Time to put North Korea out of its misery?

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

Ahh, looks like it's time for the next of the periodic dosages of xenophobia (with underlying imperialist sentiments) here on NSG.

A bit ironic that a so-called "progressive" would be pro-imperialist and anti-communist, but I suppose that's what lack of consciousness will do.

In any case, Choseon Manse! Kim Il Sung, Suryong Manse! Long live the world's one true worker's state! And death to any and all imperialist forces who dare try to enslave these heroic people to their capitalist agenda!

Fantastic. The other extreme of ignorance has reared its ugly head (just a saying, I'm sure you're beautiful).

I won't apologize for being a worker who supports workers states. I think to do otherwise would be the true ignorance.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Fantastic. The other extreme of ignorance has reared its ugly head (just a saying, I'm sure you're beautiful).

I won't apologize for being a worker who supports workers states. I think to do otherwise would be the true ignorance.

That's not the issue. The issue is that the state you support and the one that exists in reality are irreconcilably divergent. But I've been through this with you before.

[Ganos Lao]

Fantastic. The other extreme of ignorance has reared its ugly head (just a saying, I'm sure you're beautiful).

I won't apologize for being a worker who supports workers states. I think to do otherwise would be the true ignorance.

The problem is that you're already blatantly ignorant of the real world, bro.

[The Corparation]

The government says that North Korea won the World Cup and the Olympics. And get this, they also say that Kim Jong un can control the weather

Sources please~

Not sure about the Olympics thing, but iirc they've been banned from hosting world cup games since when the fans saw how much their team sucked they rioted.(need to dig up my source on this one been a while) And in the past they've banned world cup coverage unless they win.

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

I won't apologize for being a worker who supports workers states. I think to do otherwise would be the true ignorance.

The problem is that you're already blatantly ignorant of the real world, bro.

Anyone who fights imperialists and gets rid of capitalists is fine by me. ^__^

I'm just glad that the DPRK still has the courage to carry out the Revolution when few to no other nations will.

[Arumdaum]

Sources please~

Not sure about the Olympics thing, but iirc they've been banned from hosting world cup games since when the fans saw how much their team sucked they rioted.(need to dig up my source on this one been a while) And in the past they've banned world cup coverage unless they win.

Not what I was looking for. I was asking for sources of the NK government claiming that they won the World Cup. Source other than the Telegraph though?

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

I won't apologize for being a worker who supports workers states. I think to do otherwise would be the true ignorance.

That's not the issue. The issue is that the state you support and the one that exists in reality are irreconcilably divergent. But I've been through this with you before.

And I'd question strongly how you'd claim to know such a thing.

[Ganos Lao]

Why should N.Korea become a liberal and dishonorable nation like USA or any other EU nation which in fact is becoming much worse and poorer than N.Korea...

In addition have any of you people been to N.Korea? Nope, so how can you be sure it's such a hell hole?

I respect N.Korea and if Kim Jong Un, the secret pan Turkist is reading this message I urge him to try harder and build more nukes so when the times comes and they try to take you down, you will force generations yet unborn to cry out in anguish. On the contrary nobody and nobody has the guts to take you down, all people can do nowadays is criticize you on the Internet or make lies about you, but the same people wouldn't dare say such thing to the faces of North Koreas, why? Because they are dishonorable.

Because everyone needs to be like you, Tamriela, who looks butthurt because you were banned for three days for making a pitiful IC excuse to promote your OOC belief in exterminating homosexuals. But that's not the point of this thread, so I digress.

You act as if critics are so evil for merely suggesting the simplest things. I mean, why shouldn't North Korea join the civilized world and actually provide for its people? What a crazy concept that is!

It would seem to me that you defend North Korea only because you think you yourself are an outcast - hence the "nowadays is criticize you on the internet" part - on NationStates. But because you want to look serious, I shall give you a serious reply.

First of all, we don't need to be in the DPRK to know it's a hell hole. Why? Because we already do know. We have plenty of evidence to suggest that the DPRK is simply a hellhole. It's like how no one doubts Jonestown was a horrible place to be. The worst day in the West is better for you than the best day in the DPRK.

Second, you (and Dok) continue to list off the problems the West has. Why? Does this make the DPRK better off? No. The DPRK is still suffering as a result of its insane policies.

Thirdly, people have said all this to the faces of North Koreans before. Maybe if you put down this tough guy let's slaughter everyone we disagree with charade and took the time to watch the news or read a book or anything constructive, you'd understand that.

[Suidwes-Afrika]

As a progressive, I fail to understand why North Korea is still running. Lets face it, eh are the laughing stock of the world and basically live of chinas money. I'm here to discuss the possibility of overthrowing the delusional dictator Kim Jong un and his generals and how would it be possible??

Why don't North Korea open up to the world like other communist nations have done?
Why don't they unify?

Lets have a good, clean debate

Why not Zimbabwe, too, which - I might add - is in far worse shape and still a de facto Marxist regime?

[Chinese Regions]

Fantastic. The other extreme of ignorance has reared its ugly head (just a saying, I'm sure you're beautiful).

I won't apologize for being a worker who supports workers states. I think to do otherwise would be the true ignorance.

North Korea is not a worker's state.

[Czechanada]

A country should only intervene if the citizens themselves rise up.

[Arumdaum]

Ok let's compare democratic USA and Europe with North Korea

- US and EU economy going down the drain and Americans/Europeans still worried about N.Korea. I don't need to provide any link, people know for themselves how expensive life has become in the West and how growth rates are plummeting.

- Unemployment rising in the West

- Crime much higher in USA than N.Korea

- Around 30 million people in USA depend on "food stamps", what a disgrace.

- USA and EU has more dishonorable people than N.Korea swarming with honorable and enlightened people, the average American doesn't even know the alphabet and the average European is a liberal or bi sexual person part of the materialist pop culture. While north Koreans are militaristic and honorable, they cry for their leader because they have true faith and know what loyalty means, that;ls the kind of people you need.

At the end of the day the North Koreans will win because their population is sued to hardship. Let's see what the Europeans and Americans do when they are put on rations, especially liberals and materialists or people part of technocracy, cargo cult, they will perish within the first few months because they will not be able to handle the hardships of life! Only honorable and faithful people can do which USA especially EU lacks.

North Korea is also at a disadvantage because it's the entire world vs North Korea and still they prevail.

Why should N.Korea become a liberal and dishonorable nation like USA or any other EU nation which in fact is becoming much worse and poorer than N.Korea...

In addition have any of you people been to N.Korea? Nope, so how can you be sure it's such a hell hole?

I respect N.Korea and if Kim Jong Un, the secret pan Turkist is reading this message I urge him to try harder and build more nukes so when the times comes and they try to take you down, you will force generations yet unborn to cry out in anguish. On the contrary nobody and nobody has the guts to take you down, all people can do nowadays is criticize you on the Internet or make lies about you, but the same people wouldn't dare say such thing to the faces of North Koreas, why? Because they are dishonorable.

You think Kim Jong-un, a Korean, is a pan-Turkist?..

[Ganos Lao]

The problem is that you're already blatantly ignorant of the real world, bro.

Anyone who fights imperialists and gets rid of capitalists is fine by me. ^__^

I'm just glad that the DPRK still has the courage to carry out the Revolution when few to no other nations will.

You support Stalinist Russia, correct?

You implied it, essentially, when you dismissed Trotsky as a traitor.

So explain to us all how Stalin's antics were "fighting Imperialists" (especially when he carved up Eastern Europe for himself) and getting rid of capitalists.

Explain to us how men like Lavrenty Beria, when he wasn't too busy raping young women, executing countless innocents was fighting imperialists and getting rid of capitalists. Explain to us how the Katyn Massacre was a noble, revolutionary act in defense of workers' rights. Explain to us how the show trials were merely parading about enemies of the people.

Explain to us how Bukharin, Trotsky, Zinoviev, and every other Old Bolshevik, the officers in the Red Army like Tukachevsky (sp?), Yezhov and Yagoda, and countless other victims of Stalinist repression were imperialist-capitalist scum trying to destroy the Revolution. Explain to us all of this, and maybe we will join you in singing the Internationale in the 1930s bubble you seem to live in.

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

I won't apologize for being a worker who supports workers states. I think to do otherwise would be the true ignorance.

North Korea is not a worker's state.

How isn't it? And if not, what nation on earth is?

[Arumdaum]

As a progressive, I fail to understand why North Korea is still running. Lets face it, eh are the laughing stock of the world and basically live of chinas money. I'm here to discuss the possibility of overthrowing the delusional dictator Kim Jong un and his generals and how would it be possible??

Why don't North Korea open up to the world like other communist nations have done?
Why don't they unify?

Lets have a good, clean debate

Why not Zimbabwe, too, which - I might add - is in far worse shape and still a de facto Marxist regime?

Explain how it has a Marxist regime?

[Chinese Regions]

That's not the issue. The issue is that the state you support and the one that exists in reality are irreconcilably divergent. But I've been through this with you before.

And I'd question strongly how you'd claim to know such a thing.

How do you know the opposite? You've STILL haven't gotten into North Korea. Because deep down you enjoy the capitalist paradises of the USA, or China which I still doubt you reside in.

[Ganos Lao]

North Korea is not a worker's state.

How isn't it? And if not, what nation on earth is?

How is it a worker's state? You keep saying it is but you provide no evidence to suggest that, yes, it indeed is. You spout all these buzzwords with authority but they're only words. They're not evidence.

[Czechanada]

North Korea is not a worker's state.

How isn't it? And if not, what nation on earth is?

North Korea is a despotic state that uses state capitalism.

[Long Island Nation]

Let's stay the fuck out of North Korea. That's my opinion, we don't need any more wars for a while. Not in Iran or Pakistan or North Korea or Texas or any where. Any body that thinks differently seriously needs to reevaluate their priorities and perhaps their mental state.

End of discussion.

Allow me to bow down to you in your boundless widsom...

[Dokuritsu Nippon]

You said you support Stalinist Russia, correct?

So explain to us all how Stalin's antics were "fighting Imperialists" (especially when he carved up Europe for himself) and gets rid of capitalists. Explain to us how men like Lavrenty Beria, when he wasn't too busy raping young women, executing countless innocents was fighting imperialists and getting rid of capitalists. Explain to us how Bukharin, Trotsky, Zinoviev, and every other Old Bolshevik, the officers in the Red Army like Tukachevsky (sp?), and countless other victims of Stalinist repression were imperialist-capitalist scum trying to destroy the Revolution. Explain to us all of this, and maybe we will join you in singing the Internationale in the 1930s bubble you seem to live in.

I never stated I was a Stalinist per se. I disagree with him both on the theoretical matters of the bifurcation of workers into separate agricultural and proletarian "classes", as well as elements of his foreign policy - the latter being more relevent to this post.

If anything, I'm closest to the Non-Aligned Movement (ie. Tito, Kim Il Sung, etc.).

Trotsky, and his like, was a Menshevik initially, and still held positions of "gradual transition to socialism", involving, in practical terms promotion of capitalism, and/or collaboration with capitalists in a transitional form.

[Chinese Regions]

North Korea is not a worker's state.

How isn't it? And if not, what nation on earth is?

Because the workers do not control the means of production. There has never been a large scale communist nation. There are communities such as the Kibbutz in Israel and that is it.

[Saruhan]

I wonder why, if NK is such a paradise, people are trying to run though one of the most defended and mined areas in the world leave? Despite the fact that the US and Canada have the worlds longest undefended boarder, nothing of the sort happens.

[Ganos Lao]

You said you support Stalinist Russia, correct?

So explain to us all how Stalin's antics were "fighting Imperialists" (especially when he carved up Europe for himself) and gets rid of capitalists. Explain to us how men like Lavrenty Beria, when he wasn't too busy raping young women, executing countless innocents was fighting imperialists and getting rid of capitalists. Explain to us how Bukharin, Trotsky, Zinoviev, and every other Old Bolshevik, the officers in the Red Army like Tukachevsky (sp?), and countless other victims of Stalinist repression were imperialist-capitalist scum trying to destroy the Revolution. Explain to us all of this, and maybe we will join you in singing the Internationale in the 1930s bubble you seem to live in.

I never stated I was a Stalinist per se. I disagree with him both on the theoretical matters of the bifurcation of workers into separate agricultural and proletarian "classes", as well as elements of his foreign policy - the latter being more relevent to this post.

If anything, I'm closest to the Non-Aligned Movement (ie. Tito, Kim Il Sung, etc.).

Trotsky, and his like, was a Menshevik initially, and still held positions of "gradual transition to socialism", involving, in practical terms promotion of capitalism, and/or collaboration with capitalists in a transitional form.

But that doesn't absolve you of your responsibility to explain to us how Stalinist Russia was indeed a workers state. You dismissed Trotsky as a traitor.

Trotsky lived in the time of Stalinist Russia.

Hence you are advocating this belief that the USSR at the time of Stalin is something to be defended, to be idolized as a workers state.

So I ask you how anything in Stalinist Russia at the time is indicative of this. I ask you how men like Lavrenty Beria were defending the Revolution. I ask you how all the people I listed were enemies of it.

[North California]

The problem is that you're already blatantly ignorant of the real world, bro.

Anyone who fights imperialists and gets rid of capitalists is fine by me. ^__^

I'm just glad that the DPRK still has the courage to carry out the Revolution when few to no other nations will.

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[Chinese Regions]

The problem is that you're already blatantly ignorant of the real world, bro.

Anyone who fights imperialists and gets rid of capitalists is fine by me. ^__^

I'm just glad that the DPRK still has the courage to carry out the Revolution when few to no other nations will.

The DPRK is anything but revolutionary, it's reminiscent of empires like imperial china with a monarch of god-status ruling.