Time to put North Korea out of its misery?

[The Imperial Terran Republic]

I believe that North Korea is on its own path to destruction so I do not believe an invasion is necessary I believe that it will eventually merge with South Korea because its only real ally is China and they don't really even like them that much.

Isn't a unification with China more likely than SK, considering their current relations?

I guess that could be more likely.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Isn't a unification with China more likely than SK, considering their current relations?

I guess that could be more likely.

What? No. There is precisely zero chance of that ever happening.

[Chinamerica]

The first step to bringing down that miserable regime is for countries like America to stop giving them the aid that keeps the Kims in power. They'll be forced to listen to America to get their precious moneys back. Once this happens, Mister Kim will have to give his people more freedoms.

Yes, let's starve millions of people to death because that will overthrow the regime.

Also, North Korea gets food aid, not money aid.

This may seem cruel, but yes. Things like this have certainly worked before. Add a good dose of 'shooting South Korean propaganda pamphlets into North Korean cities', and this will hopefully create unrest with the people.

Actually, there's been a huge famine before in the 90s but do to songun that did not culminate in revolution. Maybe if we encourage China to stay out of the Korea situation (good luck with that) then thatll be a good step forward as well.

[Soviet Russia Republic]

umm...Putin took a very weak Russia and pretty much rose it up from the ashes. Now is he as democratic or as liberal as I wish him to be no. But he was very good for Russia in his first two terms as president. I'm still waiting for his third to show some good but we'll see what happens.

Don't lie. Anyone could've raised Russia up if they'd turned it into the oil-financed State-Mafia that Putin turned it into.

You'd have to be pretty ignorant about the 90's situation and changes after in general. The stupid use of "mafia" state is often used for Russia after Putin's policy on some sites. If there was ever a time to use "Mafia-State" in the short history of the Russia Federation, it would be under the terrible years of the drunk.

[Wind in the Willows]

The North Korean regime will eventually collapse on its own.

[Chinese Regions]

I believe that North Korea is on its own path to destruction so I do not believe an invasion is necessary I believe that it will eventually merge with South Korea because its only real ally is China and they don't really even like them that much.

Isn't a unification with China more likely than SK, considering their current relations?

Not at all. North Korea isn't that much of an ally any more.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Yes, let's starve millions of people to death because that will overthrow the regime.

Also, North Korea gets food aid, not money aid.

This may seem cruel, but yes. Things like this have certainly worked before. Add a good dose of 'shooting South Korean propaganda pamphlets into North Korean cities', and this will hopefully create unrest with the people.

Actually, there's been a huge famine before in the 90s but do to songun that did not culminate in revolution. Maybe if we encourage China to stay out of the Korea situation (good luck with that) then thatll be a good step forward as well.

I'd think it would be more productive to support domestic reforms, rather than incite unrest.

[Chinese Regions]

Let's try marrying royal European blood into the Kim dynasty.

[Benutanairan]

Don't lie. Anyone could've raised Russia up if they'd turned it into the oil-financed State-Mafia that Putin turned it into.

You'd have to be pretty ignorant about the 90's situation and changes after in general. The stupid use of "mafia" state is often used for Russia after Putin's policy on some sites. If there was ever a time to use "Mafia-State" in the short history of the Russia Federation, it would be under the terrible years of the drunk.

Ironically their a russian sect that praises putin as the savior of Russia. They even have a church after him Lol!

[Soviet Russia Republic]

You'd have to be pretty ignorant about the 90's situation and changes after in general. The stupid use of "mafia" state is often used for Russia after Putin's policy on some sites. If there was ever a time to use "Mafia-State" in the short history of the Russia Federation, it would be under the terrible years of the drunk.

Ironically their a russian sect that praises putin as the savior of Russia. They even have a church after him Lol!

Yes? There are hundreds of small ridiculous Churches everywhere in the world. Let me know when if it joins the big ridiculous religions. At least he's real though.

[Soviet Russia Republic]

I believe that North Korea is on its own path to destruction so I do not believe an invasion is necessary I believe that it will eventually merge with South Korea because its only real ally is China and they don't really even like them that much.

Isn't a unification with China more likely than SK, considering their current relations?

I don't really think the PRC would want to unite with them much either or it making much sense. It's happy with it as a buffer state, though an annoying one at times.

[Chinamerica]

This may seem cruel, but yes. Things like this have certainly worked before. Add a good dose of 'shooting South Korean propaganda pamphlets into North Korean cities', and this will hopefully create unrest with the people.

Actually, there's been a huge famine before in the 90s but do to songun that did not culminate in revolution. Maybe if we encourage China to stay out of the Korea situation (good luck with that) then thatll be a good step forward as well.

I'd think it would be more productive to support domestic reforms, rather than incite unrest.

Yeah, good point actually.

[Greater New York]

I'm not defending North Korea here, but I consider myself well read on the topic.

North Korea cannot simply be put "Out of its misery", for a number of reasons. Number one, to do it militarily, we risk putting millions of South Korean civilian lives at risk. North Korea has despite having a massive million-man army that is on the brink of starvation, has thousands of artillery pieces staring across the DMZ at Seoul, a city with 10 million. If any war does break out, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people will be at risk in the first hours or even days. On top of that, you have a population of at least 10 million to 15 million people who are truly loyal to the regime (According to Bradly K. Martin, who is arguably the best expert on the topic, and wrote articles and books on North Korea, "1/3rd of North Koreans oppose the regime, 1/3rd fully are loyal, and 1/3rd fall in between"), so any invasion will make Iraq and Afghanistan look like a cakewalk compared to what North Korea would turn into.

On top of that, China wouldn't want any invasion to occur. They do not want a major Democratic power right on their doorstep, and their vote in the UN Security Council can easily veto any invasion. The only way to get China behind the UN and US in intervening would be if the North attacked the South directly, which arguably will not happen anytime soon.

The second point is that Kim Jong-un has only been in power for 9 months. Kim Jong-un cannot simply flip a switch and start economic reforms, he still have elements in the country still loyal to his father who would oppose it like the military (Who could easily pick another Kim to take over if they got pissed off enough). Kim Jong-un, if he does want economic reform, has to do it slowly. His Aunt and Uncle, who he is ruling in an unofficial triumvirate with, both likely opposed Kim's change from Songun (Military First) to a budget controlled directly by the party and government, a major change from his father's policies. What the OP indicates is that North Korea will not change at the flip of a switch. If we do see change, it will be gradual change that we will see in the coming years.

The third point is the economic costs of unification. If, lets say, war broke out, the North were defeated, and unification occurred. You would see a refugee crisis unprecedented in history. North Koreans are untrained in any major skill sets, and would likely take away lower level production jobs from South Koreans. Not only that, but some observers estimate that it would cost $1 Trillion Dollars, something that many South Koreans are unwilling to pay. On top of that, I recall seeing recently that younger Koreans don't want to see reunification because of its cost, and the differences between the Koreas. After 60 years of separation, we are already seeing signs of lingual change and even physical changes. North Koreans are shorter than their counterparts, and their language is starting to change more as well. And don't use East Germany as an example, at least the east in that situation was at lease somewhat economically developed, and even then, it caused Germany some trouble for a few years as well.

[Benutanairan]

I'm not defending North Korea here, but I consider myself well read on the topic.

North Korea cannot simply be put "Out of its misery", for a number of reasons. Number one, to do it militarily, we risk putting millions of South Korean civilian lives at risk. North Korea has despite having a massive million-man army that is on the brink of starvation, has thousands of artillery pieces staring across the DMZ at Seoul, a city with 10 million. If any war does break out, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people will be at risk in the first hours or even days. On top of that, you have a population of at least 10 million to 15 million people who are truly loyal to the regime (According to Bradly K. Martin, who is arguably the best expert on the topic, and wrote articles and books on North Korea, "1/3rd of North Koreans oppose the regime, 1/3rd fully are loyal, and 1/3rd fall in between"), so any invasion will make Iraq and Afghanistan look like a cakewalk compared to what North Korea would turn into.

On top of that, China wouldn't want any invasion to occur. They do not want a major Democratic power right on their doorstep, and their vote in the UN Security Council can easily veto any invasion. The only way to get China behind the UN and US in intervening would be if the North attacked the South directly, which arguably will not happen anytime soon.

The second point is that Kim Jong-un has only been in power for 9 months. Kim Jong-un cannot simply flip a switch and start economic reforms, he still have elements in the country still loyal to his father who would oppose it like the military (Who could easily pick another Kim to take over if they got pissed off enough). Kim Jong-un, if he does want economic reform, has to do it slowly. His Aunt and Uncle, who he is ruling in an unofficial triumvirate with, both likely opposed Kim's change from Songun (Military First) to a budget controlled directly by the party and government, a major change from his father's policies. What the OP indicates is that North Korea will not change at the flip of a switch. If we do see change, it will be gradual change that we will see in the coming years.

The third point is the economic costs of unification. If, lets say, war broke out, the North were defeated, and unification occurred. You would see a refugee crisis unprecedented in history. North Koreans are untrained in any major skill sets, and would likely take away lower level production jobs from South Koreans. Not only that, but some observers estimate that it would cost $1 Trillion Dollars, something that many South Koreans are unwilling to pay. On top of that, I recall seeing recently that younger Koreans don't want to see reunification because of its cost, and the differences between the Koreas. After 60 years of separation, we are already seeing signs of lingual change and even physical changes. North Koreans are shorter than their counterparts, and their language is starting to change more as well. And don't use East Germany as an example, at least the east in that situation was at lease somewhat economically developed, and even then, it caused Germany some trouble for a few years as well.

What would you propose doing then?
ignore them.

[Greater New York]

What would you propose doing then?
ignore them.

I don't propose anything serious at the moment. What I propose is to allow North Korea to follow its present path and wait to see what happens. For the most part since May, North Korea has largely been quiet (I don't consider screaming threats to be anything serious). If North Korea goes on the path of economic reform in the next few years, I would fully support them, but I doubt beyond any propaganda they don't actually want unification.

[Imperial--japan]

Time to put North Korea down? Yes. Are we going to do it without them making the first aggressive move? No.

[Risottia]

We must put the country out! China is providing money to North Korea and the North Korean goverment has been using that money on Drugs,smuggling,and weapons.

Sauce.

There is a place called Room 39 in North Korea which they decided what to use the money on.

There is a place called the White House in America "which" they "decided what to use the money on".

They might be using the money to make a Biological weapon and China is covering them.

They already claim they have nukes. They don't need no stinking cover.

I heard about a prophecy that a woman had a talent or certain knowledge to read the future she predicted WW2 and many other wars and finally she predicted that in 2017 there was going to be a nukeulcer war between North Korea and South Korea then China is going to back up North Korea.

Less bullshit. Please.

Countries around the war like Japan,Thailand,Russia

THIS JUST IN: now Thailand borders Korea. PR China has suddenly disappeared into nothingness.

and other countries in the world will feel threatened. South Korea and those countries near the war will call the USA for help. Seeing this the USA will get involved then other allies of the US will help. Which could mean this could be another World War .
So help me everyone convince the US goverment to look more into North Korea.

Considering that your level of ramblingness is way above the allowed levels, I doubt you'd make a good policy-maker.
Maybe you could apply at Faux News, though.

[Risottia]

arghhh western logic!

Quoth the half-Hungarian.

[Quebec and Atlantic Canada]

Really? Tokyoni hasn't come in here and started ranting about imperialist America and how great the DPRK is? Really?

I'm amazed.

[Long Island Nation]

In a world where millions live under abject communist tyranny and suffer famine after famine...it's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and the west is all out of bubblegum.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

In a world where millions live under abject communist tyranny and suffer famine after famine...it's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and the west is all out of bubblegum.

It isn't communist tyranny. It's tyranny, but not communist.

[Divair]

In a world where millions live under abject communist tyranny and suffer famine after famine...it's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and the west is all out of bubblegum.

Relevant to NK.. how?

[Laerod]

In a world where millions live under abject communist tyranny and suffer famine after famine...it's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and the west is all out of bubblegum.

More like to deliver corny stock phrases and chew bubblegum.

[Divair]

In a world where millions live under abject communist tyranny and suffer famine after famine...it's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and the west is all out of bubblegum.

It isn't communist tyranny. It's tyranny, but not communist.

Juche tyranny.

[Long Island Nation]

In a world where millions live under abject communist tyranny and suffer famine after famine...it's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and the west is all out of bubblegum.

It isn't communist tyranny. It's tyranny, but not communist.

What is it then?

In a world where millions live under abject communist tyranny and suffer famine after famine...it's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and the west is all out of bubblegum.

Relevant to NK.. how?

I think it's time the massive western world stops standing by idly while some despot tortures millions.