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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:55 am

Tamriela wrote:1) It's unnatural - The Aids virus is more aggressive and dominant in homosexuals cases than heterosexual.


:eyebrow: Really? Prove it.

2) The idea that it;s cool to be gay, people choose to be gay because there is no such thing as a "gay gene" which also proves that it's artificial. Cannibalism or torturing your own body is possible and these stuff like homosexuality are unnatural.


The absence of proof for a gay gene does not equate to proof of absence of a gay gene.

3) homosexuality is also related to the party pop culture which is corrupt and degenerate.


Heterosexuality is related to all kinds of bad regimes and cultures, so let's ban that. /craplogic

4) Toleration of homosexuality encourages homosexuality, the more people accept it, the more popular homosexuality will be and generations yet unborn, when born will become more homosexual...Like I previously said, homosexuality is determined by the environment you grown up in!


Saying it doesn't prove it.
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Postby Raeyh » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:56 am

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You sound like a drug addict. Someone who believes he is unable to achieve happiness except through unhealthy activity of choice.

Besides, if it is the greatest source of enjoyment in existence, it is also the greatest source of agony in existence, too. Even just with homosexuals, look at all these people who now find themselves separated from the rest of society. It would be better if they never felt sexual desire at all.

Sex is unhealthy now? Condoms, people.

That is why you should endeavour to find a stable relationship. Utility*probability functions get a much better result than self-castration (which also hurts, I'm guessing).


Condoms aren't foolproof.

And castration doesn't remove sexual desire, to my knowledge. If there is a way we haven't discovered it yet. Even the effectiveness of chemical castration has been brought into question.

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Postby Veceria » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:57 am

Tamriela wrote:1) It's unnatural - The Aids virus is more aggressive and dominant in homosexuals cases than heterosexual.

2) The idea that it;s cool to be gay, people choose to be gay because there is no such thing as a "gay gene" which also proves that it's artificial. Cannibalism or torturing your own body is possible and these stuff like homosexuality are unnatural.

3) homosexuality is also related to the party pop culture which is corrupt and degenerate.

4) Toleration of homosexuality encourages homosexuality, the more people accept it, the more popular gayism will be and generations yet unborn, when born will become more homosexual...Like I previously said, homosexuality is determined by the environment you grown up in!

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:57 am

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God, those must have been happier days.

But there wasn't as much shit to make fun of.


...Never mind, there was Descartes and Pascal.

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Postby Divair » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:57 am

Veceria wrote:
Tamriela wrote:1) It's unnatural - The Aids virus is more aggressive and dominant in homosexuals cases than heterosexual.

2) The idea that it;s cool to be gay, people choose to be gay because there is no such thing as a "gay gene" which also proves that it's artificial. Cannibalism or torturing your own body is possible and these stuff like homosexuality are unnatural.

3) homosexuality is also related to the party pop culture which is corrupt and degenerate.

4) Toleration of homosexuality encourages homosexuality, the more people accept it, the more popular gayism will be and generations yet unborn, when born will become more homosexual...Like I previously said, homosexuality is determined by the environment you grown up in!

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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:58 am

Raeyh wrote:Condoms aren't foolproof.

You're putting it on the wrong head.
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Postby Zottistan » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:58 am

Raeyh wrote:
Jormengand wrote:And why would that be a good thing? Taking away what has been described as the greatest enjoyment in existence? Surely, the logical thing to do is maximise enjoyment?


You sound like a drug addict. Someone who believes he is unable to achieve happiness except through unhealthy activity of choice.

Besides, if it is the greatest source of enjoyment in existence, it is also the greatest source of agony in existence, too. Even just with homosexuals, look at all these people who now find themselves separated from the rest of society. It would be better if they never felt sexual desire at all.

In your opinion. I'm sure that's subjective. Different things make different people happy. Some people play music, some people paint, some people fuck. If something makes somebody happy, and its positives outweigh its negatives (which it must, if people with any grasp of logic were to do it, which they do), there's absolutely no reason why people shouldn't do it. Maybe they prefer to be sexually active than to be close to the rest of society. Maybe they're not big fans of the rest of society. Happiness is a subjective term, and the means to achieve happiness are unique to each individual.
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Postby Jormengand » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:58 am

Raeyh wrote:
Jormengand wrote:Sex is unhealthy now? Condoms, people.

That is why you should endeavour to find a stable relationship. Utility*probability functions get a much better result than self-castration (which also hurts, I'm guessing).


Condoms aren't foolproof.

And castration doesn't remove sexual desire, to my knowledge. If there is a way we haven't discovered it yet. Even the effectiveness of chemical castration has been brought into question.

And I'm not a fool. Your point?

Replacing "self-castration (which also hurts, I'm guessing)" To "Blocking out sexual feelings (which hurts a lot emotionally)" preserves my point.
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Postby Jormengand » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:59 am

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They always come back.

They never give sources. Ah, how fun.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:59 am

Farnhamia wrote:Pascal I never cared for, but dear René Descartes was a lovely man. I knew him when he lived in the Netherlands in the 1630s and 1640s. We used to talk about all sorts of things. I would tell him stories of the Ancient World and he would try to explain mathematics to me. I begged him not to go to Stockholm to teach Christina but he didn't listen. Tsk.

Personally, I thought he was an asshole. He kept gaining followers that would torture animals to prove they couldn't feel pain. Once I confronted him about it, and he just said, "Oh no, that's just the natural reaction of a machine."
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Postby Raeyh » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:01 am

Jormengand wrote:
Replacing "self-castration (which also hurts, I'm guessing)" To "Blocking out sexual feelings (which hurts a lot emotionally)" preserves my point.


Unless you have access to sex, you are going to have to do that just to function in society. Which means that the removal of sexual desire is a good thing, because it prevents people from being sexually repressed, no? By your own metric, that is.

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Postby Tamriela » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:01 am

Really? Prove it.


Here is a source, now don't report me for spamming

Why is AIDS so common in homosexuals?

The anus/rectum is very susceptible to cuts and tears while conducting anal sex. This means there is a greater chance for infected body fluids to enter the blood stream. Sexuality has no direct influence in the prevalence of HIV/AIDS, it is the practices concerned with the sexuality.

The main factors in why HIV transmission is higher in the MSM category are the following:

Promiscuity - particularly, how many sexual partners one has had and the use of condoms (or lack therefor) in sexual transactions. It has been established that the average homosexual male has considerably more partners than the average heterosexual male in their lifetime, often in high risk locales such as bathhouses, sex clubs, and public places such as parks and bathrooms.

Gender - Male homosexuals are the group most at-risk for HIV and other STIs. This is largely due to the high prevalence of the virus in semen as opposed to vaginal fluids, and the type of sexual activity associated with this group, e.g. anal sex.

The use of illegal drugs, such as methamphetamine, which lower inhibitions and impair judgment - and weaken the immune system - appears to be considerably higher in the MSM community than the heterosexual and lesbian groups.

The existence of a minority within the gay community that willingly seeks infection with HIV and other STDs. Often referred to as "bug chasers", these men communicate on message boards and dating sites specifically oriented around voluntary infection with STIs for erotic and other reasons. Such a phenomenon does not appear to exist in the heterosexual community.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_AIDS_s ... omosexuals

There's your evidence and my summary based on the evidence is, homosexuality is unnatural therefore vulnerable to more diseases, etc

Cannibalism like homosexuality is also possible, but we all know how unnatural it is.

Heterosexuality is related to all kinds of bad regimes and cultures, so let's ban that. /craplogic


A lot of people are bi-sexual and they all go partying. People do disgusting things when their drunk.
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Postby Jormengand » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:02 am

Tamriela wrote:-snip-

Link to a real scientific study?
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:02 am

Tamriela wrote:
Really? Prove it.


Here is a source, now don't report me for spamming

Why is AIDS so common in homosexuals?

The anus/rectum is very susceptible to cuts and tears while conducting anal sex. This means there is a greater chance for infected body fluids to enter the blood stream. Sexuality has no direct influence in the prevalence of HIV/AIDS, it is the practices concerned with the sexuality.

The main factors in why HIV transmission is higher in the MSM category are the following:

Promiscuity - particularly, how many sexual partners one has had and the use of condoms (or lack therefor) in sexual transactions. It has been established that the average homosexual male has considerably more partners than the average heterosexual male in their lifetime, often in high risk locales such as bathhouses, sex clubs, and public places such as parks and bathrooms.

Gender - Male homosexuals are the group most at-risk for HIV and other STIs. This is largely due to the high prevalence of the virus in semen as opposed to vaginal fluids, and the type of sexual activity associated with this group, e.g. anal sex.

The use of illegal drugs, such as methamphetamine, which lower inhibitions and impair judgment - and weaken the immune system - appears to be considerably higher in the MSM community than the heterosexual and lesbian groups.

The existence of a minority within the gay community that willingly seeks infection with HIV and other STDs. Often referred to as "bug chasers", these men communicate on message boards and dating sites specifically oriented around voluntary infection with STIs for erotic and other reasons. Such a phenomenon does not appear to exist in the heterosexual community.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_AIDS_s ... omosexuals

There's your evidence and my summary based on the evidence is, homosexuality is unnatural therefore vulnerable to more diseases, etc

Cannibalism like homosexuality is also possible, but we all know how unnatural is it.

Heterosexuality is related to all kinds of bad regimes and cultures, so let's ban that. /craplogic


A lot of people are bi-sexual and they all go partying. People do disgusting things when their drunk.


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Postby Divair » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:03 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Tamriela wrote:
Here is a source, now don't report me for spamming

Why is AIDS so common in homosexuals?

The anus/rectum is very susceptible to cuts and tears while conducting anal sex. This means there is a greater chance for infected body fluids to enter the blood stream. Sexuality has no direct influence in the prevalence of HIV/AIDS, it is the practices concerned with the sexuality.

The main factors in why HIV transmission is higher in the MSM category are the following:

Promiscuity - particularly, how many sexual partners one has had and the use of condoms (or lack therefor) in sexual transactions. It has been established that the average homosexual male has considerably more partners than the average heterosexual male in their lifetime, often in high risk locales such as bathhouses, sex clubs, and public places such as parks and bathrooms.

Gender - Male homosexuals are the group most at-risk for HIV and other STIs. This is largely due to the high prevalence of the virus in semen as opposed to vaginal fluids, and the type of sexual activity associated with this group, e.g. anal sex.

The use of illegal drugs, such as methamphetamine, which lower inhibitions and impair judgment - and weaken the immune system - appears to be considerably higher in the MSM community than the heterosexual and lesbian groups.

The existence of a minority within the gay community that willingly seeks infection with HIV and other STDs. Often referred to as "bug chasers", these men communicate on message boards and dating sites specifically oriented around voluntary infection with STIs for erotic and other reasons. Such a phenomenon does not appear to exist in the heterosexual community.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_AIDS_s ... omosexuals

There's your evidence and my summary based on the evidence is, homosexuality is unnatural therefore vulnerable to more diseases, etc

Cannibalism like homosexuality is also possible, but we all know how unnatural is it.



A lot of people are bi-sexual and they all go partying. People do disgusting things when their drunk.


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Postby Enadail » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:04 am

Tamriela wrote:1) It's unnatural - The Aids virus is more aggressive and dominant in homosexual cases than heterosexual for a reason.


If it was unnatural, a natural virus like HIV would have no affect on it . Given your two statements have nothing to do with each other, lets go with the second: its in higher prevalence, yes, though not aggressiveness, largely because homosexuals have had to keep quite about themselves and their lives, and so haven't had as much access to medical care. If AIDS is more prevalent among homosexuals, its because homophobes have a hand in it.

Tamriela wrote:2) The idea that it's cool to be gay, people choose to be gay because there is no such thing as a "gay gene" which also proves that it's artificial. Cannibalism or torturing your own body is possible and these stuff like homosexuality are unnatural.


Again, two COMPLETELY unrelated ideas mingling together. First, where in the world is it cool to be gay? Public ostracization is cool now? Yes, there is no gay gene best as we know, but that doesn't make it artificial. Your argument makes no sense.

Tamriela wrote:3) homosexuality is also related and encourages the party pop culture which is corrupt and degenerate.


Huh? So... things you don't like are corrupt and degenerate? Do you know what those two words mean?

Tamriela wrote:4) Toleration of homosexuality encourages homosexuality, the more people accept it, the more popular gayism will become and generations yet unborn, when born will become more homosexual...Like I previously said, homosexuality is determined by the environment you grown up in!


I thought you said it was a choice? Now its determined by environment? Can't make up your mind?

Regardless, that's like saying tolerance of gender rights encourages gender rights, so we should ban gender rights! Or tolerance of other cultures and races encourages other cultures and races, so ban all other cultures and races!

Your arguments are stupid.
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Postby Avenio » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:04 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote: :eyebrow: Really? Prove it.


He can't. Viruses are the ultimate equal-opportunity pathogens. Though, amusingly enough, his saying that homosexuality is a choice and is not in any way biological torpodoes any validity the idea that HIV is somehow more virulent or deadly in homosexuals, because, by his own argument, homosexuals are immunogenetically-identical to heterosexuals.

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Divair wrote:
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When did we become 4chan?

Since Jesus descended from Heaven and declared, "HENCEFORTH, THIS SHALL BE 4CHAN!"
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:05 am

Tamriela wrote:
Really? Prove it.

<snip>


Let's quote your source:

"Sexuality has no direct influence in the prevalence of HIV/AIDS, it is the practices concerned with the sexuality."

In short, homosexuality is not the problem, it is the practices of some gay men. It is not homosexuality that is wrong, it is some people's sexual hygiene.

Heterosexuality is related to all kinds of bad regimes and cultures, so let's ban that. /craplogic


A lot of people are bi-sexual and they all go partying. People do disgusting things when their drunk.


Essentially, "People do disgusting things when they're drunk, so gays are bad."

Your logic is awful.
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Postby Tamriela » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:05 am

True love should have nothing to do with sex, you tell me, as well all know the real purpose of a man mating with a woman is to produce a baby to carry on the family name, unless it's for pleasure which corrupts love.

So what's the purpose of a man sleeping with a man?

It's just disgusting and inhumane, simple as that, if liberals can tolerate homosexuals I think it's time fascists like me started tolerating cannibals because according to a liberal it's their "choice" and "hobby" of eating dead humans.

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Postby Jormengand » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:05 am

Avenio wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote: :eyebrow: Really? Prove it.


He can't. Viruses are the ultimate equal-opportunity pathogens. Though, amusingly enough, his saying that homosexuality is a choice and is not in any way biological torpodoes any validity the idea that HIV is somehow more virulent or deadly in homosexuals, because, by his own argument, homosexuals are immunogenetically-identical to heterosexuals.

Actually, from the source he gave, no. The fact the source he gave is BS...
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Divair wrote:
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We haven't yet. Because he forgot to color it green. We also have a PG13 rule on here :P
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Postby Avenio » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:05 am

Jormengand wrote:
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He can't. Viruses are the ultimate equal-opportunity pathogens. Though, amusingly enough, his saying that homosexuality is a choice and is not in any way biological torpodoes any validity the idea that HIV is somehow more virulent or deadly in homosexuals, because, by his own argument, homosexuals are immunogenetically-identical to heterosexuals.

Actually, from the source he gave, no. The fact the source he gave is BS...


Blargh. Didn't see that before I posted.

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Postby Jormengand » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:06 am

Tamriela wrote:True love should have nothing to do with sex, you tell me, as well all know the real purpose of a man mating with a woman is to produce a baby to carry on the family name, unless it's for pleasure which corrupts love.

So what's the purpose of a man sleeping with a man?

It's just disgusting and inhumane, simple as that, if liberals can tolerate homosexuals I think it's time fascists like me started tolerating cannibals because according to a liberal it's their "choice" and "hobby" of eating dead humans.

RESEARCH! THE! GAY! UNCLE! THEORY!

Also, have you not heard of "the right to swing my fist ends where yor nose begins?"
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:06 am

Tamriela wrote:True love should have nothing to do with sex, you tell me, as well all know the real purpose of a man mating with a woman is to produce a baby to carry on the family name, unless it's for pleasure which corrupts love.

That's never been the real purpose.
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