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Postby Jormengand » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:29 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Jormengand wrote:Only it's not a disorder either.

I'm trying to go by a pace where he can keep up.

Hmm. Yeah, but maybe you should tell him that it's not a defect OR a disorder.
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Postby Veceria » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:29 am

Dominion of Nova Scotia wrote:
Veceria wrote:Show me the laws stating that. Why should they, anyways?


Because same-sex couples want to get married and want to have children?

I meant back then. Marriage laws were different, i.e.
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Postby Dominion of Nova Scotia » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:30 am

Objectiveland wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Why is your name "objectiveland" when you make posts like this, that are subjective?


Using science. Many studies strongly indicate that homosexuality is biological rather than a lifestyle choice. Scientents are working on identifing the cause and where science leads, technology follows. Hopefully this will lead to cures possibly in utero. A good place for you to start reading is http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/gay-br ... th-defect/


Except it's not just genetics that determines one's sexual orientation. For instance, the American Psychological Association says:

There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:30 am

Jormengand wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I'm trying to go by a pace where he can keep up.

Hmm. Yeah, but maybe you should tell him that it's not a defect OR a disorder.

I was going to mention it after the inevitable, "FINE, ITS A DISORDER!"
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Postby Dominion of Nova Scotia » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:30 am

Veceria wrote:
Dominion of Nova Scotia wrote:
Because same-sex couples want to get married and want to have children?

I meant back then. Marriage laws were different, i.e.


Never mind :P
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:32 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Bah, I'll have my own lesbian sex. With blackjack. And hookers!

I didn't say you couldn't watch.

You didn't say it, but somehow I suspect it's none the less true :P

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Postby Jormengand » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:32 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Jormengand wrote:Hmm. Yeah, but maybe you should tell him that it's not a defect OR a disorder.

I was going to mention it after the inevitable, "FINE, ITS A DISORDER!"

*Shrugs.* Maybe on NSG we should stop trying to change people's mind, and debate the best way of changing people's mind instead?
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Postby Scholencia » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:32 am

Divair wrote:There are no gay pride parades in Saudi Arabia. Obviously they're treated equally there, right?

Well, according to some people on this forum homosexual hadnt been discriminated in the past and yet they didnt demand equal right as the heteros. So, the one conclusion is that they considered homo marriages as immoral or homosexuals didnt exist in some sociteies like the Mayas or Inchas.

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Postby Enadail » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:32 am

Scholencia wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Perhaps they didn't need to do so, as they weren't denied any rights based on their sexual orientation.

So, do you agree that homosexuals in the past followed the mainstream believes of the societies and considered gay marriages as immoral?


Sometimes yes, sometimes no. 2000 years ago, homosexuality was widely know, and accepted. Homosexual pairings were common in ancient Rome and Greece, among other nations. So your argument falls flat on its face. Homosexuality only became such an issue on the west after the rise of Christianity, and only a major issue in the last few hundred years.

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Farnhamia wrote: the big deal? Are homosexuals bothering you? I doubt you're old enough to be married but on the off-chance you are, does the thought of homosexual marriage somehow make your own marriage feel dirty? Or do you just parrot what some guy on the radio or some other guy in a pulpit tells you?

Ad homines attacks are really unpollite, if you cannot have a properly debate please ignore me.


Your lack of responding to arguments is also very impolite... your improper use of grammar and spelling is as well. But no ones telling you to go away. Also, that's not an ad hominum attack.

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Postby Ammar » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:32 am

Jormengand wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I was going to mention it after the inevitable, "FINE, ITS A DISORDER!"

*Shrugs.* Maybe on NSG we should stop trying to change people's mind, and debate the best way of changing people's mind instead?

Good luck with that. :p
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Postby AntiSwagLand » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:33 am

Just a thought, so being gay is said to be a sin, so how do all those priests get away with molesting little boys?

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Postby Veceria » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:33 am

Jormengand wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I was going to mention it after the inevitable, "FINE, ITS A DISORDER!"

*Shrugs.* Maybe on NSG we should stop trying to change people's mind, and debate the best way of changing people's mind instead?

Brainwashing by torture. Mehehehehe.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:33 am

Farnhamia wrote:Because lesbians are hawt. And no, you can't watch.


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Postby Raeyh » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:33 am

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If it were possible, it would be the best option.

No.


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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:33 am

Jormengand wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I was going to mention it after the inevitable, "FINE, ITS A DISORDER!"

*Shrugs.* Maybe on NSG we should stop trying to change people's mind, and debate the best way of changing people's mind instead?

Destroy their testicals, causing them to not be able to reproduce, then proceed to take away rights simply because they can't reproduce?
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Postby Ammar » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:34 am

AntiSwagLand wrote:Just a thought, so being gay is said to be a sin, so how do all those priests get away with molesting little boys?

The pope protects them.For some reason he gets diplomatic immunity.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:34 am

Objectiveland wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Why is your name "objectiveland" when you make posts like this, that are subjective?


Using science. Many studies strongly indicate that homosexuality is biological rather than a lifestyle choice. Scientents are working on identifing the cause and where science leads, technology follows. Hopefully this will lead to cures possibly in utero. A good place for you to start reading is http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/gay-br ... th-defect/

Eye colour is also biological. Are people with green eyes defective?

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Postby Divair » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:34 am

Scholencia wrote:
Divair wrote:There are no gay pride parades in Saudi Arabia. Obviously they're treated equally there, right?

Well, according to some people on this forum homosexual hadnt been discriminated in the past and yet they didnt demand equal right as the heteros. So, the one conclusion is that they considered homo marriages as immoral or homosexuals didnt exist in some sociteies like the Mayas or Inchas.

It's like you didn't even read my question and just repeated the same bullshit everyone else has refuted.


There are no gay prides in Saudi Arabia. By your logic, either they:

A. Don't exist.
B. Are treated equally.

Make up your mind.

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Postby Veceria » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:34 am

AntiSwagLand wrote:Just a thought, so being gay is said to be a sin, so how do all those priests get away with molesting little boys?

This deserves a well-placed 'Dun-dun-duuuun'.
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Postby Divair » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:34 am

Raeyh wrote:
Divair wrote:No.


You have nothing to lose but an inexplicable desire to hump people.

I repeat:
No.

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Postby Jormengand » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:34 am

Veceria wrote:
Jormengand wrote:*Shrugs.* Maybe on NSG we should stop trying to change people's mind, and debate the best way of changing people's mind instead?

Brainwashing by torture. Mehehehehe.

No, because I believe in the right-to-swing-fist-ends-where-nose-begins philosophy.

AntiSwagLand wrote:Just a thought, so being gay is said to be a sin, so how do all those priests get away with molesting little boys?

Because the pope protected them.
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Postby Dominion of Nova Scotia » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:35 am

Scholencia wrote:
Divair wrote:There are no gay pride parades in Saudi Arabia. Obviously they're treated equally there, right?

Well, according to some people on this forum homosexual hadnt been discriminated in the past and yet they didnt demand equal right as the heteros. So, the one conclusion is that they considered homo marriages as immoral or homosexuals didnt exist in some sociteies like the Mayas or Inchas.


Wait, what?
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Postby Jormengand » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:35 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Jormengand wrote:*Shrugs.* Maybe on NSG we should stop trying to change people's mind, and debate the best way of changing people's mind instead?

Destroy their testicals, causing them to not be able to reproduce, then proceed to take away rights simply because they can't reproduce?

Excellent. Why did we not think of this one before?
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Postby Veceria » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:35 am

Jormengand wrote:
Veceria wrote:Brainwashing by torture. Mehehehehe.

No, because I believe in the right-to-swing-fist-ends-where-nose-begins philosophy.

Meh ... you're boring ... :P
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:35 am

Scholencia wrote:
Divair wrote:There are no gay pride parades in Saudi Arabia. Obviously they're treated equally there, right?

Well, according to some people on this forum homosexual hadnt been discriminated in the past and yet they didnt demand equal right as the heteros. So, the one conclusion is that they considered homo marriages as immoral or homosexuals didnt exist in some sociteies like the Mayas or Inchas.

What does that matter, though? All those people are long dead.

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