Why is homosexuality wrong?

[Samuraikoku]

Editing people's punctuation is generally a sign that you're losing the argument, and have no real answer to what they're saying.

Not that I'm saying that's the case, but you're not doing yourself any favours.

My answer was given moments ago. His views are not objective.

[Mavorpen]

I would love that.

I object to the usage of the whip.

Really? Because...

I would love that.

[Samuraikoku]

I object to the usage of the whip.

Really? Because...

I would love that.

You would if you're the one wielding it.

[Objectiveland]

In other words, ANY decision to make a choice that allows you to engage in dominating sex with a female is moral. Even worse, she essentially says that to deny the choice of a male to rape a female, it's immoral. Putting words in Ayn Rand's mouth, are we?

Don't argue a strawman. Ayn Rand, while not arguing an objective point of view, was saying that no one should deny them the expression of romantic love. Rape is not that for both parties.

they just wanted to chase rabbits. just like with quotes. just like with punctuation.

[Mavorpen]

In other words, ANY decision to make a choice that allows you to engage in dominating sex with a female is moral. Even worse, she essentially says that to deny the choice of a male to rape a female, it's immoral. Putting words in Ayn Rand's mouth, are we?

Don't argue a strawman. Ayn Rand, while not arguing an objective point of view, was saying that no one should deny them the expression of romantic love. Rape is not that for both parties.

I'm not arguing a strawman. I'm drawing conclusions from the quote provided. If he wants to revise his statements by providing another quote, by all means do it.

[Mavorpen]

Don't argue a strawman. Ayn Rand, while not arguing an objective point of view, was saying that no one should deny them the expression of romantic love. Rape is not that for both parties.

they just wanted to chase rabbits. just like with quotes. just like with punctuation.

And yet you didn't address it. You just repeated yourself. Where does it say that "force is not allowed" in that quote?

[Samuraikoku]

Of that sentence? To you maybe.

Your effort in changing the punctuation to better convey your meaning, objectively proves otherwise. You're welcome.

[Sociobiology]

Lets start with what we know.

morals are not rational the are emotional instinctual responses.
ethic can be ration and are proposed as rational.

Morals can be instilled by rational agents to a small extent, but this is still an irrational behavior in the person making the moral decision.

Love is an emotion/compulsion and thus irrational, in fact the brain is constructed by evolution to be irrational when dealing with self interest and love, precisely because it spreads genes better.

Sex, harms the body and has very high stakes risks, while producing only a small chemical high and functions to serve the genes not the individual. essentially people have to be bribed with pleasure to preform sex, like most emotional drives. Thus it too is irrational.

If you were truly only interested in self interest, the only rational course of action would be to resist sex for as long as possible and use low risk drugs to get the pleasure instead.

[Condunum]

Don't argue a strawman. Ayn Rand, while not arguing an objective point of view, was saying that no one should deny them the expression of romantic love. Rape is not that for both parties.

I'm not arguing a strawman. I'm drawing conclusions from the quote provided. If he wants to revise his statements by providing another quote, by all means do it.

Fair enough, but I understood the wording to say nothing of rape.

[Goughistan]

I suggest we outlaw shitting then. Punishable with the death penalty.

[Jormengand]

Of that sentence? To you maybe.

Your effort in changing the punctuation to better convey your meaning, objectively proves otherwise. You're welcome.

The comma, was not neccesary in that position. And yes, I did make a deliberate mistake.

[Condunum]

Lets start with what we know.

morals are not rational the are emotional instinctual responses.
ethic can be ration and are proposed as rational.

Morals can be instilled by rational agents to a small extent, but this is still an irrational behavior in the person making the moral decision.

Love is an emotion/compulsion and thus irrational, in fact the brain is constructed by evolution to be irrational when dealing with self interest and love, precisely because it spreads genes better.

Sex, harms the body and has very high stakes risks, while producing only a small chemical high and functions to serve the genes not the individual. essentially people have to be bribed with pleasure to preform sex, like most emotional drives. Thus it too is irrational.

If you were truly only interested in self interest, the only rational course of action would be to resist sex for as long as possible and use low risk drugs to get the pleasure instead.

So the only rational decision is 420 blaze it, faggot? Cool beans.

[Samuraikoku]

Your effort in changing the punctuation to better convey your meaning, objectively proves otherwise. You're welcome.

The comma, was not neccesary in that position. And yes, I did make a deliberate mistake.

Can be indistinctly used since it does not alter the meaning of the sentence.

[Mavorpen]

I'm not arguing a strawman. I'm drawing conclusions from the quote provided. If he wants to revise his statements by providing another quote, by all means do it.

Fair enough, but I understood the wording to say nothing of rape.

Not my fault Ayn Rand didn't have enough sense to specify the exception of rape.

[Objectiveland]

they just wanted to chase rabbits. just like with quotes. just like with punctuation.

And yet you didn't address it. You just repeated yourself. Where does it say that "force is not allowed" in that quote?

force is not allowed in any objectivist philosophy except in self defense so of course it is not necessary to amend it.

[Condunum]

Fair enough, but I understood the wording to say nothing of rape.

Not my fault Ayn Rand didn't have enough sense to specify the exception of rape.

She doesn't have enough sense for a lot of things.

[Divair]

Not my fault Ayn Rand didn't have enough sense to specify the exception of rape.

She doesn't have enough sense for a lot of things.

Explains a lot.

[Jormengand]

Lets start with what we know.

morals are not rational the are emotional instinctual responses. Correct
ethic can be ration and are proposed as rational. Yes, I see what you're saying.

Morals can be instilled by rational agents to a small extent, but this is still an irrational behavior in the person making the moral decision. Well, you could argue in a vaguely communist way that morals make sense overall.

Love is an emotion/compulsion and thus irrational, in fact the brain is constructed by evolution to be irrational when dealing with self interest and love, precisely because it spreads genes better. Mhm.

Sex, harms the body and has very high stakes risks, Maybe. Condoms protect people from most of the risks. while producing only a small chemical high and functions to serve the genes not the individual. No. essentially people have to be bribed with pleasure to preform sex, No. like most emotional drives. Kind of. Thus it too is irrational. No.

If you were truly only interested in self interest, the only rational course of action would be to resist sex for as long as possible and use low risk drugs to get the pleasure instead. Drugs are more dangerous than sex if both are used in the safest way possible.

Not impressed.

[Mavorpen]

And yet you didn't address it. You just repeated yourself. Where does it say that "force is not allowed" in that quote?

force is not allowed in any objectivist philosophy except in self defense so of course it is not necessary to amend it.

Then she needs to revise her statements.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Not my fault Ayn Rand didn't have enough sense to specify the exception of rape.

She doesn't have enough sense for a lot of things.

Brains. Dynamite. Nose.

[Condunum]

Lets start with what we know.

morals are not rational the are emotional instinctual responses. Correct
ethic can be ration and are proposed as rational. Yes, I see what you're saying.

Morals can be instilled by rational agents to a small extent, but this is still an irrational behavior in the person making the moral decision. Well, you could argue in a vaguely communist way that morals make sense overall.

Love is an emotion/compulsion and thus irrational, in fact the brain is constructed by evolution to be irrational when dealing with self interest and love, precisely because it spreads genes better. Mhm.

Sex, harms the body and has very high stakes risks, Maybe. Condoms protect people from most of the risks. while producing only a small chemical high and functions to serve the genes not the individual. No. essentially people have to be bribed with pleasure to preform sex, No. like most emotional drives. Kind of. Thus it too is irrational. No.

If you were truly only interested in self interest, the only rational course of action would be to resist sex for as long as possible and use low risk drugs to get the pleasure instead. Drugs are more dangerous than sex if both are used in the safest way possible.

Not impressed.

Well from what I can tell, he was being facetious.

[Condunum]

She doesn't have enough sense for a lot of things.

Brains. Dynamite. Nose.

Nose?

[Jormengand]

The comma, was not neccesary in that position. And yes, I did make a deliberate mistake.

Can be indistinctly used since it does not alter the meaning of the sentence.

No, you'd have to say:

Your effort, in changing the punctuation to better convey your meaning, objectively proves otherwise.

Or use neither comma. Either it's an interjection or it isn't. Anyway, we can probably get back on topic now.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Brains. Dynamite. Nose.

Nose?

If brains were dynamite, she wouldn't have enough to blow her nose.

[Sociobiology]

In other words, ANY decision to make a choice that allows you to engage in dominating sex with a female is moral. Even worse, she essentially says that to deny the choice of a male to rape a female, it's immoral. Putting words in Ayn Rand's mouth, are we?

Don't argue a strawman. Ayn Rand, while not arguing an objective point of view, was saying that no one should deny them the expression of romantic love. Rape is not that for both parties.

actually in many cases it is, it is extremely one sided romantic love. So extreme that it is romantic love on one side and the exact opposite on the other side.
It is in many ways the ultimate expression of self interest.

although I should point out there are two forms of love, and the second types is not expressed in rape, however nor is it the one expressed in most forms of sex.
In fact romantic love is not highly associated with sex (usually associated with a drop in sexual desire), infatuation love on the other hand is.