Why is homosexuality wrong?

[Sociobiology]

So it's wrong to have gay sex if you don't want to have gay sex? Okay.

this is not what he said but it is what most of us would agree is true.

[Mavorpen]

Philosophical claims are different. I am using an objectivist philosophy. I would suggest you check your premiss.

No, you are not. You are citing a PHILOSOPHICAL CLAIM, and attempting to use that citation in order to justify your objectivist philosophy. The problem? The philosophical claim that Ayn Rand makes has been made before, and the conclusions were different. Thus, Ayn Rand's philosophy about morality is subjective, and your beliefs are in no way objective.

[Condunum]

Philosophical claims are different. I am using an objectivist philosophy. I would suggest you check your premiss.

No, you are not. You are citing a PHILOSOPHICAL CLAIM, and attempting to use that citation in order to justify your objectivist philosophy. The problem? The philosophical claim that Ayn Rand makes has been made before, and the conclusions were different. Thus, Ayn Rand's philosophy about morality is subjective, and your beliefs are in no way objective.

Completely relevant.

[Samuraikoku]

No, you are not. You are citing a PHILOSOPHICAL CLAIM, and attempting to use that citation in order to justify your objectivist philosophy. The problem? The philosophical claim that Ayn Rand makes has been made before, and the conclusions were different. Thus, Ayn Rand's philosophy about morality is subjective, and your beliefs are in no way objective.

Completely relevant.

The previous record sustains this objection, Counselor.

Your Honor, he said "My views". Therefore, it's his views, logically. And since they're are his views, the views of a single subject, his views are subjective.

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=6262083

[Objectiveland]

Not if sex is between one worthy of receiving and one worthy of providing sex. "Sex, to a rational man…is an expression of self-esteem—a celebration of himself and of existence and for this man (or woman) sex is properly a physical expression of romantic love. Celebration of one's own life and of existence is essential to promoting one's happiness; thus, it is moral to make choices that allow oneself this celebration and immoral to deny or negate it."Ayn Rand, "Of Living Death," The Objectivist, Oct. 1968,

So what you're saying is, rape is moral.

of course not force cannot be used.

[Samuraikoku]

So what you're saying is, rape is moral.

of course not force cannot be used.

Punctuation.

"Of course not, force cannot be used."

[Gauthier]

Because if homosexuality was considered just a normal human orientation then all those family values politicians would miss that high from illicit taboo homosexual affairs.

[The Emerald Dawn]

So what you're saying is, rape is moral.

of course not force cannot be used.

Relevant.

[Mavorpen]

Completely relevant.

The previous record sustains this objection, Counselor.

Had to be done.

[Mavorpen]

So what you're saying is, rape is moral.

of course not force cannot be used.

"Sex, to a rational man…is an expression of self-esteem—a celebration of himself and of existence and for this man (or woman) sex is properly a physical expression of romantic love. Celebration of one's own life and of existence is essential to promoting one's happiness; thus, it is moral to make choices that allow oneself this celebration and immoral to deny or negate it."Ayn Rand, "Of Living Death," The Objectivist, Oct. 1968,

In other words, ANY decision to make a choice that allows you to engage in dominating sex with a female is moral. Even worse, she essentially says that to deny the choice of a male to rape a female, it's immoral. Putting words in Ayn Rand's mouth, are we?

[Divair]

The previous record sustains this objection, Counselor.

Had to be done.

Is this how debates will occur on NSG now?

[Objectiveland]

of course not force cannot be used.

Punctuation.

"Of course not, force cannot be used."

edit if you care to if not I don't care

[Samuraikoku]

Punctuation.

"Of course not, force cannot be used."

edit if you care to if not I don't care

You do realize punctuation changes the whole meaning of your sentence?

You should thank me for that.

[Mavorpen]

Had to be done.

Is this how debates will occur on NSG now?

I would love that.

[Divair]

Punctuation.

"Of course not, force cannot be used."

edit if you care to if not I don't care

"Edit if you care, if you don't I won't care"

[Samuraikoku]

Is this how debates will occur on NSG now?

I would love that.

I object to the usage of the whip.

[Objectiveland]

of course not force cannot be used.

"Sex, to a rational man…is an expression of self-esteem—a celebration of himself and of existence and for this man (or woman) sex is properly a physical expression of romantic love. Celebration of one's own life and of existence is essential to promoting one's happiness; thus, it is moral to make choices that allow oneself this celebration and immoral to deny or negate it."Ayn Rand, "Of Living Death," The Objectivist, Oct. 1968,

In other words, ANY decision to make a choice that allows you to engage in dominating sex with a female is moral. Putting words in Ayn Rand's mouth, are we?

Of course not. force cannot be used.

[Condunum]

Had to be done.

Is this how debates will occur on NSG now?

One can only hope. I'd great;y enjoy pseudo-courthouse debates.

[Samuraikoku]

Of course not. force cannot be used.

You're welcome.

[Divair]

I would love that.

I object to the usage of the whip.

Would you prefer a cane?

[Jormengand]

edit if you care to if not I don't care

You do realize punctuation changes the whole meaning of your sentence?

You should thank me for that.

Editing people's punctuation is generally a sign that you're losing the argument, and have no real answer to what they're saying.

Not that I'm saying that's the case, but you're not doing yourself any favours.

[Samuraikoku]

I object to the usage of the whip.

Would you prefer a cane?

I would prefer no physical violence in the courthouse. The attorneys are doing their job.

[Mavorpen]

In other words, ANY decision to make a choice that allows you to engage in dominating sex with a female is moral. Putting words in Ayn Rand's mouth, are we?

Of course not. force cannot be used.

of course not force cannot be used.

"Sex, to a rational man…is an expression of self-esteem—a celebration of himself and of existence and for this man (or woman) sex is properly a physical expression of romantic love. Celebration of one's own life and of existence is essential to promoting one's happiness; thus, it is moral to make choices that allow oneself this celebration and immoral to deny or negate it."Ayn Rand, "Of Living Death," The Objectivist, Oct. 1968,

In other words, ANY decision to make a choice that allows you to engage in dominating sex with a female is moral. Even worse, she essentially says that to deny the choice of a male to rape a female, it's immoral. Putting words in Ayn Rand's mouth, are we?

[Condunum]

of course not force cannot be used.

"Sex, to a rational man…is an expression of self-esteem—a celebration of himself and of existence and for this man (or woman) sex is properly a physical expression of romantic love. Celebration of one's own life and of existence is essential to promoting one's happiness; thus, it is moral to make choices that allow oneself this celebration and immoral to deny or negate it."Ayn Rand, "Of Living Death," The Objectivist, Oct. 1968,

In other words, ANY decision to make a choice that allows you to engage in dominating sex with a female is moral. Even worse, she essentially says that to deny the choice of a male to rape a female, it's immoral. Putting words in Ayn Rand's mouth, are we?

Don't argue a strawman. Ayn Rand, while not arguing an objective point of view, was saying that no one should deny them the expression of romantic love. Rape is not that for both parties.

[Objectiveland]

edit if you care to if not I don't care

You do realize punctuation changes the whole meaning of your sentence?

You should thank me for that.

Of that sentence? To you maybe.