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Postby Samuraikoku » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:05 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:PEOPLE WHO LOVE PISTACHIO ICE CREAM SHALL BURN IN EVERLASTING DAMNATION.


Y U H8 ME? :(

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Postby Raeyh » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:05 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Southern Jasperia wrote:
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The Noodly Eyes are upon you.

Where were we? Oh yes. Homosexuality.

My wife is home right now with her girlfriend. I'd call her and ask her opinion on this question, but the last time I mentioned one of these threads she rolled her eyes and told me that I was wasting my time by trying to convince people on the internet to think differently. She then made me a hoagie sandwich, and told me that she loved me anyway. So, yeah. Anecdote.


So the moral of your story is that being homosexual makes you great at sandwich making and therefore is acceptable?

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Postby Ivory Record » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:05 pm

Objectiveland wrote:
Northern Dominus wrote:So...you won't complain the next somebody calls you out on your quotation marks and demands you show proof of source because it's not their task to do so? And if they refuse to do your work will you similarly be recalcitrant to object if they dismiss your claims or views as unsupported and therefore not worth the effort to debunk?


No I will not complain. No I will not object. My views are objective and need no support only rational self interest.


How is any variation of an explanation for homosexuality being wrong a part of your own "rational self interest"?
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:05 pm

Objectiveland wrote:
Northern Dominus wrote:So...you won't complain the next somebody calls you out on your quotation marks and demands you show proof of source because it's not their task to do so? And if they refuse to do your work will you similarly be recalcitrant to object if they dismiss your claims or views as unsupported and therefore not worth the effort to debunk?


No I will not complain. No I will not object. My views are objective and need no support only rational self interest.


Riiiiight. Two words that seem to be the complete opposite of what they actually are.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:06 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:Ah, I see. Well, in that case, an attribution would have been helpful. But making him provide sources would amount to coercion, no doubt. We can't have that.


I know you mock but well said.

You should still provide sources we can examine because it's polite. I don't know if objectivism recognizes the value of civilty. Around here, it is considered polite to provide sources for positive statements made, perhaps not for every single thing, but at least when asked.
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Postby Objectiveland » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:06 pm

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No I will not complain. No I will not object. My views are objective and need no support only rational self interest.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


Then you need to do some reading. Might I suggest some of my favorites?
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:07 pm

Zottistan wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:The Noodly Eyes are upon you.

Where were we? Oh yes. Homosexuality.

My wife is home right now with her girlfriend. I'd call her and ask her opinion on this question, but the last time I mentioned one of these threads she rolled her eyes and told me that I was wasting my time by trying to convince people on the internet to think differently. She then made me a hoagie sandwich, and told me that she loved me anyway. So, yeah. Anecdote.

Umm, wuh? People make my head hurt...

I'm in a slightly open marriage. She doesn't sleep with guys, because she doesn't want to sleep with any guys but me. It's her choice. I sleep with her, and she asks her girlfriends if they want to sleep with me too. If they want to, and I want to, then it happens.

Moral of the story? My marriage is on solid ground, because I know what she does, and who she does it with. She respects my needs and opinions, and focuses as much attention on me as I need.

She's bi, I'm straight, it's fun.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:07 pm

Objectiveland wrote:
Northern Dominus wrote:So...you won't complain the next somebody calls you out on your quotation marks and demands you show proof of source because it's not their task to do so? And if they refuse to do your work will you similarly be recalcitrant to object if they dismiss your claims or views as unsupported and therefore not worth the effort to debunk?


No I will not complain. No I will not object. My views are objective and need no support only rational self interest.


Except that you weren't posting your view.

You were posting the view of another without giving credit to the person who wrote it.

This hardly seems the act of one who follows Rand's teachings.

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:07 pm

Raeyh wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:The Noodly Eyes are upon you.

Where were we? Oh yes. Homosexuality.

My wife is home right now with her girlfriend. I'd call her and ask her opinion on this question, but the last time I mentioned one of these threads she rolled her eyes and told me that I was wasting my time by trying to convince people on the internet to think differently. She then made me a hoagie sandwich, and told me that she loved me anyway. So, yeah. Anecdote.


So the moral of your story is that being homosexual makes you great at sandwich making and therefore is acceptable?

That is entirely possible. I've never known any of the women my wife brings home to be bad at sandwich making.

This could be considered observational bias though.

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Postby Objectiveland » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:08 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Objectiveland wrote:
I know you mock but well said.

You should still provide sources we can examine because it's polite. I don't know if objectivism recognizes the value of civilty. Around here, it is considered polite to provide sources for positive statements made, perhaps not for every single thing, but at least when asked.


I was never asked. I was dictated to by someone who already knew the source so it was pointless.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:08 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:PEOPLE WHO LOVE PISTACHIO ICE CREAM SHALL BURN IN EVERLASTING DAMNATION.


Y U H8 ME? :(

Because I'm still lacking in power armor. The Emperor has not provided.

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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:08 pm

Objectiveland wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


Then you need to do some reading. Might I suggest some of my favorites?

No, but can I suggest one of my favorites to you?

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Postby Northern Dominus » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:09 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Raeyh wrote:
So the moral of your story is that being homosexual makes you great at sandwich making and therefore is acceptable?

That is entirely possible. I've never known any of the women my wife brings home to be bad at sandwich making.

This could be considered observational bias though.
She hasn't brought home one of my particular ex's then. That woman could scorch water without turning the stove on.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:09 pm

Objectiveland wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:You should still provide sources we can examine because it's polite. I don't know if objectivism recognizes the value of civilty. Around here, it is considered polite to provide sources for positive statements made, perhaps not for every single thing, but at least when asked.


I was never asked. I was dictated to by someone who already knew the source so it was pointless.

No one has asked you for a source in all the time you've been in this forum? Anyway, it's understood. Hell, all you'd have had to do was put the author's name at the end of the quote and none of this would have happened.
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:09 pm

Objectiveland wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:If you're going to quote, please link to the source material, or give appropriate attribution if a link is not possible.


why? If one wants to find it they can very easily. see you did.

It's considered good form to not claim plagiarized passages as your own thoughts. Since your entire post (save one word) was somebody else's definition, a link or attribution credit would be appropriate.

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Postby Objectiveland » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:09 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Objectiveland wrote:
No I will not complain. No I will not object. My views are objective and need no support only rational self interest.


Except that you weren't posting your view.

You were posting the view of another without giving credit to the person who wrote it.

This hardly seems the act of one who follows Rand's teachings.


my view also. was in quotes. knew a hall monitor would look it up anyway.
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Postby Objectiveland » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:11 pm

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Objectiveland wrote:
why? If one wants to find it they can very easily. see you did.

It's considered good form to not claim plagiarized passages as your own thoughts. Since your entire post (save one word) was somebody else's definition, a link or attribution credit would be appropriate.


Never tried to pass as my own thought. was in quotes (was assuming everyone knew what those mean apparently I was wrong). Read the rest of my responses if you want an explanation.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:12 pm

Objectiveland wrote:
Frisbeeteria wrote:It's considered good form to not claim plagiarized passages as your own thoughts. Since your entire post (save one word) was somebody else's definition, a link or attribution credit would be appropriate.


Never tried to pass as my own thought. was in quotes (was assuming everyone knew what those mean apparently I was wrong). Read the rest of my responses if you want an explanation.

"Fuck this and fuck you."

The above is in quotes. Do you see any problem with this?

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Postby Objectiveland » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:12 pm

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I was never asked. I was dictated to by someone who already knew the source so it was pointless.

No one has asked you for a source in all the time you've been in this forum? Anyway, it's understood. Hell, all you'd have had to do was put the author's name at the end of the quote and none of this would have happened.


Don't care that it happened. Somebody else's rabbit to chase not mine.
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Postby Objectiveland » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:13 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Objectiveland wrote:
Never tried to pass as my own thought. was in quotes (was assuming everyone knew what those mean apparently I was wrong). Read the rest of my responses if you want an explanation.

"Fuck this and fuck you."

The above is in quotes. Do you see any problem with this?


None. If I cared enough to look it up and couldn't find the source I might would ask.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:13 pm

Objectiveland wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:No one has asked you for a source in all the time you've been in this forum? Anyway, it's understood. Hell, all you'd have had to do was put the author's name at the end of the quote and none of this would have happened.


Don't care that it happened. Somebody else's rabbit to chase not mine.

It's a quote from NARTH, isn't it?
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:13 pm

Objectiveland wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:"Fuck this and fuck you."

The above is in quotes. Do you see any problem with this?


None.

That explains much. Ok, let's move on with the discussion about the topic now.

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:14 pm

Objectiveland wrote:
Frisbeeteria wrote:It's considered good form to not claim plagiarized passages as your own thoughts. Since your entire post (save one word) was somebody else's definition, a link or attribution credit would be appropriate.


Never tried to pass as my own thought. was in quotes (was assuming everyone knew what those mean apparently I was wrong). Read the rest of my responses if you want an explanation.

I did. That was a Moderation response to an accusation of plagiarism, and I'll thank you to keep it in mind when posting here.

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Postby Objectiveland » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:18 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Objectiveland wrote:
Never tried to pass as my own thought. was in quotes (was assuming everyone knew what those mean apparently I was wrong). Read the rest of my responses if you want an explanation.

I did. That was a Moderation response to an accusation of plagiarism, and I'll thank you to keep it in mind when posting here.



Never plagiarized a passage as my own thought.
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Postby Raeyh » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:21 pm

Objectiveland wrote:
Frisbeeteria wrote:I did. That was a Moderation response to an accusation of plagiarism, and I'll thank you to keep it in mind when posting here.


No point made there. Never plagiarized a passage as my own thought.


Generally when you include quotes, you preface it with a name, for example, "as Ayn Rand said, '[Speech]'"

Alternately you could do it like this:

Ayn Rand wrote:
[Speech]


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