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Postby Raeyh » Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:55 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Objectiveland wrote:Having autism, ADHD, bipolar disorder, etc. are not "wrong" either. Just as scientists and physicians are working to cure those conditions the same is true for homosexuality.


Homosexuality is not a condition. It's a sexual preference.

Homosexuals and bisexuals are not in any way damaged when compared to heterosexuals.


If someone is troubled by their sexuality, they should be allowed to receive treatment for it. Something beyond castration, anyway, which I think is the current treatment.

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Postby Agymnum » Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:56 pm

Raeyh wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
Homosexuality is not a condition. It's a sexual preference.

Homosexuals and bisexuals are not in any way damaged when compared to heterosexuals.


If someone is troubled by their sexuality, they should be allowed to receive treatment for it. Something beyond castration, anyway, which I think is the current treatment.


Who says all homosexuals are troubled by their sexuality?

Hell, why should anyone be troubled by their sexuality except because ignoramuses pressure into them the idea that homosexuality/bisexuality is bad.
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Postby Raeyh » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:02 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Raeyh wrote:
If someone is troubled by their sexuality, they should be allowed to receive treatment for it. Something beyond castration, anyway, which I think is the current treatment.


Who says all homosexuals are troubled by their sexuality?

Hell, why should anyone be troubled by their sexuality except because ignoramuses pressure into them the idea that homosexuality/bisexuality is bad.


Well, if you aren't troubled by your sexuality, you don't need to buy the medicine, it's simple as that. When it comes down to it, it would just give people more options.

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Postby Objectiveland » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:08 pm

Raeyh wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
Who says all homosexuals are troubled by their sexuality?

Hell, why should anyone be troubled by their sexuality except because ignoramuses pressure into them the idea that homosexuality/bisexuality is bad.


Well, if you aren't troubled by your sexuality, you don't need to buy the medicine, it's simple as that. When it comes down to it, it would just give people more options.


I agree. It would also be helpful if parents were able to start treatment as soon as the defect were identified assuming that could be pinpointed in the future.
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Postby Raeyh » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:12 pm

Objectiveland wrote:
Raeyh wrote:
Well, if you aren't troubled by your sexuality, you don't need to buy the medicine, it's simple as that. When it comes down to it, it would just give people more options.


I agree. It would also be helpful if parents were able to start treatment as soon as the defect were identified assuming that could be pinpointed in the future.


To my knowledge, going through a homosexual phase is normal in adolescents. That might be premature.

It would probably be best to leave it as something decided during adulthood by the individual in question.
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Postby Srboslavija » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:22 pm

If it was right, it would have been the norm and accepted centuries ago - as opposed to being forced under the guise of political correctness in the last two decades.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:24 pm

I think that what's truly wrong is to label other people's lifestyle as 'bad', especially if said lifestyle doesn't harm anyone.

I realize that the OP isn't labeling anything.
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Postby Agymnum » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:25 pm

Srboslavija wrote:If it was right, it would have been the norm and accepted centuries ago - as opposed to being forced under the guise of political correctness in the last two decades.

/End thread


So slavery is right?

Racism is right?

Discrimination is right?

Good logic right there.
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Postby New Sapienta » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:25 pm

Srboslavija wrote:If it was right, it would have been the norm and accepted centuries ago - as opposed to being forced under the guise of political correctness in the last two decades.

/End thread

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Postby Objectiveland » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:26 pm

Raeyh wrote:
Objectiveland wrote:
I agree. It would also be helpful if parents were able to start treatment as soon as the defect were identified assuming that could be pinpointed in the future.


To my knowledge, going through a homosexual phase is normal in adolescents. That might be premature.

It would probably be best to leave it as something decided during adulthood by the individual in question.


Yes unless (which it's my contention could be possible in the future) scientists could identify the defect (like a tumor for example) and remove it before adolescence begins.
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Postby Ulvena » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:30 pm

Homosexuality is wrong in the same way that liking Pepsi more than Coke is wrong. Personally, I couldn't care less. There are bigger things to worry about than gay rights on either front. As I say: If I can create a million jobs in the same amount of time it takes for me to sign and pass a gay rights bill, I would go for the former.

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Postby Desperate Measures » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:30 pm

Objectiveland wrote:
Raeyh wrote:
To my knowledge, going through a homosexual phase is normal in adolescents. That might be premature.

It would probably be best to leave it as something decided during adulthood by the individual in question.


Yes unless (which it's my contention could be possible in the future) scientists could identify the defect (like a tumor for example) and remove it before adolescence begins.

That is a horrible idea. Speaking as a parent, I would never want that level of control over my kid.
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Postby Srboslavija » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:35 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Srboslavija wrote:If it was right, it would have been the norm and accepted centuries ago - as opposed to being forced under the guise of political correctness in the last two decades.

/End thread


So slavery is right?

Racism is right?

Discrimination is right?

Good logic right there.


Considering that just until recently (90s) the vast majority of the earth's various cultures seemingly agreed that it was wrong is pretty remarkable. Especially considering all the cultures are typically at some form of war or disagreement with one another.

But, yes I am aware it's 2012 and godforbid someone's feelings get hurt...
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Postby Agymnum » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:36 pm

Srboslavija wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
So slavery is right?

Racism is right?

Discrimination is right?

Good logic right there.


Considering that just until recently (90s) the vast majority of the earth's various cultures seemingly agreed that it was wrong is pretty remarkable. Especially considering all the cultures are typically at some form of war or disagreement with one another.

But, yes I am aware it's 2012 and godforbid someone's feelings get hurt...


So if we hurt your feelings, it's okay now, because political correctness is obviously never justified?
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:36 pm

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:39 pm

Srboslavija wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
So slavery is right?

Racism is right?

Discrimination is right?

Good logic right there.


Considering that just until recently (90s) the vast majority of the earth's various cultures seemingly agreed that it was wrong is pretty remarkable. Especially considering all the cultures are typically at some form of war or disagreement with one another.

But, yes I am aware it's 2012 and godforbid someone's feelings get hurt...

It used to be not wrong. Go back to Ancient Greece or go to the Congo and watch some bonobos for... a few minutes.
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Postby Intangelon » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:41 pm

It isn't wrong. It just is.
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Postby New Sapienta » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:42 pm

Srboslavija wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
So slavery is right?

Racism is right?

Discrimination is right?

Good logic right there.


Considering that just until recently (90s) the vast majority of the earth's various cultures seemingly agreed that it was wrong is pretty remarkable. Especially considering all the cultures are typically at some form of war or disagreement with one another.

But, yes I am aware it's 2012 and godforbid someone's feelings get hurt...

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Postby Intangelon » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:43 pm

Ulvena wrote:Homosexuality is wrong in the same way that liking Pepsi more than Coke is wrong. Personally, I couldn't care less. There are bigger things to worry about than gay rights on either front. As I say: If I can create a million jobs in the same amount of time it takes for me to sign and pass a gay rights bill, I would go for the former.


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Postby CVT Temp » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:45 pm

Ulvena wrote:Homosexuality is wrong in the same way that liking Pepsi more than Coke is wrong. Personally, I couldn't care less. There are bigger things to worry about than gay rights on either front. As I say: If I can create a million jobs in the same amount of time it takes for me to sign and pass a gay rights bill, I would go for the former.


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Postby Intangelon » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:46 pm

Srboslavija wrote:If it was right, it would have been the norm and accepted centuries ago - as opposed to being forced under the guise of political correctness in the last two decades.

/End thread

/Pretentiously ended thread re-the-fuck-opened >:(

Uh...like it WAS the norm and accepted centuries ago? Greece, Rome, and elsewhere, nevermind the animal kingdom?

Dude, you're welcome to your own opinion, but minting your own facts and trying to condescendingly pass them off as even remotely legitimate is foul play.

Try again, and this time, observe some damned history.
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Postby Objectiveland » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:47 pm

Agreed science should provide the cure.
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Postby CVT Temp » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:48 pm

Intangelon wrote:/Pretentiously ended thread re-the-fuck-opened >:(

Uh...like it WAS the norm and accepted centuries ago? Greece, Rome, and elsewhere, nevermind the animal kingdom?

Dude, you're welcome to your own opinion, but minting your own facts and trying to condescendingly pass them off as even remotely legitimate is foul play.

Try again, and this time, observe some damned history.


Also, one could argue that slavery was almost universally considered morally permissible by almost all cultures in the world at one time, so they must be right about that.
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Postby Romanitea » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:22 pm

Srboslavija wrote:Considering that just until recently (90s) the vast majority of the earth's various cultures seemingly agreed that it was wrong is pretty remarkable. Especially considering all the cultures are typically at some form of war or disagreement with one another.

But, yes I am aware it's 2012 and godforbid someone's feelings get hurt...


Actually until the last couple of centuries most cultures didn't consider it wrong. In some homosexuality was actually part of culture, but most just didn't give a damn about it. There's plenty of records, for example, that some English courtiers were gay, and if it was recorded it obviously wasn't much of a secret. Obviously we don't have records for what ordinary people did.

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Postby Agymnum » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:23 pm

Romanitea wrote:
Srboslavija wrote:Considering that just until recently (90s) the vast majority of the earth's various cultures seemingly agreed that it was wrong is pretty remarkable. Especially considering all the cultures are typically at some form of war or disagreement with one another.

But, yes I am aware it's 2012 and godforbid someone's feelings get hurt...


Actually until the last couple of centuries most cultures didn't consider it wrong. In some homosexuality was actually part of culture, but most just didn't give a damn about it. There's plenty of records, for example, that some English courtiers were gay, and if it was recorded it obviously wasn't much of a secret. Obviously we don't have records for what ordinary people did.


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