Gender titles to be scrapped in Brighton.

[Zaras]

A cis human male. Therefore, you're unqualified to talk about what's best for trans people.

I guess this means you must be transgendered. Either that or just a massive hypocrite.

I haven't ever talked about what is best for trans people, unlike your protests about how it's better that we leave the honorifics in. I'm not transgendered and I have no illusions about being qualified to talk about it, but shit, somebody had to point out how stupid your posts were.

Surprise: it's possible to not be transgendered and still point out that other people are being transphobic.

[Zaras]

I said damn near. How many of those shitty sitcoms actually have them as main characters instead of just support characters for the white protagonists?

There was that Citizen Khan thing on the BBC about a Pakistani family and there was The Indian Doctor a while back.

TWO SHOWS.

Out of fuck knows how many.

The point. You have missed it.

[Alaje]

It's ok, we'll see what kind of freaks the next generations will be once trannies are seen as "perfectly fine". We'll have a bunch of people running around not knowing reality from some figment of their imagination and weirdos going around thinking they're flamingos and shit.
We'll see what way is correct in time.

oh yeah totally, once we let the trannies in next we'll have dolphins n shit!!!

Ok, you think I'm kidding. People have some fucked up minds.

[Delanshar]

You've got pretty bad standards if you can't be arsed to read about intersectionality, gender discrimination and microaggressions, and can't see the problem with a non-gender-conforming person being forced to submit to a gender binary that they don't conform to.

Why on earth would a waste my time reading garbage called "Microaggressions"

Why do these transgendered activist think that every social convention is meant to make them feel bad. It's hypersensitivity, not discrimination. They need to get over themselves and realize that the world doesn't revolve around their feelings.

[Seriong]

oh yeah totally, once we let the trannies in next we'll have dolphins n shit!!!

Ok, you think I'm kidding. People have some fucked up minds.

Not at all what he was talking about. He was showing your use of the slippery slope fallacy. Just because we recognize trans people, it does not mean we automatically accept another group later on.

[Souseiseki]

oh yeah totally, once we let the trannies in next we'll have dolphins n shit!!!

Ok, you think I'm kidding. People have some fucked up minds.

i discussed that before with ostroeuropa

he was pretty quickly convinced iirc

[Mavorpen]

oh yeah totally, once we let the trannies in next we'll have dolphins n shit!!!

Ok, you think I'm kidding. People have some fucked up minds.

What's the problem?

[Norsklow]

No. But if people ARE getting executed, then you should probably focus on that rather than some stupid piece of paper.

At least if actually care about furthering LGBT rights.

I. like i keep saying, i know it's crazy, but i subscribe to the multi-tasking school of thought

II. even though it's harder to change things in iran that in it is to change them at home, have you considered it's possible to make things easier at home and try and work at improving things over the world too? i'm not sure what local councils in brighton are supposed to do about iran, but i'm sure it'll be huge.

I. I sure don't. He who has more than 1 priority has no priority at all. I'd advice against breaking that basic bit of tactics - but feel free to ignore.

II. Greatest Good for the Greatest Number. I certainly wont support much that goes against that. You can pursue another course, but I think you should not expect too much empathy from the outside. Which leads to marginalisation - which leads God knows where.

It's like reading Zamoyksi in 'Holy Madness' in his chapter on Poland in the 19th century. Suddenly you understand exactly why the Poles did not lift a finger for the Jews a century later. There was absolutely no way such a policy could have backfired, was there?

[Alaje]

Ok, you think I'm kidding. People have some fucked up minds.

Not at all what he was talking about. He was showing your use of the slippery slope fallacy. Just because we recognize trans people, it does not mean we automatically accept another group later on.

Transsexually and that are the SAME ILLNESS, it is called dysphoria. Accepting one as normal and not the other is like saying brain cancer is healthy, but lung cancer isn't.

[Zaras]

Why on earth would a waste my time reading garbage called "Microaggressions"

http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/dera ... n/#educate

Seriously, you're making it too easy.

Why do these transgendered activist think that every social convention is meant to make them feel bad.

Because social conventions were drawn up by privileged elites in a blatantly heteronormative way. It's not a far-fetched conclusion.

It's hypersensitivity, not discrimination. They need to get over themselves and realize that the world doesn't revolve around their feelings.

http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/dera ... remotional
http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/dera ... #sensitive
http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/dera ... n/#enjoyit
http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/dera ... #represent
http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/dera ... #disbelief

God damn you're repetitive.

[Zaras]

Accepting one as normal and not the other is like saying brain cancer is healthy, but lung cancer isn't.

Are you old enough to post here in the first place? Seriously, are you this fucking incapable of grasping basic nuances of reality?

[Mavorpen]

Not at all what he was talking about. He was showing your use of the slippery slope fallacy. Just because we recognize trans people, it does not mean we automatically accept another group later on.

Transsexually and that are the SAME ILLNESS, it is called dysphoria. Accepting one as normal and not the other is like saying brain cancer is healthy, but lung cancer isn't.

Still waiting on the problem.

[Alaje]

Ok, you think I'm kidding. People have some fucked up minds.

What's the problem?

If you don't see a problem with people thinking they're flamingos, you have zero sense.

[Britannic Realms]

Your opinion is stupid and bigoted against non-gender-conforming persons, and you've basically committed this: http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/dera ... ion/#false in the process of saying that they should "choose".

My view is only stupid in your opinion. I'm sure it's perfectly reasonable in many others. I know that I'm bigoted but I don't give a fuck if I offend somebody. If I've said something on an internet forum I don't cry in my bed and worry about being lynched by the transgender mobs from Brighton.
I hope you don't mind me saying that that bloggy thing was the funniest thing I've read in a long. Who the fuck writes 'Marginalised People TM'? Then there's 'Horizontal Hostility', what the fuck is that? All together it sounds like some-kind of shitty team-building workshop.

[Delanshar]

I guess this means you must be transgendered. Either that or just a massive hypocrite.

I haven't ever talked about what is best for trans people, unlike your protests about how it's better that we leave the honorifics in. I'm not transgendered and I have no illusions about being qualified to talk about it, but shit, somebody had to point out how stupid your posts were.

Surprise: it's possible to not be transgendered and still point out that other people are being transphobic.

So let me get this straight.

You don't think normal people can talk about whats best for transgendered people,
Yet you think we need to change the way we address each other to conform with their feelings.

So in other words you think you know whats best for them, but when someone else has a different idea then they can't talk and it's none of their business.

How do you NOT see the complete lack of logic in your thinking?

[Mavorpen]

What's the problem?

If you don't see a problem with people thinking they're flamingos, you have zero sense.

Ah. So you don't have an argument.

[Seriong]

Not at all what he was talking about. He was showing your use of the slippery slope fallacy. Just because we recognize trans people, it does not mean we automatically accept another group later on.

Transsexually and that are the SAME ILLNESS, it is called dysphoria. Accepting one as normal and not the other is like saying brain cancer is healthy, but lung cancer isn't.

"dysphoria"



Dysphoria describes the feeling, of your body not being right. What the correct body is is completely unrelated.

"Accepting one as normal and not the other is like saying brain cancer is healthy, but lung cancer isn't."



No, it's like saying, you are in the wrong body, as your neurology points to, but you are still a person.

They are completely different. What you are doing is akin to saying "Allowing gay marriage will lead to allowing people to marry animals!"

[Alaje]

Accepting one as normal and not the other is like saying brain cancer is healthy, but lung cancer isn't.

Are you old enough to post here in the first place? Seriously, are you this fucking incapable of grasping basic nuances of reality?

OH AD HOMINEM, THE EPITHETS WEREN'T ENOUGH!!!! SPECIAL WEAPON!!!

Really dude? To think I actually found you above that.

[CVT Temp]

I. I sure don't. He who has more than 1 priority has no priority at all. I'd advice against breaking that basic bit of tactics - but feel free to ignore.

This is silly. The only reason to have exactly one priority is if that one goal is so hard to obtain that it requires absolute dedication.

II. Greatest Good for the Greatest Number. I certainly wont support much that goes against that. You can pursue another course, but I think you should not expect too much empathy from the outside. Which leads to marginalisation - which leads God knows where.

It's like reading Zamoyksi in 'Holy Madness' in his chapter on Poland in the 19th century. Suddenly you understand exactly why the Poles did not lift a finger for the Jews a century later. There was absolutely no way such a policy could have backfired, was there?

A general sense of compassion, fairness, and acceptance tends to lead to the greatest good for the greatest number, because we all tend to rise and fall together, being an intrinsically social species.

[Delanshar]

http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/dera ... remotional
http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/dera ... #sensitive
http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/dera ... n/#enjoyit
http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/dera ... #represent
http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/dera ... #disbelief

God damn you're repetitive.

No as repetitive as posting random links because of laziness to make an actual argument. I don't even know what your trying to prove by posting them. Is it that I'm being manipulative? Because I'm not. I'm being honest.

[Seriong]

Are you old enough to post here in the first place? Seriously, are you this fucking incapable of grasping basic nuances of reality?

OH AD HOMINEM, THE EPITHETS WEREN'T ENOUGH!!!! SPECIAL WEAPON!!!

Really dude? To think I actually found you above that.

"OH AD HOMINEM"

How was this an attack on you personally to DISCREDIT YOU?

[Desperate Measures]

oh yeah totally, once we let the trannies in next we'll have dolphins n shit!!!

Ok, you think I'm kidding. People have some fucked up minds.

Will it hurt you if somebody finds a way to function in society while also being a flamingo?

*eats banana*

[Alaje]

OH AD HOMINEM, THE EPITHETS WEREN'T ENOUGH!!!! SPECIAL WEAPON!!!

Really dude? To think I actually found you above that.

"OH AD HOMINEM"

How was this an attack on you personally to DISCREDIT YOU?

Seriously, you people can't seriously be that fucking oblivious. Re-read his post, you might see it.

[Mavorpen]

Ok, you think I'm kidding. People have some fucked up minds.

Will it hurt you if somebody finds a way to function in society while also being a flamingo?

*eats banana*

You're expecting an actual argument outside of, "THAT'S STOOPID!" from him?

[New Amerik]

Accepting one as normal and not the other is like saying brain cancer is healthy, but lung cancer isn't.

Are you old enough to post here in the first place? Seriously, are you this fucking incapable of grasping basic nuances of reality?

Ahem.

If you're arguing with someone who will not be swayed, then it's best to stop arguing before accidentally turning to the same logical and argumentative fallacies the other side may or may not using against you.

I don't think you're going to get anywhere with the other poster by this point. Best to move on before they declare you to be acting overly emotional or hostile (and yes I've read the thing I know the tactic.)