Gender titles to be scrapped in Brighton.

[Zaras]

Solution: abolish all honorifics.

I like the idea of -fuck better than abolition. Hello Sandra Johnson-fuck, this is my friend, Jacob Nelson-fuck. I think you two would make a great couple.

Even better!

[Souseiseki]

Yeah, right, dismiss one source I gave and don't bother to try and look at any other ones.

Seriously, there's a fucking wealth of info about privilege on the Internet, and you're too lazy to look it up. There's more to privilege than whatever your example is supposed to mean because I'm not even sure what you're playing at there. Is it about how damn near every TV show is about pretty, rich, straight white people, and everybody else is shoved to the sidelines?

Your last statement is false, lots of television shows these days include minorities. EastEnders, Coronation Street, Emmerdale, Hollyoaks, Neighbours, Home and Away, etc.

eastenders is probably a good example. the rest are bad examples except maybe the other one that i can't remember

also they're not the majority of TV shows, but hey

[Mavorpen]

Liberals want everyone to be seen as "normal" even if they're actually ill or perverted.

Whut?

[Souseiseki]

Because a cis person is the best authority on what's best to do with trans persons.

Goddamit, stop calling me a 'cis person'. I'm not a fucking molecule with hydrogens on the same side. I'm a human male!

Oh, there you go again. If you keep thinking this is just a "handful of people" whose "feelings are being hurt" instead of a real issue of societal oppression, that's your problem, not mine.

You've got pretty low standards for 'societal oppression' if you think it includes checking Mr/Mrs on a piece of paper.

That is a nonsensical argument that trivialises the oppression and discrimination LGBT people face. Make a better one or come back after you've educated yourself on the topic some more.

No. Getting upset about checking a box on a piece of paper is what trivializes LGBT discrimination.

Gay people face execution in Iran. There are many places where they face lynch mobs and stoning. THATS oppression. There are more important issues than the title on some stupid form, yet the transgender community is so full or themselves they decide to get upset about this instead of actual oppression.

if we aren't being stoned, we can't complain about things that make life harder for us

cool

[Delanshar]

Why bother keeping the honorifics in? They're a pointless artifact that achieves nothing.

If they were so pointless then why get offended?

[Norsklow]

By the power invested in US as a self-appointed group of straight males:
do not call us CIS for we find it offensive.

[CVT Temp]

Even better!

It's nice to make irreverence into respectfulness. My cynical misanthropic side is amused by it.

[Delanshar]

Goddamit, stop calling me a 'cis person'. I'm not a fucking molecule with hydrogens on the same side. I'm a human male!



You've got pretty low standards for 'societal oppression' if you think it includes checking Mr/Mrs on a piece of paper.



No. Getting upset about checking a box on a piece of paper is what trivializes LGBT discrimination.

Gay people face execution in Iran. There are many places where they face lynch mobs and stoning. THATS oppression. There are more important issues than the title on some stupid form, yet the transgender community is so full or themselves they decide to get upset about this instead of actual oppression.

if we aren't being stoned, we can't complain about things that make life harder for us

cool

No. But if people ARE getting executed, then you should probably focus on that rather than some stupid piece of paper.

At least if actually care about furthering LGBT rights.

[Cromarty]

Your last statement is false, lots of television shows these days include minorities. EastEnders, Coronation Street, Emmerdale, Hollyoaks, Neighbours, Home and Away, etc.

I said damn near. How many of those shitty sitcoms actually have them as main characters instead of just support characters for the white protagonists?

None of those are sitcoms.

[Zaras]

Goddamit, stop calling me a 'cis person'. I'm not a fucking molecule with hydrogens on the same side. I'm a human male!

A cis human male. Therefore, you're unqualified to talk about what's best for trans people.

You've got pretty low standards for 'societal oppression' if you think it includes checking Mr/Mrs on a piece of paper.

You've got pretty bad standards if you can't be arsed to read about intersectionality, gender discrimination and microaggressions, and can't see the problem with a non-gender-conforming person being forced to submit to a gender binary that they don't conform to.

No. Getting upset about checking a box on a piece of paper is what trivializes LGBT discrimination.

Getting upset that other people are getting upset about it is what trivialises LGBT discrimination. Which is what you've been doing.

Gay people face execution in Iran. There are many places where they face lynch mobs and stoning. THATS oppression.

Doesn't mean the UK is perfect. You can work on multiple issues at once.

There are more important issues than the title on some stupid form

There's this thing called multitasking, you heard of it?

Also, stop doing this:

http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/dera ... mportantly
http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/dera ... oppression

And stop doing this as well:

http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/dera ... #sensitive
http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/dera ... #disbelief

[Hydrarchia]

Cut 'em out, it means everybody can deal with the forms faster.

Because checking the box for "Mr" takes SUCH a long time.

You probably didn't notice my reply earlier... but yes, even excluding the issue of trans* rights, from a conservative perspective the check box is superfluous red tape. And I'm assuming, based on your forum comments you're a "cis" male, however I'm not a mind reader and when confronted with the government paperwork upon which you accidentally checked Ms. on the form how I'm I supposed to know that? Its hard enough Interpreting your crappy handwriting.

I'd actually imagine more 'cis' people are offended when they receive their reply forms addressing them by the honorific they misidentified upon their paperwork, than 'trans*' folks are annoyed at being confronted with an honorific checkbox.

[Alaje]

Liberals want everyone to be seen as "normal" even if they're actually ill or perverted.

You don't know shit about what normality, illness or perversion is. We should care about your opinion because...?

It's ok, we'll see what kind of freaks the next generations will be once trannies are seen as "perfectly fine". We'll have a bunch of people running around not knowing reality from some figment of their imagination and weirdos going around thinking they're flamingos and shit.
We'll see what way is correct in time.

[Zaras]

At least if actually care about furthering LGBT rights.

http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/dera ... mportantly <---- Cut it out.

[Zaras]

I said damn near. How many of those shitty sitcoms actually have them as main characters instead of just support characters for the white protagonists?

None of those are sitcoms.

I wanted to say soap operas, but I had doubts.

[Britannic Realms]

It seems to me that liberals wish to please very single group on the Earth

No, it's about ensuring that everyone is treated equally. Honorifics constitute blatant gender binary favouritism.

Titles are not discriminatory based on gender. If you are referring to 'Miss' and 'Mrs', let's take the following example;

Say I was in a bar or nightclub and I met a lovely lady who was very nice. Say that 'Miss' and 'Mrs' had been abolished in favour of 'Ms.'. Anyway, I take this lady home and we have a pleasant night, but in the morning she says "Oh, I must get home, my husband is expecting me." I wouldn't have know that she was married because everybody would be called 'Ms'.

About this binary thing. Let my clarify my view on it now. In my opinion, you are a male or female. You can swap between the two but you shall always be one. There is no middle ground. There is no 'third gender'. You were born as a male or female and you will die as a male or female. People who consider themselves 'transgender' should either chose male or female. That's my opinion.

[Souseiseki]

if we aren't being stoned, we can't complain about things that make life harder for us

cool

No. But if people ARE getting executed, then you should probably focus on that rather than some stupid piece of paper.

At least if actually care about furthering LGBT rights.

like i keep saying, i know it's crazy, but i subscribe to the multi-tasking school of thought

even though it's harder to change things in iran that in it is to change them at home, have you considered it's possible to make things easier at home and try and work at improving things over the world too? i'm not sure what local councils in brighton are supposed to do about iran, but i'm sure it'll be huge.

[Zaras]

e'll have a bunch of people running around not knowing reality from some figment of their imagination.

Like the figment of your imagination where transsexual persons are insane?

[Dumb Ideologies]

You don't know shit about what normality, illness or perversion is. We should care about your opinion because...?

It's ok, we'll see what kind of freaks the next generations will be once trannies are seen as "perfectly fine". We'll have a bunch of people running around not knowing reality from some figment of their imagination and weirdos going aroung thinking they're flamingos and shit.
We'll see what way is correct in time.

Finishing with a perfectly executed "slippery slope" fallacy.

The judges have got to be impressed with that.

[Saiwania]

Seriously, there's a fucking wealth of info about privilege on the Internet, and you're too lazy to look it up. There's more to privilege than whatever your example is supposed to mean because I'm not even sure what you're playing at there. Is it about how damn near every TV show is about pretty, rich, straight white people, and everybody else is shoved to the sidelines?

To heck with your privilege, you can whine about it all you want until the cows come home. I am not going to be ashamed of being part of a majority. I am going to embrace my heritage and culture and if minorities have a problem with that, perhaps they should become majorities themselves. No matter what, one group will always have certain advantages over another group. The only thing that changes is which group becomes more dominant.

[Zaras]

Say I was in a bar or nightclub and I met a lovely lady who was very nice. Say that 'Miss' and 'Mrs' had been abolished in favour of 'Ms.'. Anyway, I take this lady home and we have a pleasant night, but in the morning she says "Oh, I must get home, my husband is expecting me." I wouldn't have know that she was married because everybody would be called 'Ms'.

An anecdote that contributes nothing.

About this binary thing. Let my clarify my view on it now. In my opinion, you are a male or female. You can swap between the two but you shall always be one. There is no middle ground. There is no 'third gender'. You were born as a male or female and you will die as a male or female. People who consider themselves 'transgender' should either chose male or female. That's my opinion.

Your opinion is stupid and bigoted against non-gender-conforming persons, and you've basically committed this: http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/dera ... ion/#false in the process of saying that they should "choose".

[Souseiseki]

You don't know shit about what normality, illness or perversion is. We should care about your opinion because...?

It's ok, we'll see what kind of freaks the next generations will be once trannies are seen as "perfectly fine". We'll have a bunch of people running around not knowing reality from some figment of their imagination and weirdos going around thinking they're flamingos and shit.
We'll see what way is correct in time.

oh yeah totally, once we let the trannies in next we'll have dolphins n shit!!!

[Britannic Realms]

Your last statement is false, lots of television shows these days include minorities. EastEnders, Coronation Street, Emmerdale, Hollyoaks, Neighbours, Home and Away, etc.

I said damn near. How many of those shitty sitcoms actually have them as main characters instead of just support characters for the white protagonists?

There was that Citizen Khan thing on the BBC about a Pakistani family and there was The Indian Doctor a while back.

[Souseiseki]

Seriously, there's a fucking wealth of info about privilege on the Internet, and you're too lazy to look it up. There's more to privilege than whatever your example is supposed to mean because I'm not even sure what you're playing at there. Is it about how damn near every TV show is about pretty, rich, straight white people, and everybody else is shoved to the sidelines?

To heck with your privilege, you can whine about it all you want until the cows come home. I am not going to be ashamed of being part of a majority. I am going to embrace my heritage and culture and if minorities have a problem with that, perhaps they should become majorities themselves. No matter what, one group will always have certain advantages over another group. The only thing that changes is which group becomes more dominant.

it's not about being ashamed

it's about recognizing the advantages you have

just sayin'

[Zaras]

To heck with your privilege, you can whine about it all you want until the cows come home.

Wow, you're privileged.

I am not going to be ashamed of being part of a majority.

What is there to be proud of in being part of a majority? It's not an achivement, it's an accident of genetics and history.

I am going to embrace my heritage and culture and if minorities have a problem with that, perhaps they should become majorities themselves.

Ah, the smell of cluelessness in the evening.

[Delanshar]

Goddamit, stop calling me a 'cis person'. I'm not a fucking molecule with hydrogens on the same side. I'm a human male!

A cis human male. Therefore, you're unqualified to talk about what's best for trans people.

I guess this means you must be transgendered. Either that or just a massive hypocrite.