Gender titles to be scrapped in Brighton.

[Alaje]

Looks like someone failed biology.

Now now, you can't fail biology if you never take a biology class.

Not really, trannies just "think" they're the opposite gender-sex. They aren't actually the opposite gender-sex, they're ill.

[Laerod]

Now now, you can't fail biology if you never take a biology class.

Not really, trannies just "think" they're the opposite gender-sex. They aren't actually the opposite gender-sex, they're ill.

Even if that were true, to claim that one is always born as unambiguously male or female or that this cannot be changed is false. There's no wriggle room here. Brit is completely wrong in his statement.

[Pope Joan]

Let's do the same then for titles of nobility.

Lord and Lady can be conflated into Lordy.

Lordy Mountbatten.

Duke and Duchess can become Dukess.

The Dukess of Windsor.

[Britannic Realms]

But calling someone 'Mr' or 'Mrs' or 'Miss' is a sign of respect. If a company is writing to me I don't expect to be addressed by my first name, I expect to be addressed by Mr and then my surname.

Which is a reason to come up with a gender neutral honorific, or to accept use of your full name as being respectful. Not to refer to people by their gender and/or marital status.

But a gender neutral title is a bad idea. People won't know if they're addressing a man or a woman.

I don't quite understand what this is getting at.

Surely when one's spouse dies, one is no longer married to them, no?

Well, IMO, marriage only ends through divorce or annulment.

Like I've said before, it's a sign of respect.

A sign of respect which does not need to vary by gender and marital status.

I refer you to my earlier answer.

No, I don't mean to sound like the Mail but, political correctness has go too far. I don't see why the government feels compelled to please every single minority. They really ought to stop complaining and get on with their lives.

I guess they feel like they have to do right by all of the people as much as possible, not just the majority.

Well they should put a stop to that. The government has better things to do.

And too those people who are talking about biology. Show me proof that you are not born as a female or male, I want a reputable source. Nothing from Wikipedia or some small medical journal I've never heard of. I'm talking organisations like the W. H. O. or the British Medical Journal or something.

Show us proof one is born only male or female. Your claim, your burden.

You want to dispute my point. You show my evidence to the contrary.

P.S.: I am perfectly aware that people have transgender operations, but they are still male or female. My point is that there is no third gender.

[Ostroeuropa]

You want to dispute my point. You show my evidence to the contrary.

P.S.: I am perfectly aware that people have transgender operations, but they are still male or female. My point is that there is no third gender.

That isn't how things work.
You can't just scream prove me wrong.
YOU made a positive claim. The burden is on you. If you are incapable of doing so, then your point can be dismissed without argument.

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

Yeah you make an excellent point. How are we supposed to apply our biases efficiently if the targets aren't clearly identified. It's madness.

[Tyrants]

So hang on, what are kids going to call their teachers? They can't call them Sir or Miss as they're gender-specific, and calling them by their whole names will be disrespectful and silly.

[Zijeme]

calling them by their whole names will be disrespectful and silly.

Will it?

[Umbra Ac Silentium]

Go Brighton~
I hope this happens in more places. :3

[Britannic Realms]

You want to dispute my point. You show my evidence to the contrary.

P.S.: I am perfectly aware that people have transgender operations, but they are still male or female. My point is that there is no third gender.

That isn't how things work.
You can't just scream prove me wrong.
YOU made a positive claim. The burden is on you. If you are incapable of doing so, then your point can be dismissed without argument.

Alright,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/spe ... 447058.stm
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/ ... nd_female/
http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/ ... 5.abstract

There you go.

[Ifreann]

Let's do the same then for titles of nobility.

Lord and Lady can be conflated into Lordy.

Lordy Mountbatten.

Duke and Duchess can become Dukess.

The Dukess of Windsor.

I'm okay with this.

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Which is a reason to come up with a gender neutral honorific, or to accept use of your full name as being respectful. Not to refer to people by their gender and/or marital status.

But a gender neutral title is a bad idea. People won't know if they're addressing a man or a woman.

So what? And similarly, so what if people can't tell if I'm married or not based on my title?

Surely when one's spouse dies, one is no longer married to them, no?

Well, IMO, marriage only ends through divorce or annulment.

I can't imagine the law agrees.

I guess they feel like they have to do right by all of the people as much as possible, not just the majority.

Well they should put a stop to that. The government has better things to do.

Than dealing with the concerns of their constituents? Not really.

Show us proof one is born only male or female. Your claim, your burden.

You want to dispute my point. You show my evidence to the contrary.

Not how it's done here. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.

[Ostroeuropa]

That isn't how things work.
You can't just scream prove me wrong.
YOU made a positive claim. The burden is on you. If you are incapable of doing so, then your point can be dismissed without argument.

Alright,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/spe ... 447058.stm
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/ ... nd_female/
http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/ ... 5.abstract

There you go.

Not what you claimed.
There are only two sexes - undisputed
You are born one and remain that until you die - disputed.

Try again.

[Umbra Ac Silentium]

That isn't how things work.
You can't just scream prove me wrong.
YOU made a positive claim. The burden is on you. If you are incapable of doing so, then your point can be dismissed without argument.

Alright,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/spe ... 447058.stm
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/ ... nd_female/
http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/ ... 5.abstract

There you go.

Is somebody with XY Chromosomes and with functioning ovaries, uterus, vagina, ect. male or female?

[Souseiseki]

I find the proposal utterly ridiculous.

I was going to ask how many people read the article or put some thought into, but then I realized it's a very very strong signal that the OP talks about "The fact of the matter is that you are male or female, there is simply no discussion. You are born as a male or female and you will be male or female until you die." and the next poster is our favourite liberal hating "anti-trannie" and they probably don't just give a shit about how people feel or what effect things have on people because IT'S POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD STU.

SURE THIS ISSUE AFFECTS PEOPLE LIVES IN SERIOUS WAYS DAILY, BUT IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME. WHY SHOULD IT GET CHANGED? I DON'T SEE THE PROBLEM. IT'S MAD!

Ironically this type of thinking is the essence of Liberal thought, something some posters would do well to remember.

The fact of the matter is that you are male or female, there is simply no discussion.

I'd press more based on other cultures, professionals and people that have spent their entire lives actually thinking about this issue instead of getting real mad that the term "Ms" exists but frankly, sorry to the Argentinean posters, but I'm not sure I could handle the Catholic News Agency and their Argentine doctors.

You are born as a male or female and you will be male or female until you die.

Same for this, really.

What the hell to they propose putting on letters instead of 'Mr', 'Mrs' or 'Miss'?

Their name.

The introduction of 'Ms' was bad enough, you're either married or you're not (you're technically still married if you're a widow), there's no middle ground.

I... Are you seriously mad about that?

What do you think, should we succumb to political correctness once again?

Yes. We can weigh up the feelings of the people that are seriously affected by this, or we can weigh up the feelings of people who spend their time reading the Daily Mail and getting really angry over political correctness gone mad and how people reffer to married women.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGAOCVwLrXo

I agree, it's stupid and pointless.

There are some people that don't even like signing up to Facebook because they're forced to choose Male/Female. It's cute really. Except it's not.

But calling someone 'Mr' or 'Mrs' or 'Miss' is a sign of respect. If a company is writing to me I don't expect to be addressed by my first name, I expect to be addressed by Mr and then my surname.

You could have a special box for CALL ME MR. Go complain to them!!!

No, I don't mean to sound like the Mail but, political correctness has go too far. I don't see why the government feels compelled to please every single minority. They really ought to stop complaining and get on with their lives.

I don't see why the government should be compelled to please you complaining about political correctness gone mad. People being forced to choose between genders on forms actually fucking hurts people. How are you affected by this issue? Will you feel less respected? Will you get a bit sad? How can people get on with their lives if they struggle to fill out a fucking form?

The local council in Brighton represents all liberals the world over. Or, they will once the latest update propagates throughout the Hive Mind.

It's him. He's the Liberal. He just doesn't realize it yet.

Not really, trannies just "think" they're the opposite gender-sex. They aren't actually the opposite gender-sex, they're ill.

"think" my arse.

But yes, hmm, let's pretend it is an illness... What's the treatment that's most recommended by and found to be most effective by a significant number of/most psychiatric professionals?

But a gender neutral title is a bad idea. People won't know if they're addressing a man or a woman.

Who cares? Do you desperately need to know that information?

So hang on, what are kids going to call their teachers? They can't call them Sir or Miss as they're gender-specific, and calling them by their whole names will be disrespectful and silly.

As a revolutionary idea, we could ask the teachers what they want to be called. Or they could call them their names... *shudder* What a horrible thought...

[Laerod]

Well, IMO, marriage only ends through divorce or annulment.

Neither of which receive any sort of recognition in traditional western marriage vows, completely and utterly opposed to the more common "till death do us part". Your opinion is ridiculous.

[Souseiseki]

Now now, you can't fail biology if you never take a biology class.

Not really, trannies just "think" they're the opposite gender-sex. They aren't actually the opposite gender-sex, they're ill.

but since we're on the theme of political correctness gone me you're aware trannies is a bit of a slur rite

[Kachilla]

I think it's a bit far fetched to remove pre-existing gender titles, but I think it would be a good idea to add a gender neutral title or a title for someone who is technically both genders.

[Indira]

A stupid and pointless waste of money

[Ostroeuropa]

Not really, trannies just "think" they're the opposite gender-sex. They aren't actually the opposite gender-sex, they're ill.

but since we're on the theme of political correctness gone me you're aware trannies is a bit of a slur rite

It's a contraction. People get upset over the stupidest things.

[Cestallo]

I don't really care as long as they don't force this onto businesses or individuals

[New Edom]

The name of the person one is writing to, obviously. But more likely they don't propose anything because removing gendered titles from official forms and what not doesn't mean that it's illegal to use gendered titles.

But calling someone 'Mr' or 'Mrs' or 'Miss' is a sign of respect. If a company is writing to me I don't expect to be addressed by my first name, I expect to be addressed by Mr and then my surname.

What? Surely not.

I don't quite understand what this is getting at.

There's also no actual need to attach different titles to people based on their gender or marital status.

Like I've said before, it's a sign of respect.

Of course you should, and the rest of the world should follow suit.

No, I don't mean to sound like the Mail but, political correctness has go too far. I don't see why the government feels compelled to please every single minority. They really ought to stop complaining and get on with their lives.

And too those people who are talking about biology. Show me proof that you are not born as a female or male, I want a reputable source. Nothing from Wikipedia or some small medical journal I've never heard of. I'm talking organisations like the W. H. O. or the British Medical Journal or something.

This is all quite true. Frankly, liberals are stupid when it comes to the issue of respect. They seem to have no idea how respect is actually established.

For example: schools. it's not much, but having respect for being an adult requires you to say "Mr." or "Mrs.". And honestly, if women don't like "Miss or Mrs" they can go with "Ms." generally, that's not a bad compromise.

[Saiwania]

I wouldn't mind the inclusion of a gender neutral title, so long as the existing gender specific titles aren't removed. I expect to be able to be addressed as Mr. if I so choose. Why should a loud minority (gender queer individuals) being offended impede on the ability of people who aren't offended by traditional titles to use them?

[Souseiseki]

But calling someone 'Mr' or 'Mrs' or 'Miss' is a sign of respect. If a company is writing to me I don't expect to be addressed by my first name, I expect to be addressed by Mr and then my surname.



I don't quite understand what this is getting at.



Like I've said before, it's a sign of respect.



No, I don't mean to sound like the Mail but, political correctness has go too far. I don't see why the government feels compelled to please every single minority. They really ought to stop complaining and get on with their lives.

And too those people who are talking about biology. Show me proof that you are not born as a female or male, I want a reputable source. Nothing from Wikipedia or some small medical journal I've never heard of. I'm talking organisations like the W. H. O. or the British Medical Journal or something.

This is all quite true. Frankly, liberals are stupid when it comes to the issue of respect. They seem to have no idea how respect is actually established.

For example: schools. it's not much, but having respect for being an adult requires you to say "Mr." or "Mrs.". And honestly, if women don't like "Miss or Mrs" they can go with "Ms." generally, that's not a bad compromise.

i've seen kids in college and they see to have a lot of respect for adults, yet no mr./mrs.

it was all very confusing, but i've gotten used to them. stoners.

[Alaje]

Not really, trannies just "think" they're the opposite gender-sex. They aren't actually the opposite gender-sex, they're ill.

but since we're on the theme of political correctness gone me you're aware trannies is a bit of a slur rite

I'm aware of this, yes, but that is not the manner in which I was intending for it to be taken. To me it's just like calling a homosexual "gay".

[Gressallia]

I don't think so.

Imagine, if a company was sorting a database, a man and a woman are both called Charlie. Due to the none specific titles for gender the wrong information could be sent out.