Gender titles to be scrapped in Brighton.

[Mavorpen]

My apologies. Your argument is thus, "It meets every requirement because I say it does."

Yeah that's about it. Of course I say it does because it's observably true but that's really secondary.

That's nice, now actually prove it, instead of claiming that you have for the past 5 pages.

[Woffordia]

Oh, there you go again with that crap. Stop comparing transgendered persons to people who are ill. You don't get to decide what an appropriate mental or physical state is, especially since you can't tell that using conservapedia in a debate is an automatic loss for you.

Yes, but I'm supposed to take your word on everything right? Liberal is correct because Liberal is correct, amirite?

No credible medical specialist or therapist would call them ill. This is not a matter of being "liberal", it is a matter of being decent. We can keep gender titles, just stop calling them ill and respect their right to do as like to their own bodies, especially as it harms no one and makes them happy. If they look like the opposite sex, have the parts of the opposite sex, talk like them, have the same hormones, and wear the same clothes, then they are the opposite sex.

[Des-Bal]

That's nice, now actually prove it, instead of claiming that you have for the past 5 pages.

I find humoring stall tactics like this generally derails threads so you're welcome to read through those five pages again but I'm not addressing it any further.

[Mavorpen]

That's nice, now actually prove it, instead of claiming that you have for the past 5 pages.

I find humoring stall tactics like this generally derails threads so you're welcome to read through those five pages again but I'm not addressing it any further.

So in other words, you don't have any evidence. By the Emperor, we've won!

[Des-Bal]

No credible medical specialist or therapist would call them ill. This is not a matter of being "liberal", it is a matter of being decent. We can keep gender titles, just stop calling them ill and respect their right to do as like to their own bodies, especially as it harms no one and makes them happy. If they look like the opposite sex, have the parts of the opposite sex, talk like them, have the same hormones, and wear the same clothes, then they are the opposite sex.

That's the problem, no it isn't. You can't say someone isn't ill just because it upsets them.

[Mavorpen]

No credible medical specialist or therapist would call them ill. This is not a matter of being "liberal", it is a matter of being decent. We can keep gender titles, just stop calling them ill and respect their right to do as like to their own bodies, especially as it harms no one and makes them happy. If they look like the opposite sex, have the parts of the opposite sex, talk like them, have the same hormones, and wear the same clothes, then they are the opposite sex.

That's the problem, no it isn't. You can't say someone isn't ill just because it upsets them.

And you can't say they are just because you feel like they are.

[Delanshar]

Yes, but I'm supposed to take your word on everything right? Liberal is correct because Liberal is correct, amirite?

No credible medical specialist or therapist would call them ill. This is not a matter of being "liberal", it is a matter of being decent. We can keep gender titles, just stop calling them ill and respect their right to do as like to their own bodies, especially as it harms no one and makes them happy. If they look like the opposite sex, have the parts of the opposite sex, talk like them, have the same hormones, and wear the same clothes, then they are the opposite sex.

Personally, I'm fine with them being able to do what they want.

But likewise they should respect common social conventions like Mr/Mrs. Mutual respect is important for any society. And the best way to show respect is to not try and impose your will on other people. Thus people should be allowed to have Mr/Mrs on a form if they want. And transgendered can either get separate forms or have the titles be optional or smth.

[Des-Bal]

So in other words, you don't have any evidence. By the Emperor, we've won!

So in other words Hitler made excellent cherry tarts? I don't see how that's relevant to the conversation.

If you have to start a sentence "in other words" you have nothing of value to say. I've already stated my opinion and explained why transgenderism meets the criteria to be considered a defect there's nothing left to discuss about it.

[Alaje]

Yes, but I'm supposed to take your word on everything right? Liberal is correct because Liberal is correct, amirite?

No credible medical specialist or therapist would call them ill. This is not a matter of being "liberal", it is a matter of being decent. We can keep gender titles, just stop calling them ill and respect their right to do as like to their own bodies, especially as it harms no one and makes them happy. If they look like the opposite sex, have the parts of the opposite sex, talk like them, have the same hormones, and wear the same clothes, then they are the opposite sex.

Happy? Decent? If your happiness is derived from attempting to make a delusion reality, than it must be suppressed. It isn't decent to feed into the fantasies of the mentally ill.

[Saiwania]

If they look like the opposite sex, have the parts of the opposite sex, talk like them, have the same hormones, and wear the same clothes, then they are the opposite sex.

I'm quite simply not tolerant enough for that, I don't think I would ever be able to think of a transsexual person as anything other than the sex they were born as in the back of my mind.

[Des-Bal]

Happy? Decent? If your happiness is derived from attempting to make a delusion reality, than it must be suppressed. It isn't decent to feed into the fantasies of the mentally ill.

Religion.

[Woffordia]

No credible medical specialist or therapist would call them ill. This is not a matter of being "liberal", it is a matter of being decent. We can keep gender titles, just stop calling them ill and respect their right to do as like to their own bodies, especially as it harms no one and makes them happy. If they look like the opposite sex, have the parts of the opposite sex, talk like them, have the same hormones, and wear the same clothes, then they are the opposite sex.

That's the problem, no it isn't. You can't say someone isn't ill just because it upsets them.

Read the non-underlined portion.

[Delanshar]

Happy? Decent? If your happiness is derived from attempting to make a delusion reality, than it must be suppressed. It isn't decent to feed into the fantasies of the mentally ill.

Religion.

Edit: Except Islam of course, they are the religion of Peace (and don't you forget it- or else)

[Des-Bal]

If they look like the opposite sex, have the parts of the opposite sex, talk like them, have the same hormones, and wear the same clothes, then they are the opposite sex.

I'm quite simply not tolerant enough for that, I don't think I would ever be able to think of a transsexual person as anything other than the sex they were born as in the back of my mind.

I don't consider the sex to have actually changed, I recognize the persons gender identity as independent from their sex but I consider sex to be based on genes.

[Alaje]

Happy? Decent? If your happiness is derived from attempting to make a delusion reality, than it must be suppressed. It isn't decent to feed into the fantasies of the mentally ill.

Religion.

I'm glad you agree.

[Des-Bal]

Read the non-underlined portion.

I did, this isn't about respect or how people want to live their lives.

[Mavorpen]

So in other words Hitler made excellent cherry tarts? I don't see how that's relevant to the conversation.

Evidence isn't relevant to this discussion?

If you have to start a sentence "in other words" you have nothing of value to say. I've already stated my opinion and explained why transgenderism meets the criteria to be considered a defect there's nothing left to discuss about it.

Oh yes, you've explained it. You literally said, "Because they are imperfect." You then refuse to define what perfect is, and completely ignore the fact that most psychologists and the people in the medical field don't even use the word "defect," they use disorder, because the word defect is so vague that it's entirely subjective. When it comes to medicine, what distinguishes a disorder from a non-disorder is if functioning is affected. You've STILL not given an actual argument explaining how functioning is affected. The closest you came was giving a circular argument.

>Functioning is affected because they desire to get surgery.
>They desire this because of their functioning being affected.

You've YET to realize that you can't prove that they have a defect, because the definition of defect is literally up in the air about what it means. You've YET to actually prove that functioning is affected in any significant way.

So please, do us a favor and stop pretending like you've contributed anything to this discussion that is groundbreaking.

[Woffordia]

If they look like the opposite sex, have the parts of the opposite sex, talk like them, have the same hormones, and wear the same clothes, then they are the opposite sex.

I'm quite simply not tolerant enough for that, I don't think I would ever be able to think of a transsexual person as anything other than the sex they were born as in the back of my mind.

If you did not know they were transexual, and you saw them walking down the street, you would think they were the opposite sex. And you should work on your tolerance.

[Souseiseki]

No credible medical specialist or therapist would call them ill. This is not a matter of being "liberal", it is a matter of being decent. We can keep gender titles, just stop calling them ill and respect their right to do as like to their own bodies, especially as it harms no one and makes them happy. If they look like the opposite sex, have the parts of the opposite sex, talk like them, have the same hormones, and wear the same clothes, then they are the opposite sex.

Happy? Decent? If your happiness is derived from attempting to make a delusion reality, than it must be suppressed. It isn't decent to feed into the fantasies of the mentally ill.

So again, you're telling me in a world where babies are born with deformed genitals, multiple genitals, no brains, no arms and penises on their heads and XXY XXXYY XXXXX XO XX male etc. etc. that it's literally impossible for the genitals to ever be mismatched and everyone is just delusional? Is that what you're saying?

Keep in mind there no cases of babies being born with anything resembling a flamingos body.

hey did you ever answer this one i can't remember

[Mavorpen]

Happy? Decent? If your happiness is derived from attempting to make a delusion reality, than it must be suppressed. It isn't decent to feed into the fantasies of the mentally ill.

Do you know what a delusion is? Have you EVER even looked at a dictionary?

[Zaras]

Steel Magnolia's sig is pertinent to the discussion at hand.

A fact which you would only learn by reading it. My point is that I don't just read everyone's sig for fun.

Anyway, if your complaining about me not reading someones sig then I think it's fair to say you've run out of legitimate rebuttals about the actual topic at hand.

You're confusing complaining about it with using it to illustrate a point.

[Woffordia]

Read the non-underlined portion.

I did, this isn't about respect or how people want to live their lives.

Did you read the part about how no therapist or medical worker would call them ill? If they are not defined as ill by the people who define illness, it stands to reason they are not ill.

[Zaras]

Oh, there you go again with that crap. Stop comparing transgendered persons to people who are ill. You don't get to decide what an appropriate mental or physical state is, especially since you can't tell that using conservapedia in a debate is an automatic loss for you.

You keep doing that "you did this thing therefore everything else you have to say is invalid." It's immature and it's not advancing the dialogue.

Bringing Conservapedia into a discussion also doesn't do anything to advance dialogue.

[The Steel Magnolia]

I'm quite simply not tolerant enough for that, I don't think I would ever be able to think of a transsexual person as anything other than the sex they were born as in the back of my mind.

I don't consider the sex to have actually changed, I recognize the persons gender identity as independent from their sex but I consider sex to be based on genes.

And you'd be incorrect.

[Zaras]

Oh, there you go again with that crap. Stop comparing transgendered persons to people who are ill. You don't get to decide what an appropriate mental or physical state is, especially since you can't tell that using conservapedia in a debate is an automatic loss for you.

Yes, but I'm supposed to take your word on everything right? Liberal is correct because Liberal is correct, amirite?

You've consistently failed to prove anything of what you've claimed in the thread, and now you try to weasel out by saying you should take my word on everything. Yeah, suuuuuuuuuure, that's exactly what I'm saying.