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Should gender neutral titles be introduced?

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No
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Zaras
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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:10 pm

North California wrote:
Zaras wrote:
Because you have enough privilege to think this isn't important to you.


No, because politicians shouldn't be paid to sit around and talk about titles all day.


If politicians get this passed, they'll have more time to deal with more pressing issues. The only reason they might be stuck on it is because of certain people.

You have degenerated into meaningless posts with stuck up elitism without actually making an argument.


And you know this because...?

Rather than argue, you just make perceived, rather idiotic opinions about me.


You put in your signature things like "I support Ludwig von Mises" and then get angry at people for forming opinions about you? How does that work? And your opinions are somehow perfect because...?
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Postby Delanshar » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:10 pm

Zaras wrote:
Delanshar wrote:
Your autistic? Or Transgender?


You could try reading Steel Magnolia's signature...


I could. Whats your point.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:11 pm

Zaras wrote:Dude, it's not my fucking job to educate you on transgenderism. Do it yourself.

But seriously, do you realise how stupid your post is? Do you think transgendered people consciously decide to become a minority that has been marginalised and mistreated for most of history and is still treated like shit in many ways today for the lulz?

And FFS, listen to Mav.

That was the point. If it's not a choice it's something concrete that's occurring in the mind.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:11 pm

North California wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:i'm going to guess that's because you've never had to seriously sit and choose between them

so in short, man who is not affected by what title is used doesn't see what titled is used is important. yawn.


If someone can't chose between them, they could just ignore it and move it. If you're not a man, don't go by mister. If you're not a woman, don't use misses or miss. If you are neither man or women, then just leave it blank. Nobody is going to give a shit.

I wasn't aware we were allowed to leave non-optional sections of government forms blank?

I guarantee you someone will give a shit/
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:11 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:They don't.
You do realize that going by your use of general dictionaries, you concede that your opinion is purely subjective, right? Perfection is subjective. In other words, by choosing the general dictionary, you're admitting you're full of shit.


I was using a general term in one particular post every post prior and after was using defect in a fashion that would meet your definition. Speaking of I'd like to see the exact definition your using.

FABULOUS dodge of 95% of my post explaining that if you use the general dictionary, you're basically admitting that your view is subjective and therefore has no ground on absolute truth.
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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:11 pm

Delanshar wrote:
Zaras wrote:
You could try reading Steel Magnolia's signature...


I could. Whats your point.


My point is that you're proving my accusations that you frequently neglect to actually read posts.
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:12 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Zaras wrote:Dude, it's not my fucking job to educate you on transgenderism. Do it yourself.

But seriously, do you realise how stupid your post is? Do you think transgendered people consciously decide to become a minority that has been marginalised and mistreated for most of history and is still treated like shit in many ways today for the lulz?

And FFS, listen to Mav.

That was the point. If it's not a choice it's something concrete that's occurring in the mind.


And therefore we should call them all crazy and treat them like inhuman monsters! </sarcasm>
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby North California » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:12 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
North California wrote:
If someone can't chose between them, they could just ignore it and move it. If you're not a man, don't go by mister. If you're not a woman, don't use misses or miss. If you are neither man or women, then just leave it blank. Nobody is going to give a shit.

I wasn't aware we were allowed to leave non-optional sections of government forms blank?

I guarantee you someone will give a shit/


Make them optional?
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:13 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Zaras wrote:Dude, it's not my fucking job to educate you on transgenderism. Do it yourself.

But seriously, do you realise how stupid your post is? Do you think transgendered people consciously decide to become a minority that has been marginalised and mistreated for most of history and is still treated like shit in many ways today for the lulz?

And FFS, listen to Mav.

That was the point. If it's not a choice it's something concrete that's occurring in the mind.

Please, stop using arguments from a scientific viewpoint (ie the brain) if you're not going to use medical definitions.
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Postby Delanshar » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:13 pm

Zaras wrote:
Delanshar wrote:
I could. Whats your point.


My point is that you're proving my accusations that you frequently neglect to actually read posts.


A sig isn't a post, smartass
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:13 pm

North California wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:I wasn't aware we were allowed to leave non-optional sections of government forms blank?

I guarantee you someone will give a shit/


Make them optional?

Are you 100% sure you wouldn't complain about politicians wasting tax pounds if they passed a law making it optional?
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Postby Grand Britannia » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:13 pm

North California wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:I wasn't aware we were allowed to leave non-optional sections of government forms blank?

I guarantee you someone will give a shit/


Make them optional?


Would be the ideal thing, really.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:14 pm

Mavorpen wrote:FABULOUS dodge of 95% of my post explaining that if you use the general dictionary, you're basically admitting that your view is subjective and therefore has no ground on absolute truth.


I didn't dodge it I'm telling you that in one instance I used defect in a different way. It has no bearing on any other post. Each and every other use of the word defect was in the medical sense. The point was when I said "something happening that shouldn't be is a defect" I wasn't using the medical definition.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:15 pm

Zaras wrote:
And therefore we should call them all crazy and treat them like inhuman monsters! </sarcasm>

Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. Exactly that.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:15 pm

Delanshar wrote:
Zaras wrote:
My point is that you're proving my accusations that you frequently neglect to actually read posts.


A sig isn't a post smartass


And yet:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Delanshar wrote:
Your autistic? Or Transgender?


Transgendered, myself.



Whoops.

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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:15 pm

Delanshar wrote:
Zaras wrote:
My point is that you're proving my accusations that you frequently neglect to actually read posts.


A sig isn't a post smartass


If you can't be arsed to read a sig, it's reasonable to doubt whether you can be arsed to read posts.
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:16 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Zaras wrote:
And therefore we should call them all crazy and treat them like inhuman monsters! </sarcasm>

Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. Exactly that.


Since you've called transgenderism a defect, yeah, you are saying they should be treated differently.
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:16 pm

Zaras wrote:
If you can't be arsed to read a sig, it's reasonable to doubt whether you can be arsed to read posts.


The difference is that a post is expected to be immediately relevant a sig is applied to every post regardless of whether or not it's pertinent to the discussion at hand.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:17 pm

Des-Bal wrote:I didn't dodge it I'm telling you that in one instance I used defect in a different way. It has no bearing on any other post. Each and every other use of the word defect was in the medical sense. The point was when I said "something happening that shouldn't be is a defect" I wasn't using the medical definition.

So then you're wrong? Because if you look at any definition of the word defect, there is no specification on what is "imperfect" or what is "perfect." That is outlined by the word disorder where function is used as a "line in the sand."
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Postby Delanshar » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:17 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Delanshar wrote:
A sig isn't a post smartass


And yet:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Transgendered, myself.



Whoops.

Yeah I read that, once you posted it. Just because I didn't see the importance of responding to it doesn't mean I didn't read it.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:17 pm

Zaras wrote:
Since you've called transgenderism a defect, yeah, you are saying they should be treated differently.


No I'm not. In fact the first thing I did was point out that defects are often benign.
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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:17 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Zaras wrote:
If you can't be arsed to read a sig, it's reasonable to doubt whether you can be arsed to read posts.


The difference is that a post is expected to be immediately relevant a sig is applied to every post regardless of whether or not it's pertinent to the discussion at hand.


Steel Magnolia's sig is pertinent to the discussion at hand.
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby North California » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:17 pm

Zaras wrote:
North California wrote:
No, because politicians shouldn't be paid to sit around and talk about titles all day.


If politicians get this passed, they'll have more time to deal with more pressing issues. The only reason they might be stuck on it is because of certain people.


They could ignore it.

Zaras wrote:And you know this because...?


Instead of making an argument, you just I'm "blundering into a thread and I'm privileged"

Zaras wrote:You put in your signature things like "I support Ludwig von Mises" and then get angry at people for forming opinions about you? How does that work? And your opinions are somehow perfect because...?


What does my signature have to do with anything. I'm not mad that you formed an opinion, I'm mad that they are based off of nothing really other than that I don't agree with you on politics, which is rather shallow.

I never said my opinions are perfect, but at least I don't them in everyone's face and talk about how they don't know shit about taxes and British pounds.
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Postby North California » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:18 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
North California wrote:
Make them optional?

Are you 100% sure you wouldn't complain about politicians wasting tax pounds if they passed a law making it optional?



Making it option is easier than banning the use of titles.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:19 pm

Zaras wrote:
Steel Magnolia's sig is pertinent to the discussion at hand.


But there's no reason to expect it to be so there's no reason to expect everyone to read it just in case.
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