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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:01 pm

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Love it. Now general dictionaries=medical dictionaries. You're trying so hard to be right, aren't you?


Right doesn't try, it just is. I was not ,in that post, using defect in the medical sense.
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Postby North California » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:02 pm

Zaras wrote:
North California wrote:Doesn't whoever passed this law have anything else to do? Seriously, those law makers have too much time on their hands.


And you have something to contribute to the discussion, surely?



Honestly, this law is rather stupid and doesn't contribute to anything. It's just a waste of paper and tax dollars.
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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:02 pm

Des-Bal wrote:Right doesn't try, it just is.


Ergo, since you're trying so hard, you're not right.
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Postby Delanshar » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:02 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Delanshar wrote:
Hey man, at least he knows one and isn't relying on the internet for all his info like most people here


Hey man, at least I am one.

So.


Your autistic? Or Transgender?
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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:02 pm

North California wrote:
Zaras wrote:
And you have something to contribute to the discussion, surely?



Honestly, this law is rather stupid and doesn't contribute to anything. It's just a waste of paper and tax dollars.


Tax pounds, dude. You're blundering into a forum and not even bothering to find out this takes place in the UK.
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:03 pm

Des-Bal wrote:So the surgery is just for fun, they don't actually need it to enjoy their lives.

They don't.
Des-Bal wrote:Sure you can especially when you aren't using medical definitions.

You do realize that going by your use of general dictionaries, you concede that your opinion is purely subjective, right? Perfection is subjective. In other words, by choosing the general dictionary, you're admitting you're full of shit.
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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:03 pm

Delanshar wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Hey man, at least I am one.

So.


Your autistic? Or Transgender?


You could try reading Steel Magnolia's signature...
Bythyrona wrote:
Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby North California » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:03 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
North California wrote:Doesn't whoever passed this law have anything else to do? Seriously, those law makers have too much time on their hands.

they should be working on all the law 24/7


I believe that there are more important things going on than the titles Mr., Mrs., and Ms.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:03 pm

"transgenderism is a defect."
"no it isn't. look at the proper definition."
"no i'm not using that definition. i want to use a non-medical definition."

Honestly, this law is rather stupid and doesn't contribute to anything. It's just a waste of paper and tax dollars.


IT'S POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD STU. SURE THIS ISSUE AFFECTS PEOPLE LIVES DAILY, BUT IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME. WHY SHOULD IT GET CHANGED? I DON'T SEE THE PROBLEM. IT'S MAD!
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:03 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Love it. Now general dictionaries=medical dictionaries. You're trying so hard to be right, aren't you?


Right doesn't try, it just is. I was not ,in that post, using defect in the medical sense.

Then you're in the wrong thread.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:03 pm

North California wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:they should be working on all the law 24/7


I believe that there are more important things going on than the titles Mr., Mrs., and Ms.


Because you have enough privilege to think this isn't important to you.
Bythyrona wrote:
Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:04 pm

Delanshar wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Hey man, at least I am one.

So.


Your autistic? Or Transgender?


Transgendered, myself.

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Souseiseki
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:05 pm

North California wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:they should be working on all the law 24/7


I believe that there are more important things going on than the titles Mr., Mrs., and Ms.

i'm going to guess that's because you've never had to seriously sit and choose between them

so in short, man who is not affected by what title is used doesn't see what titled is used is important. yawn.
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Postby North California » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:05 pm

Zaras wrote:
North California wrote:

Honestly, this law is rather stupid and doesn't contribute to anything. It's just a waste of paper and tax dollars.


Tax pounds, dude. You're blundering into a forum and not even bothering to find out this takes place in the UK.


I know this takes in the UK smart ass. How about instead of being a self-righteous snob about things, you realize that by dollar, I was referring to currency in general, not the dollars of particular country. Besides, tax dollars has a nicer ring to it than "tax pounds".
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Postby Delanshar » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:05 pm

Zaras wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:What causes transgenderism? It's either a conscious choice or it's something going on with the brain. If it's not something that's supposed to happen it's a defect.


Dude, it's not my fucking job to educate you on transgenderism. Do it yourself.

But seriously, do you realise how stupid your post is? Do you think transgendered people consciously decide to become a minority that has been marginalised and mistreated for most of history and is still treated like shit in many ways today for the lulz?



Your not transgendered. You have no idea what goes on in their head. So your not really in much of position to refute what he says and call it stupid since unless your a mind reader you don't know either.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:06 pm

Delanshar wrote:Your not transgendered. You have no idea what goes on in their head. So your not really in much of position to refute what he says and call it stupid since unless your a mind reader you don't know either.

There's this great new invention called talking. People tend to do it when they want to understand a person's feelings or points easily.

In other words, maybe he's TALKED to transgendered people?
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Postby New Waterford » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:07 pm

I bloody hope not. I live there!
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Postby North California » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:08 pm

Zaras wrote:
North California wrote:
I believe that there are more important things going on than the titles Mr., Mrs., and Ms.


Because you have enough privilege to think this isn't important to you.



No, because politicians shouldn't be paid to sit around and talk about titles all day.

You have degenerated into meaningless posts with stuck up elitism without actually making an argument. Rather than argue, you just make perceived, rather idiotic opinions about me.
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Postby Alaje » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:08 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Alaje wrote:
Ok then, if I don't know what a Liberal is then why don't you tell me?


I'm convinced that you aren't a flamingo. Flamingos have the sense to actually read the posts of the people they are arguing against.


I agree as your definition is in line with traditional Progressivism-Liberalism, but I believe where we disagree is on what boundaries that "freedom" applies to.

North California wrote:
Alaje wrote:
Ok then, if I don't know what a Liberal is then why don't you tell me?



In America: Liberal is someone who center-left
In Europe: Liberal is someone who is a capitalist.


American Liberals are capitalist as well.
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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:08 pm

Delanshar wrote:Your not transgendered. You have no idea what goes on in their head.


There's this thing called second-hand knowledge. You might know about it.

So your not really in much of position to refute what he says and call it stupid since unless your a mind reader you don't know either.


I might not know first-hand, but I've found out about it from other people.
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:08 pm

New Waterford wrote:I bloody hope not. I live there!


And you're supposed to be pro-LGBT?
Bythyrona wrote:
Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:09 pm

Alaje wrote:I agree as your definition is in line with traditional Progressivism-Liberalism, but I believe where we disagree is on what boundaries that "freedom" applies to.

Cool. Then stop generalizing all liberals.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby North California » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:09 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
North California wrote:
I believe that there are more important things going on than the titles Mr., Mrs., and Ms.

i'm going to guess that's because you've never had to seriously sit and choose between them

so in short, man who is not affected by what title is used doesn't see what titled is used is important. yawn.


If someone can't chose between them, they could just ignore it and move it. If you're not a man, don't go by mister. If you're not a woman, don't use misses or miss. If you are neither man or women, then just leave it blank. Nobody is going to give a shit.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:09 pm

North California wrote:
Zaras wrote:
Because you have enough privilege to think this isn't important to you.



No, because politicians shouldn't be paid to sit around and talk about titles all day.

You have degenerated into meaningless posts with stuck up elitism without actually making an argument. Rather than argue, you just make perceived, rather idiotic opinions about me.

So what should the people that have no choice but to sit around and think about titles regularly do?

Are you going to tell me that you do have problems filling out forms because of the titles? Because that might change things. Otherwise his opinion seems pretty spot on!
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:09 pm

Mavorpen wrote:They don't.
You do realize that going by your use of general dictionaries, you concede that your opinion is purely subjective, right? Perfection is subjective. In other words, by choosing the general dictionary, you're admitting you're full of shit.


I was using a general term in one particular post every post prior and after was using defect in a fashion that would meet your definition. Speaking of I'd like to see the exact definition your using.
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Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
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