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Should gender neutral titles be introduced?

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No
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Alaje
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Postby Alaje » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:43 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Alaje wrote:
Another liberal trait is rearing its head, block out anything from the opposition even if it bears truth.

That's literally impossible, because liberalism is about equality and liberty. It's impossible for this to occur if change doesn't occur. It's impossible for change to occur unless new ideas are proposed and listened to.

Therefore your generalizations expose your inability to look at simple definitions; instead you choose to remain punching at the air, screaming, "I HATE U!"


Liberalism is like a cancer from within Progessivism. Instead of seeking out change where it is needed it sniffs out non-issues simply for change's sake, not for any actually productive purpose. Progressivism is the way forward, yes, but Liberalism is a tumor on that cause that must be removed.
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Postby Delanshar » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:43 am

Zaras wrote:
Implying that being transgendered is equivalent to being autistic or bipolar automatically means you have no credibility.


Hey man, at least he knows one and isn't relying on the internet for all his info like most people here
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:44 am

Alaje wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:let's suppose through a genetic fuck up, someone was born with mismatched genitals

your solution to that would be to tell them to deal with it, the brain is a slave to the body?


Yes, same with a retard, same with a schizo, same with a flamingo-person, same with person that thinks they're fat but really aren't. Feeding into people's delusions is counterproductive.

So again, you're telling me in a world where babies are born with deformed genitals, multiple genitals, no brains, no arms and penises on their headsand XXY XXXYY XXXXX XO XX male etc. etc. that it's literally impossible for the genitals to ever be mismatched and everyone is just delusional? Is that what you're saying?

Keep in mind there no cases of babies being born with anything resembling a flamingos body.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:44 am

Zaras wrote:You also have a problem with making stupid posts lacking in empathy that compare transgenderism to a defect, btw.


There's a difference between having no empathy and not letting empathy change your perception of reality. I'm not comparing transgenderism to a defect I'm saying it's a defect.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:45 am

Alaje wrote:Liberalism is like a cancer from within Progessivism.

Okay?
Alaje wrote:Instead of seeking out change where it is needed it sniffs out non-issues simply for change's sake, not for any actually productive purpose.

So you DON'T know the definition of liberalism. It's not about change, it's about liberty and equality. If a nation is equal and liberty is espoused, the country wouldn't need to change. However, those that support this nation would be liberals, while those who want to change this and go back to a time where equality and liberty was less wouldn't be.
Alaje wrote:Progressivism is the way forward, yes, but Liberalism is a tumor on that cause that must be removed.

Learn the definition of liberalism, THEN you can whine like a child about how ebul it is.
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Alaje
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Postby Alaje » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:45 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Unless it affects the functioning of the person, it's not. Last time I checked, these people are functioning members of society who feel as though they should be another gender.

I have a defect that prevents me from writing easilly. I'm a functioning member of society who has bad handwriting. It's still a defect.


Yup, exactly. Next thing we'll be having retards for accountants. :rofl:
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Des-Bal
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:46 am

Mavorpen wrote:Dear gods, nice straw man. I said if it doesn't affect the functioning of the person, then it's not a disorder or defect. Your "defect" affects your functioning.


I take about three seconds longer to sign my name on things, they feel uncomfortable in their own skin often requiring expensive surgeries and hormone treatments.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:46 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Zaras wrote:You also have a problem with making stupid posts lacking in empathy that compare transgenderism to a defect, btw.


There's a difference between having no empathy and not letting empathy change your perception of reality. I'm not comparing transgenderism to a defect I'm saying it's a defect.

Except it's not. You want it to be? Go to the psychological agencies of the world and present your case.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:47 am

Alaje wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:I have a defect that prevents me from writing easilly. I'm a functioning member of society who has bad handwriting. It's still a defect.


Yup, exactly. Next thing we'll be having retards for accountants. :rofl:

hurrrr doze retards could never get a job specially not a mathy number job for smart people amirite gaiz
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:47 am

Alaje wrote:
Yup, exactly. Next thing we'll be having retards for accountants. :rofl:


Please keep your ideas as far away from mine as possible.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:47 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Dear gods, nice straw man. I said if it doesn't affect the functioning of the person, then it's not a disorder or defect. Your "defect" affects your functioning.


I take about three seconds longer to sign my name on things, they feel uncomfortable in their own skin often requiring expensive surgeries and hormone treatments.

That's nice. Now explain how this affects the functioning of the person.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:48 am

Mavorpen wrote:Except it's not. You want it to be? Go to the psychological agencies of the world and present your case.


I'm not saying they call it a defect I'm saying that it is. Honestly the classification is, in my opinion, due more to a desire to be politically correct than any actual empirical evidence.
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Zaras
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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:48 am

Alaje wrote:Liberalism is like a cancer from within Progessivism. Instead of seeking out change where it is needed it sniffs out non-issues simply for change's sake, not for any actually productive purpose. Progressivism is the way forward, yes, but Liberalism is a tumor on that cause that must be removed.


Dude, you should put more thought into your posts instead of just screaming "BURN THE HERETIC!".

Delanshar wrote:Hey man, at least he knows one and isn't relying on the internet for all his info like most people here


"At least he knows one!" isn't an argument.

Des-Bal wrote:
Zaras wrote:You also have a problem with making stupid posts lacking in empathy that compare transgenderism to a defect, btw.


There's a difference between having no empathy and not letting empathy change your perception of reality. I'm not comparing transgenderism to a defect I'm saying it's a defect.


It actually isn't. That's a crank opinion.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:49 am

Dinahia wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:Just add....

A gender neutral title...

To the list...

There's no point in eliminating the rest.

There's even less of a point in keeping any of them.


Why?

Some people like them, some don't. Why are we supposed to scrap them when we can just add more if a small group feels uncomfortable with them.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:49 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Except it's not. You want it to be? Go to the psychological agencies of the world and present your case.


I'm not saying they call it a defect I'm saying that it is. Honestly the classification is, in my opinion, due more to a desire to be politically correct than any actual empirical evidence.

Then show that it is. You've failed to do so at all.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:49 am

Delanshar wrote:
Zaras wrote:
Implying that being transgendered is equivalent to being autistic or bipolar automatically means you have no credibility.


Hey man, at least he knows one and isn't relying on the internet for all his info like most people here


Hey man, at least I am one.

So.

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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:49 am

Mavorpen wrote:That's nice. Now explain how this affects the functioning of the person.


That stuff I just said?
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Zaras
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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:50 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:That's nice. Now explain how this affects the functioning of the person.


That stuff I just said?


Oh, that stuff that doesn't actually prove anything. Yeah, that totally helps your case.
Bythyrona wrote:
Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:51 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:That's nice. Now explain how this affects the functioning of the person.


That stuff I just said?

Try again. Getting a sex change doesn't hinder your functioning.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Alaje
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Postby Alaje » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:52 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Alaje wrote:
Yup, exactly. Next thing we'll be having retards for accountants. :rofl:


Please keep your ideas as far away from mine as possible.


It's ok with me, I'd rather not be associated with liberal capitalists.
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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:52 am

Alaje wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Please keep your ideas as far away from mine as possible.


It's ok with me, I'd rather not be associated with liberal capitalists.


Or people who don't hate the transgendered.
Bythyrona wrote:
Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:52 am

Alaje wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Please keep your ideas as far away from mine as possible.


It's ok with me, I'd rather not be associated with liberal capitalists.

Des-Bal isn't a liberal, last time I checked. You don't even know how to identify liberals and you expect people to take you seriously?
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"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:52 am

Zaras wrote:Oh, that stuff that doesn't actually prove anything. Yeah, that totally helps your case.


I'd say it does. The problem is you've already formed an opinion and you can't decouple the idea that transgenderism is a defect and transphobia.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:53 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Alaje wrote:
It's ok with me, I'd rather not be associated with liberal capitalists.

Des-Bal isn't a liberal. You don't even know how to identify liberals and you expect people to take you seriously?


Careful, Mav, Alaje is gonna cite Conservapedia at you again! :lol:
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:53 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Zaras wrote:Oh, that stuff that doesn't actually prove anything. Yeah, that totally helps your case.


I'd say it does. The problem is you've already formed an opinion and you can't decouple the idea that transgenderism is a defect and transphobia.

How does it? You said that transgendered people have feelings that cause them to undergo sexual transformations. How does that actually affect functioning? It doesn't. The desire to be another gender doesn't affect your functioning.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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