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Should gender neutral titles be introduced?

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Postby Greater Nilfgaard » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:23 am

Zaras wrote:
Well, then don't you lecture me about how transgenderism must be cured. I think that's a good place to start.


Why are you transgendered? If so then I'm sorry, if not then shut up your not an authority either lol.


So you use this one specific case to claim you know what's best for autistic people. Yeesh.


No, not by a long shot. But it sure as hell gives me more credibilty then someone who has no autistic relatives at all.
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Postby Alaje » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:23 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Alaje wrote:
I'm not a fan of conservapedia actually, but they are correct in this instance.


One of the rules of this world is that Conservapedia is never, ever correct. It's like the anti-Wikipedia and anti-RationalWiki.


Not really, I hate both Conservapedia and RationalWiki. One is a conservatard circlejerk and the other is a libtard circlejerk, but one thing they have correct is their articles about eachother.
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Postby Dinahia » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:24 am

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Oh, so you're a sockpuppet for Andy Schlafly. Explains the lunacy of your posts and consistent denial of reality. :roll:


I'm not a fan of conservapedia actually, but they are correct in this instance.

Conservapedia is never correct.
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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:25 am

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
Zaras wrote:
Well, then don't you lecture me about how transgenderism must be cured. I think that's a good place to start.


Why are you transgendered? If so then I'm sorry, if not then shut up your not an authority either lol.


I have consistently pointed out in the thread that I am not an authority on transgenderism, and that cis people don't have a right to force them into gender binaries. Way to miss those posts.

Also, it's pretty fucking insulting to assume that somebody who doesn't hate transgendered people must be transgendered zeyselves.

No, not by a long shot. But it sure as hell gives me more credibilty then someone who has no autistic relatives at all.


Implying that being transgendered is equivalent to being autistic or bipolar automatically means you have no credibility.
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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:25 am

Alaje wrote:Not really, I hate both Conservapedia and RationalWiki. One is a conservatard circlejerk and the other is a libtard circlejerk.


And you're sooooooooooooooooooooooooo superior to both.
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:26 am

Alaje wrote:1.) I, unlike you or trannies, have a very good grasp on reality.

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Alaje wrote:2.) Liberals do it all the time like calling straight people, "sexually repressed".

Never have I heard this.
Alaje wrote:3.) Normal as defined by nature. Normal people know what they are, trannies don't.

Transexuals know what they are.
Alaje wrote:4.) I don't hate trannies, I just realize they are ill and need help seeing through their delusions.

What delusions?
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:28 am


*looks at the link* LOL!
Alaje wrote:If something's not matching, it's not correct meaning they are ill. I've been saying that this whole time.

No, you've been saying they don't know what they are, therefore they are delusional. They in fact, know what they are.
Alaje wrote:Empathy is good, I agree, but you mustn't lose sight of the difference between a healthy mind and an ill one. I feel sorry for retards, but I still recognize they are not right upstairs.

All hail Alaje, someone with no formal training in psychology and somehow knows more than every credible psychology agency in the world!
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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:28 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Alaje wrote:2.) Liberals do it all the time like calling straight people, "sexually repressed".

Never have I heard this.


Because you live in reality instead of a right-wing bubble?
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Grenartia » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:29 am

Alaje wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
You don't. To quote Cicero: "To err is human; to persist in error is stupidity." You're persisting in error in an extremely dedicated attempt to ignore basic fact: if your brain functions perfectly, and your body functions perfectly, but they don't match, then both still work but the body, as the simpler of the two, should be brought into line with the brain, not the other way round.



Provide me with some examples of this, please.



Transgender people do know what they are. They know that they have a male brain in a female body, or vice versa. They know that their two sections of self, while functioning perfectly, do not match, and so seek to alter the bit that's easier to alter.



And yet you clearly do hate them, because you persist in addressing them using a slur term and paint them as mentally ill and inferior. Stop pretending you don't.

Also, try empathy once in a while. You might learn from it.


Read this article,bub.

If something's not matching, it's not correct meaning they are ill. I've been saying that this whole time.

Empathy is good, I agree, but you mustn't lose sight of the difference between a healthy mind and an ill one. I feel sorry for retards, but I still recognize they are not right upstairs.


Ah, yes, Conservapedia, that most 'trustworthy' and 'truthful' of sources.

Also, you just love to use slurs, don't you?

You might want to walk a several miles in the shoes of a transgendered person before judging them. Its so easy for somebody on the outside of a situation to point at somebody else and ridicule them for shit, but until you have experienced what that person faces on a daily basis, you don't know SHIT about them.
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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:30 am

Grenartia wrote:Ah, yes, Conservapedia, that most 'trustworthy' and 'truthful' of sources.


Ahem. Trusworthy. ;)
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Delanshar » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:30 am

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Delanshar wrote:Also you've spent the last few pages preaching about how the majority "can go fuck themselves" so I'd say you have a pretty robust history of being 'dickish to other people".


I don't remember pretending I don't.


Then whats this statement supposed to be about?

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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:32 am

Delanshar wrote:
Zaras wrote:
I don't remember pretending I don't.


Then whats this statement supposed to be about?

Zaras wrote:I'm aware of my privilege but I don't pretend that it gives me a grounding to be dickish to other people.


I'm saying that I don't rely on my privilege to be dickish to other people. For example, I haven't said anything transphobic here.

I really thought that sentence's meaning was clear in context. Eeysh, time to re-edit the post again.
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Alaje » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:33 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Alaje wrote:
I'm not a fan of conservapedia actually, but they are correct in this instance.

so what's your opinion on the baby girl with a penis on her forehead

i mean, naturally it's impossible even the idea that someone could be born with mismatched genitals in a world where people are both with deformed genitals, multiple genitals, no brains, no arms and penises on their headsand XXY XXXYY XXXXX XO XX male etc. etc. but it's an interesting thought experiment

i don't mean to imply it's all a birth defect but


It called a genetic defect, transgender is in the same boat.
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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:35 am

Alaje wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:so what's your opinion on the baby girl with a penis on her forehead

i mean, naturally it's impossible even the idea that someone could be born with mismatched genitals in a world where people are both with deformed genitals, multiple genitals, no brains, no arms and penises on their headsand XXY XXXYY XXXXX XO XX male etc. etc. but it's an interesting thought experiment

i don't mean to imply it's all a birth defect but


It called a genetic defect, transgender is in the same boat.


You don't know shit 'bout genetics, mang.
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Alaje » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:36 am

Dinahia wrote:
Alaje wrote:
I'm not a fan of conservapedia actually, but they are correct in this instance.

Conservapedia is never correct.


Another liberal trait is rearing its head, block out anything from the opposition even if it bears truth.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:36 am

Alaje wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:so what's your opinion on the baby girl with a penis on her forehead

i mean, naturally it's impossible even the idea that someone could be born with mismatched genitals in a world where people are both with deformed genitals, multiple genitals, no brains, no arms and penises on their headsand XXY XXXYY XXXXX XO XX male etc. etc. but it's an interesting thought experiment

i don't mean to imply it's all a birth defect but


It called a genetic defect, transgender is in the same boat.

let's suppose through a genetic/birth fuck up, someone was born with mismatched genitals

your solution to that would be to tell them to deal with it, the brain is a slave to the body?
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:36 am

Alaje wrote:It called a genetic defect, transgender is in the same boat.

Unless it affects the functioning of the person, it's not. Last time I checked, these people are functioning members of society who feel as though they should be another gender.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:38 am

Alaje wrote:
Dinahia wrote:Conservapedia is never correct.


Another liberal trait is rearing its head, block out anything from the opposition even if it bears truth.

That's literally impossible, because liberalism is about equality and liberty. It's impossible for this to occur if change doesn't occur. It's impossible for change to occur unless new ideas are proposed and listened to.

Therefore your generalizations expose your inability to look at simple definitions; instead you choose to remain punching at the air, screaming, "I HATE U!"
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Postby Alaje » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:39 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Alaje wrote:
It called a genetic defect, transgender is in the same boat.

let's suppose through a genetic fuck up, someone was born with mismatched genitals

your solution to that would be to tell them to deal with it, the brain is a slave to the body?


Yes, same with a retard, same with a schizo, same with a flamingo-person, same with person that thinks they're fat but really aren't. Feeding into people's delusions is counterproductive.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:39 am

Souseiseki wrote:let's suppose through a genetic fuck up, someone was born with mismatched genitals

your solution to that would be to tell them to deal with it, the brain is a slave to the body?


The brain is part of the body.


Mavorpen wrote:Unless it affects the functioning of the person, it's not. Last time I checked, these people are functioning members of society who feel as though they should be another gender.

I have a defect that prevents me from writing easilly. I'm a functioning member of society who has bad handwriting. It's still a defect.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:41 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:let's suppose through a genetic fuck up, someone was born with mismatched genitals

your solution to that would be to tell them to deal with it, the brain is a slave to the body?


The brain is part of the body.


Mavorpen wrote:Unless it affects the functioning of the person, it's not. Last time I checked, these people are functioning members of society who feel as though they should be another gender.

I have a defect that prevents me from writing easilly. I'm a functioning member of society who has bad handwriting. It's still a defect.

the brain is a part of the body

but i think it's fairly established that 1) it is the most important part (for us anyway) and 2) it's "the boss"
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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:41 am

Des-Bal wrote:I have a defect that prevents me from writing easilly. I'm a functioning member of society who has bad handwriting. It's still a defect.


You also have a problem with making stupid posts lacking in empathy that compare transgenderism to a defect, btw.
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:41 am

Alaje wrote:Yes, same with a retard, same with a schizo, same with a flamingo-person, same with person that thinks they're fat but really aren't. Feeding into people's delusions is counterproductive.

It's not a delusion if the person's brain is actually structured in a such a way that they DO fit the identity of the other gender.
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Postby Zaras » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:41 am

Alaje wrote:Another liberal trait is rearing its head, block out anything from the opposition even if it bears truth.


Thanks for projecting what you constantly do in your posts to liberals. It's so illuminating.
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:42 am

Des-Bal wrote:I have a defect that prevents me from writing easilly. I'm a functioning member of society who has bad handwriting. It's still a defect.

Dear gods, nice straw man. I said if it doesn't affect the functioning of the person, then it's not a disorder or defect. Your "defect" affects your functioning.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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