Resolved: the US is too large and ought to be divided...

[Arumdaum]

i can see it now:

The Mormocracy of Deseret (Formerly Utah)
The New California Republic (except lamer than Fallout)
The New Republic of Texas
New Canada (Formerly Alaska)
Crazopia (Formerly Arizona)
and so on...

Mormocracy.

[North California]

The US shouldn't be divided, California should. That way my nation can become a real US State.

North California is no California without the South. Let alone Oregon and Washington.

No. Just. No.

[PapaJacky]

North California is no California without the South. Let alone Oregon and Washington.

No. Just. No.

As a Californian, Californian separationists, North v. South kinds in particular, appall me. California is no California without the South of California.

[Arumdaum]

Calling it all one culture is telling of your own ignorance on the subject. It is one country, but it has not and never has been, one culture. Southern China is different than Northern China is different than Western China in different than Central China is different than Eastern China.

Calling it all one culture doesn't make any sense what-so-ever.

The culture is primarily Han culture, since they make up about 90% of the population. With the exception of Tibet and Inner Mongolia, China is fairly culturally homogeneous. China is divided by economics, not culture or ethnicity.

Ningxia is 34% Hui.

Guangxi is 32% Zhuang.

Xinjiang is only 41%, and 45% Uyghur.

And of course, there's also lots of language divides in China...

[North California]

No. Just. No.

As a Californian, Californian separationists, North v. South kinds in particular, appall me. California is no California without the South of California.

I was sarcastic about Californian separation.

But then again, LA is a dump and who needs Hollywood?

[PapaJacky]

As a Californian, Californian separationists, North v. South kinds in particular, appall me. California is no California without the South of California.

I was sarcastic about Californian separation.

But then again, LA is a dump and who needs Hollywood?

Taxes!

[Arumdaum]

Do Kern and Tulare Counties provide us with anything special? I wish we could just give away part of it. Too conservative for California. :<

[Rio Cana]

But that was a shadow of it former self. I would not wish that fate upon America.

He is correct. China's the longest surviving civilization (there were some periods of dramatic decline, but the culture and history was pretty much still retained) mostly because of their history strong centralized rule, a necessity in a region where factional splinters were common.

How about Korean civilization. It is also ancient.

[Seleucas]

Yea.
I don't like large states in general; I prefer ones that are smaller. Having a whole bunch of Liechtensteins and Singapores would be preferable to me than a US which meddles in everybody's affairs.

Singapore not meddling in its citizens' affairs now?
Or, talking about small countries, Belarus?

Singapore's not bad; I used to live there, actually, and I'd like to go back. It's nicer than Belarus, definitely (which in turn isn't that much smaller than its neighbors.) And I would imagine that even Belarus is freer now that it's out of the grip of the Soviet/Warsaw Pact super-state. Besides, if there is to be an oppressive state, I would rather it be smaller than larger so that it is easier to egress.

I'd rather have a multi-polar world than one dominated by a superpower.

We have a multi-polar world.

BRIC, EU, USA.

The US still has a disproportionate amount of power (though that has an expiry date.) Besides, the EU's not as solid a union as that of the United States, and BRIC isn't even a union.

[Esternial]

By the looks if it, it already is.

[Arumdaum]

He is correct. China's the longest surviving civilization (there were some periods of dramatic decline, but the culture and history was pretty much still retained) mostly because of their history strong centralized rule, a necessity in a region where factional splinters were common.

How about Korean civilization. It is also ancient.

The founding date of Gojoseon is unknown. 2333 BCE is solely according to legend. Korea was mainly a bunch of culturally different states until Silla conquered Baekje in 660 CE and Goguryeo in 668 CE.

[Seleucas]

By the looks if it, it already is.

I wouldn't say so; yes, there was a bit of secession talk in the beginning of 2009, but that was by and large rhetorical. Hardcore secessionists like Larry Kilgore really did not make that much traction.

[Mein Canada]

Alaska, Washington, Wisconsin, Maine, New York Etc. would probably join canada if the US collapses

[The Andromeda Islands]

I understand the argument. The US is a vast country with so many regional differences that maybe it would function better if it were divided on certain geographical and ideological grounds.

But before we do that, we should talk about China & India. I'm not sure a single national government can effectively govern over a billion people. China as a whole is being held together by the simple will of the Communist State. All parties involved might be better off with a bit of de-evolution.

[Arumdaum]

Alaska, Washington, Wisconsin, Maine, New York Etc. would probably join canada if the US collapses

I dunno. It'd probably be pretty weird for just New York to contain a third of Canada's population.

[Mein Canada]

Alaska, Washington, Wisconsin, Maine, New York Etc. would probably join canada if the US collapses

I dunno. It'd probably be pretty weird for just New York to contain a third of Canada's population.

Im more saying like if you look at the map of Canada and the US it would make sense

[PapaJacky]

Alaska, Washington, Wisconsin, Maine, New York Etc. would probably join canada if the US collapses

I dunno. It'd probably be pretty weird for just New York to contain a third of Canada's population.

Michigan is more likely to join the Canadian state due to their already 'strong' friendship.

[Mein Canada]

I dunno. It'd probably be pretty weird for just New York to contain a third of Canada's population.

Michigan is more likely to join the Canadian state due to their already 'strong' friendship.

I already consider Detroit a canadian city, we could easily buy it

[Manisdog]

a divided us would be good for the world and humanity in general

[Mein Canada]

a divided us would be good for the world and humanity in general

Actually that would kill the global economy but it is inevitable

[New Sapienta]

a divided us would be good for the world and humanity in general I for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords.

Fixed.

[Mein Canada]

a divided us would be good for the world and humanity in general I for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords.

Fixed.

True true true

[Fellrike]

Michigan is more likely to join the Canadian state due to their already 'strong' friendship.

I already consider Detroit a canadian city, we could easily buy it

Buy Detroit!? You've got to be kidding. Why in the name of God would you want to, when we'd probably pay you to take it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... L_YdRxBhzI

[Mein Canada]

I already consider Detroit a canadian city, we could easily buy it

Buy Detroit!? You've got to be kidding. Why in the name of God would you want to, when we'd probably pay you to take it.

Actually we'll take Buffalo

[Fellrike]

Buy Detroit!? You've got to be kidding. Why in the name of God would you want to, when we'd probably pay you to take it.

Actually we'll take Buffalo

You do realize, don't you, that if you Canadians annex Buffalo, you won't save any money when you go shopping there?