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What religion are you?

Judaism
22
2%
Christianity
319
34%
Islam
33
4%
Hinduism
7
1%
Buddhism
22
2%
Shinto
7
1%
Paganism (Wicca, Druidry, Asatru, etc.)
41
4%
Atheist
297
32%
Agnostic
112
12%
Other
76
8%
 
Total votes : 936

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Postby Norstal » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:37 pm

Lost heros wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
No, but I'm fairly sure based on archaeology that human sacrifice was seen as dirty work to appease the gods. I'm sure no Aztec dad was proud if his son was to be sacrificed, because I'm so no parent, at ANY TIME IN HISTORY, ever wanted to see their child die before they did.

Because you were there 4,000 years ago. Point is you have no clue what civilization was like before you, unless you have a time machine.
You can repeatedly say, "Archaelogist analyzed this building and hypothesize this is what happened," but you won't be able to prove it until you see it for yourself, because some hypothesis are wrong,

Except for yours amirite.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:37 pm

Lost heros wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
No, but I'm fairly sure based on archaeology that human sacrifice was seen as dirty work to appease the gods. I'm sure no Aztec dad was proud if his son was to be sacrificed, because I'm so no parent, at ANY TIME IN HISTORY, ever wanted to see their child die before they did.

Because you were there 4,000 years ago. Point is you have no clue what civilization was like before you, unless you have a time machine.
You can repeatedly say, "Archaelogist analyzed this building and hypothesize this is what happened," but you won't be able to prove it until you see it for yourself, because some hypothesis are wrong,

This feels like those threads were that guy argued that George Washington didn't exist.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:37 pm

Lost heros wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
No, but I'm fairly sure based on archaeology that human sacrifice was seen as dirty work to appease the gods. I'm sure no Aztec dad was proud if his son was to be sacrificed, because I'm so no parent, at ANY TIME IN HISTORY, ever wanted to see their child die before they did.

Because you were there 4,000 years ago. Point is you have no clue what civilization was like before you, unless you have a time machine.
You can repeatedly say, "Archaelogist analyzed this building and hypothesize this is what happened," but you won't be able to prove it until you see it for yourself, because some hypothesis are wrong,


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Postby South Cvandia » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:38 pm

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They worship Christ. They are Christians. :palm:


I couldn't agree more.It always bugs me when people say they aren't.Christians worship Jeebus,so Mormons are Christians.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:38 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
then why do you keep asking?

Read through the ENTIRE discussion, instead of reading that one single post.


i read the last two pages, requiring more would be a violation of my constitional rights against cruel and unusual punishment.

taking something on faith by definition does not require evidence. your asking something a beliver sees no rrquiremnt to produce.
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Postby Norstal » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:40 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Read through the ENTIRE discussion, instead of reading that one single post.


i read the last two pages, requiring more would be a violation of my constitional rights against cruel and unusual punishment.

taking something on faith by definition does not require evidence. your asking something a beliver sees no rrquiremnt to produce.

Idk man. The other guy said that the reason Christians in the 1500s did slavery was to honor your god.
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Mavorpen
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:40 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:i read the last two pages, requiring more would be a violation of my constitional rights against cruel and unusual punishment.

taking something on faith by definition does not require evidence. your asking something a beliver sees no rrquiremnt to produce.

:palm:

>I said that it doesn't have evidence.
>He said it did.
>I asked for it.
>He didn't provide it.
>I asked again.

If what you say is true, he would have just said, "You're right, I don't have any, it's based on faith."

Even then, it was a misunderstanding in the end, so there's no point in this discussion.
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Postby Lost heros » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:41 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Lost heros wrote:They would be honoring their gods and be doing a 'good thing'

Why is honoring a god a good thing? With all respects to Chaos, I do not wish to spill my blood my blood simply to appease the Blood God's hunger.

I don't know why, but why wouldn't you want a super powerful being happy? They could have been told, "You are being sacrificed, so the god of the river will make sure the river floods so we can have another year of a bentiful harvest. Thank you, for doing this for us."
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Postby Vitius » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:41 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Lost heros wrote:2. You're being very pessimistic in your views of religion, considering it was one of the factors that lead to various first civilizations.

What does this have to do with the validity of religion?

I don't think anyone here is exactly trying to write that a deity is valid. I'm pretty late to the argument, but it seems like they're trying to defend themselves against a barrage of hateful comments written by yourself.

To be honest, it just seems completely illogical, idiotic, useless and irrelevant to the topic you're trying to discuss to position yourself a subject that doesn't exist to you. It'd be like me debating about a hurricane killing 200 people in Minnesota last year. It never happened, at least not to me, so why should I continually assault those that believe that it did indeed happen?

I've met some really arrogant, disrespectful and rude theists throughout the years, though it pains me even more that I've met some atheist and agnostic jackasses. You choose not to believe it, okay. It's completely fair to fight against a law like the law in Arkansas that prohibits atheists from holding public offices, but really, you favor going around and just trolling people because you think you know what's right? It's sad, really.

I don't expect this message to mean anything to you, but maybe, just maybe, it'll send a message that what you're doing is just as hypocritical as a theist slamming religion down someone's throat.
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Lost heros
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Postby Lost heros » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:42 pm

Norstal wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
i read the last two pages, requiring more would be a violation of my constitional rights against cruel and unusual punishment.

taking something on faith by definition does not require evidence. your asking something a beliver sees no rrquiremnt to produce.

Idk man. The other guy said that the reason Christians in the 1500s did slavery was to honor your god.

I didn't say anything near to that.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:43 pm

Vitius wrote:I don't think anyone here is exactly trying to write that a deity is valid. I'm pretty late to the argument, but it seems like they're trying to defend themselves against a barrage of hateful comments written by yourself.

That's nice.
Vitius wrote:To be honest, it just seems completely illogical, idiotic, useless and irrelevant to the topic you're trying to discuss to position yourself a subject that doesn't exist to you. It'd be like me debating about a hurricane killing 200 people in Minnesota last year. It never happened, at least not to me, so why should I continually assault those that believe that it did indeed happen?

This is a debate forum.
Vitius wrote:I've met some really arrogant, disrespectful and rude theists throughout the years, though it pains me even more that I've met some atheist and agnostic jackasses. You choose not to believe it, okay. It's completely fair to fight against a law like the law in Arkansas that prohibits atheists from holding public offices, but really, you favor going around and just trolling people because you think you know what's right? It's sad, really.

THIS IS A DEBATE FORUM.
Vitius wrote:I don't expect this message to mean anything to you, but maybe, just maybe, it'll send a message that what you're doing is just as hypocritical as a theist slamming religion down someone's throat.

THIS IS A DEBATE FORUM.
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Postby Norstal » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:44 pm

Lost heros wrote:
Norstal wrote:Idk man. The other guy said that the reason Christians in the 1500s did slavery was to honor your god.

I didn't say anything near to that.

Lost heros wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
So slavery wasn't bad back in the 1800s, before they abolished it?

No, obviously the slaves ENJOYED being whipped and beaten. Obviously they CRAVED it. I mean, why else would we endorse slavery back then other than because IT WASN'T BAD BACK THEN.

The amount of face-palm in this post is just... Just...


I'm sorry. You know all, obviously! It is impossible that early humans could have thought it as an honor to be given to their gods.

Don't know how to read that in any other way.
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Lost heros
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Postby Lost heros » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:45 pm

Norstal wrote:
Lost heros wrote:Because you were there 4,000 years ago. Point is you have no clue what civilization was like before you, unless you have a time machine.
You can repeatedly say, "Archaelogist analyzed this building and hypothesize this is what happened," but you won't be able to prove it until you see it for yourself, because some hypothesis are wrong,

Except for yours amirite.

I didn't say mine were wrong.
If you read through my posts you'll realize I say I don't know or could or possibly. I never said mine are right. I said I believe mine are right. You may believe differently, but stop telling me that I am wrong without a doubt.
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Postby Lost heros » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:46 pm

Norstal wrote:
Lost heros wrote:I didn't say anything near to that.

Lost heros wrote:I'm sorry. You know all, obviously! It is impossible that early humans could have thought it as an honor to be given to their gods.

Don't know how to read that in any other way.

I didn't mention Christians, slavery, or the 1500s.
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Postby Lost heros » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:47 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Lost heros wrote:Because you were there 4,000 years ago. Point is you have no clue what civilization was like before you, unless you have a time machine.
You can repeatedly say, "Archaelogist analyzed this building and hypothesize this is what happened," but you won't be able to prove it until you see it for yourself, because some hypothesis are wrong,

This feels like those threads were that guy argued that George Washington didn't exist.

One difference is Karin was saying without a doubt if Jesus existed, George Washington existed. I am saying this is the possibility that I believe to be true, and here is why.
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Postby Cancerous Conservatism » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:48 pm

I'm Roman Catholic and proud of it.
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Postby Vortropolis » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:48 pm

Cancerous Conservatism wrote:I'm Roman Catholic and proud of it.


Same here but i disagree with your political views.
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Postby Lost heros » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:49 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Lost heros wrote:Imagine two Homo Erecti walking down a path. They see the stripes and don't know what it is.
God tells one of them, "Hey dude don't walk that way. You'll die." That one doesn't walk, and since god didn't tell the other one not to walk he goes off and dies, while the other doesn't.

Good, now provide evidence for God so your hypothesis can actually be taken seriously. Image

You didn't provide evidence for your hypothetical either.
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Postby Threlizdun » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:51 pm

Lost heros wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Why is honoring a god a good thing? With all respects to Chaos, I do not wish to spill my blood my blood simply to appease the Blood God's hunger.

I don't know why, but why wouldn't you want a super powerful being happy? They could have been told, "You are being sacrificed, so the god of the river will make sure the river floods so we can have another year of a bentiful harvest. Thank you, for doing this for us."

And this is good for the individual being sacrificed how?
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Postby Cancerous Conservatism » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:51 pm

Vortropolis wrote:
Cancerous Conservatism wrote:I'm Roman Catholic and proud of it.


Same here but i disagree with your political views.


Wow. Did you read the bottom of my flag?
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:51 pm

Lost heros wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Good, now provide evidence for God so your hypothesis can actually be taken seriously. Image

You didn't provide evidence for your hypothetical either.

Image

It's a HYPOTHESIS based off of established theories. We have INSURMOUNTABLE evidence of how natural selection works. Naturally, we can then explain how a specific trait of humans arose. That's how evolutionary science works when formulating hypothesis explaining human traits. Yours, however, is based off something that has no evidence. I'm asking for evidence for God, which you based your hypothesis on, not evidence for your hypothesis itself.
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Postby Vortropolis » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:52 pm

Cancerous Conservatism wrote:
Vortropolis wrote:
Same here but i disagree with your political views.


Wow. Did you read the bottom of my flag?


No i just saw in big letters ''FORWARD'' and it drew my eyes to it. (Edit: I just read the bottom of your flag :lol: )
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Postby Agymnum » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:54 pm

Lost heros wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Why is honoring a god a good thing? With all respects to Chaos, I do not wish to spill my blood my blood simply to appease the Blood God's hunger.

I don't know why, but why wouldn't you want a super powerful being happy? They could have been told, "You are being sacrificed, so the god of the river will make sure the river floods so we can have another year of a bentiful harvest. Thank you, for doing this for us."


So, basically, people were idiots back then because they swallowed that bullshit and died for no reason.

I mean, because obviously rivers flood due to a holy presence. It's not like there's no scientific explanation for that or anything.

Stop passing off stuff just because people were ignorant.
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Postby Cancerous Conservatism » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:58 pm

Vortropolis wrote:
Cancerous Conservatism wrote:
Wow. Did you read the bottom of my flag?


No i just saw in big letters ''FORWARD'' and it drew my eyes to it. (Edit: I just read the bottom of your flag :lol: )


Blahahaha :rofl: . I am probably one of the most conservative guys you will ever meet.
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Postby Agymnum » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:59 pm

Cancerous Conservatism wrote:
Vortropolis wrote:
No i just saw in big letters ''FORWARD'' and it drew my eyes to it. (Edit: I just read the bottom of your flag :lol: )


Blahahaha :rofl: . I am probably one of the most conservative guys you will ever meet.


At least your conservatism is tasteful. Lot of conservative ignoramuses on here. Makes me sad.
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