NSG's Religious Census

[Lost heros]

So you believe that a if a god existed he would be a dictator like being that would force us to do stuff with no free will.
Weird, I don't feel forced to do anything.

Look, if an all-knowing all-powerful god was to create an universe the other beings in that universe would have no free will as the god that brought them into existence would have know their every act before they existed and would have choosen that particular set of actions to take place in creation by the particular circumstances that god created the universe in.

Why can't we be created with free-will and have God help us when he believes we need it.

[Norstal]

Victory is ours, my brothers.

It's like you won the fucking World War II or some shit.

[Mavorpen]

Who says religion can't coexist with science? That religion can't change to include the discoveries of science?

Because supposedly God is all knowing. How can He be wrong?

[Mavorpen]

Look, if an all-knowing all-powerful god was to create an universe the other beings in that universe would have no free will as the god that brought them into existence would have know their every act before they existed and would have choosen that particular set of actions to take place in creation by the particular circumstances that god created the universe in.

Why can't we be created with free-will and have God help us when he believes we need it.

So God is not omnipotent?

[4years]

1. Yes, if people stop beleiving in god(s) maybe they will do somthing worthwhile in this world.
Helen Keller has a pretty good quote on the subject: It is wonderful how much time good people spend fighting the devil. If they would only expend the same amount of energy loving their fellow men, the devil would die in his own tracks of ennui.-Helen Keller

2. I happend to be part of the race of hairless apes and live on the tiny speck of in a random galaxy in a random universe. So I want the hairless apes to prosper and the tiny speck of dust to be a pleasant speck.

So if I believe in God I can't be worthwhile? Sorry, I'll go throw myself off a cliff, it wasn't like I was studying to be a cardiovascular surgeon or anything important that could save other's lives.

I did not say that you were not worthwhile, just that you would be more so if you diched the god. Religion just leads to religous wars, terrorrism, denial of science , and repressive social/poltical policies. Supporting it is obviously not worthwhile.

[Threlizdun]

I'd rather be among the intelligent minority than among the stupid masses.

Go elitism.

As much as I dislike religion, I would still like to see respect offered to the religious.

[Agymnum]

Look, if an all-knowing all-powerful god was to create an universe the other beings in that universe would have no free will as the god that brought them into existence would have know their every act before they existed and would have choosen that particular set of actions to take place in creation by the particular circumstances that god created the universe in.

Why can't we be created with free-will and have God help us when he believes we need it.

So then God isn't truly omnipotent, because if he was he'd know our every action and thus free will would be irrelevant since he'd have our entire lives memorized before they even occurred.

[Norstal]

Look, if an all-knowing all-powerful god was to create an universe the other beings in that universe would have no free will as the god that brought them into existence would have know their every act before they existed and would have choosen that particular set of actions to take place in creation by the particular circumstances that god created the universe in.

Why can't we be created with free-will and have God help us when he believes we need it.

Ain't free will if he "helps us when he believes we need it" anymore is it?

[Gaveo]

It's like you won the fucking World War II or some shit.

In NS Christians out numbering Atheists is something... But to be honest its all in good fun.

[Agymnum]

I'd rather be among the intelligent minority than among the stupid masses.

Go elitism.

As much as I dislike religion, I would still like to see respect offered to the religious.

I offer no respect to people who waste their time pursuing something not even proven to be true.

Would you respect a man who wasted away his days bowing down to a pony, or a golden ox?

[4years]

Look, if an all-knowing all-powerful god was to create an universe the other beings in that universe would have no free will as the god that brought them into existence would have know their every act before they existed and would have choosen that particular set of actions to take place in creation by the particular circumstances that god created the universe in.

Why can't we be created with free-will and have God help us when he believes we need it.

So god is not all-knowing? or god is not the creator, he/she/it just happens to exist near us?

[Mavorpen]

It's like you won the fucking World War II or some shit.

In NS Christians out numbering Atheists is something... But to be honest its all in good fun.

How do you outnumber Atheists? WHY are you people IGNORING the agnostics?

[Gaveo]

In NS Christians out numbering Atheists is something... But to be honest its all in good fun.

How do you outnumber Atheists? WHY are you people IGNORING the agnostics?

Because we are ignorant...

[Agymnum]

In NS Christians out numbering Atheists is something... But to be honest its all in good fun.

How do you outnumber Atheists? WHY are you people IGNORING the agnostics?

Well, technically, agnosticism still acknowledges that a higher deity might exist, it's just not proven.

Atheism flat-out rejects the idea of a higher deity until it's proven.

[Threlizdun]

I offer no respect to people who waste their time pursuing something not even proven to be true.

Would you respect a man who wasted away his days bowing down to a pony, or a golden ox?

I would be critical of the act of course, as I am critical of any superstitious beliefs, but I would still certainly respect their right to practice such views and I would not resort to name-calling if debating them on the matter.

[4years]

As much as I dislike religion, I would still like to see respect offered to the religious.

I offer no respect to people who waste their time pursuing something not even proven to be true.

Would you respect a man who wasted away his days bowing down to a pony, or a golden ox?

Respect the kitten gods. http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2009/ ... 642179.jpg

[Agymnum]

I offer no respect to people who waste their time pursuing something not even proven to be true.

Would you respect a man who wasted away his days bowing down to a pony, or a golden ox?

I would be critical of the act of course, as I am critical of any superstitious beliefs, but I would still certainly respect their right to practice such views and I would not resort to name-calling if debating them on the matter.

You are a far more tolerant man than me.

[The New World Oceania]

It's like you won the fucking World War II or some shit.

Sigged

So you wish to remove many people's hopes.


But what is humanity other than a bunch of hairless apes does on a tiny speck of dust in a random galaxy in a random universe

So what if we're a bunch of hairless apes on a tiny speck of dust in a random galaxy in a random universe?

Does a lion simply give up living because it is just a glorified cat on a tiny speck of dust in a random galaxy in a random universe?

Does a cockroach? Does a dog?

Why is it so important for you that a higher deity care that you exist? Can you not have purpose of your own accord? Must you be a slave?

From the Mormon perspective, it is a rather random universe.

[South Cvandia]

I offer no respect to people who waste their time pursuing something not even proven to be true.

Would you respect a man who wasted away his days bowing down to a pony, or a golden ox?

I would be critical of the act of course, as I am critical of any superstitious beliefs, but I would still certainly respect their right to practice such views and I would not resort to name-calling if debating them on the matter.

You must have misread his statement then. Because he says he has no respect for the individual, not their right to bow down and worship a flying bird-monkey-dog-cat.

[Sassinia]

You should not be proud of ignorance.

Atheism:

214
31%

Because 31% is more than 35%?

Majority pride

Count the Agnostic.

31% + 12= 43%

Happy now?

[Seres]

Vajrayana and pureland buddhist.

[Agymnum]

I would be critical of the act of course, as I am critical of any superstitious beliefs, but I would still certainly respect their right to practice such views and I would not resort to name-calling if debating them on the matter.

You must have misread his statement then. Because he says he has no respect for the individual, not their right to bow down and worship a flying bird-monkey-dog-cat.

Also, this.

You can do things I don't respect. I'll LET you do them. But I'm not going to respect you just because of some sort of misplaced tolerance that I HAVE to have respect for what you believe.

Whether I respect the individual is up for debate. Whether I respect the individual's rights is not, because I'm forced to by law.

[Lost heros]

Look, if an all-knowing all-powerful god was to create an universe the other beings in that universe would have no free will as the god that brought them into existence would have know their every act before they existed and would have choosen that particular set of actions to take place in creation by the particular circumstances that god created the universe in.

Why can't we be created with free-will and have God help us when he believes we need it.

To everyone who responded to this:
He can be omnipotent/all knowing by knowing all possible outcomes and when an outcome isn't favorable what so ever, he pushes you away from it.

[Agymnum]

Why can't we be created with free-will and have God help us when he believes we need it.

To everyone who responded to this:
He can be omnipotent/all knowing by knowing all possible outcomes and when an outcome isn't favorable what so ever, he pushes you away from it.

What if I somehow create an outcome that even he could not predict?

In theory, would I be on God's level? If so, does that grant me permission to create a cult of personality?

[Norstal]

Why can't we be created with free-will and have God help us when he believes we need it.

To everyone who responded to this:
He can be omnipotent/all knowing by knowing all possible outcomes and when an outcome isn't favorable what so ever, he pushes you away from it.

I don't think you understand what free-will is.