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What religion are you?

Judaism
22
2%
Christianity
319
34%
Islam
33
4%
Hinduism
7
1%
Buddhism
22
2%
Shinto
7
1%
Paganism (Wicca, Druidry, Asatru, etc.)
41
4%
Atheist
297
32%
Agnostic
112
12%
Other
76
8%
 
Total votes : 936

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Postby Abatael » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:16 pm

Sedikal wrote:
Abatael wrote:
I have not heard of that one.

It Basiclly just the regular Orthodox church but the branch was started by the first archbishop saint Sava.


Is there any difference in the doctrine of the two?
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:17 pm

Abatael wrote:Believing in evolution is not unorthodox. I believe in evolution and creationism.

There's also theistic evolution.

Honestly, you might as well just believe in only creationism.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Abatael » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:21 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Abatael wrote:Believing in evolution is not unorthodox. I believe in evolution and creationism.

There's also theistic evolution.

Honestly, you might as well just believe in only creationism.


Why?
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:21 pm

Abatael wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Honestly, you might as well just believe in only creationism.


Why?

There's no evidence for "theistic" evolution.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Abatael » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:22 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Abatael wrote:
Why?

There's no evidence for "theistic" evolution.


Yes, I believe there is.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:23 pm

Abatael wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:There's no evidence for "theistic" evolution.


Yes, there is.

Then present it, instead of claiming so. I'm also going to need you to publish said evidence in a peer reviewed paper.
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Postby Abatael » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:36 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Abatael wrote:
Yes, there is.

Then present it, instead of claiming so. I'm also going to need you to publish said evidence in a peer reviewed paper.


Theistic Evolution says that God creates through evolution. Theistic Evolutionists vary in beliefs about how much God intervenes in the process. It accepts most or all of modern science, but it invokes God for some things outside the realm of science, such as the creation of the human soul. This position is promoted by the Pope and taught at mainline Protestant seminaries.

And "creationism" alone is vague, because there are many types of creationism beliefs.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:37 pm

Abatael wrote:Theistic Evolution says that God creates through evolution. Theistic Evolutionists vary in beliefs about how much God intervenes in the process. It accepts most or all of modern science, but it invokes God for some things outside the realm of science, such as the creation of the human soul. This position is promoted by the Pope and taught at mainline Protestant seminaries.

And "creationism" alone is vague, because there are many types of creationism beliefs.


So there's no evidence for theistic evolution...? I asked for evidence, not an explanation.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Threlizdun » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:38 pm

Abatael wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Then present it, instead of claiming so. I'm also going to need you to publish said evidence in a peer reviewed paper.


Theistic Evolution says that God creates through evolution. Theistic Evolutionists vary in beliefs about how much God intervenes in the process. It accepts most or all of modern science, but it invokes God for some things outside the realm of science, such as the creation of the human soul. This position is promoted by the Pope and taught at mainline Protestant seminaries.

And "creationism" alone is vague, because there are many types of creationism beliefs.

He asked for evidence, not a definition.
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Postby Sedikal » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:39 pm

Abatael wrote:
Sedikal wrote:It Basiclly just the regular Orthodox church but the branch was started by the first archbishop saint Sava.


Is there any difference in the doctrine of the two?

No not really. Different patron saits but that's it honestly. Although I haven't given it to much thought since I was about 12 (age I started to become irreligious)
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Postby Kintuckistan » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:40 pm

More Christians than atheist's? Wow.
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Postby Abatael » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:41 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Abatael wrote:Theistic Evolution says that God creates through evolution. Theistic Evolutionists vary in beliefs about how much God intervenes in the process. It accepts most or all of modern science, but it invokes God for some things outside the realm of science, such as the creation of the human soul. This position is promoted by the Pope and taught at mainline Protestant seminaries.

And "creationism" alone is vague, because there are many types of creationism beliefs.


So there's no evidence for theistic evolution...? I asked for evidence, not an explanation.


Oh, I thought you meant that creationism and theistic evolution are the same. I misunderstood you.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:42 pm

Abatael wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
So there's no evidence for theistic evolution...? I asked for evidence, not an explanation.


Oh, I thought you meant that creationism and theistic evolution are the same. I misunderstood you.


I said they might as well be the same, because neither has any evidence.
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Postby The God-Realm » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:42 pm

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Postby Abatael » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:43 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Abatael wrote:
Oh, I thought you meant that creationism and theistic evolution are the same. I misunderstood you.


I said they might as well be the same, because neither has any evidence.


I see; I thought you meant they both believe in the same stuff, or that the differences between the two are negligible. Sorry about the confusion there.
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Postby Kanag Republika » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:44 pm

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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:02 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Abatael wrote:Theistic Evolution says that God creates through evolution. Theistic Evolutionists vary in beliefs about how much God intervenes in the process. It accepts most or all of modern science, but it invokes God for some things outside the realm of science, such as the creation of the human soul. This position is promoted by the Pope and taught at mainline Protestant seminaries.

And "creationism" alone is vague, because there are many types of creationism beliefs.


So there's no evidence for theistic evolution...? I asked for evidence, not an explanation.

god exists, therefore he created evolution.

it is a self evident statement

if you dont believe in god, you believe the statement to be false. if you believe in god, it has to be true.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:04 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
So there's no evidence for theistic evolution...? I asked for evidence, not an explanation.

god exists, therefore he created evolution.

it is a self evident statement

if you dont believe in god, you believe the statement to be false. if you believe in god, it has to be true.


I get it already, there's no valid evidence.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:11 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:god exists, therefore he created evolution.

it is a self evident statement

if you dont believe in god, you believe the statement to be false. if you believe in god, it has to be true.


I get it already, there's no valid evidence.


then why do you keep asking?
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:12 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
I get it already, there's no valid evidence.


then why do you keep asking?

Read through the ENTIRE discussion, instead of reading that one single post.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Agymnum » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:13 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
I get it already, there's no valid evidence.


then why do you keep asking?


I think he's questioning why you would believe, then?

If there's no empirical evidence for something, then believing in it is ludicrous. It would be like if someone believed that ponies could actually speak English and fly, and that they controlled the weather. No proof = No logic.

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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:16 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
then why do you keep asking?


I think he's questioning why you would believe, then?

If there's no empirical evidence for something, then believing in it is ludicrous. It would be like if someone believed that ponies could actually speak English and fly, and that they controlled the weather. No proof = No logic.

...

Sorry, bronies.


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"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Lost heros » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:16 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
then why do you keep asking?


I think he's questioning why you would believe, then?

If there's no empirical evidence for something, then believing in it is ludicrous. It would be like if someone believed that ponies could actually speak English and fly, and that they controlled the weather. No proof = No logic.

...

Sorry, bronies.

It is called faith.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:16 pm

Lost heros wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
I think he's questioning why you would believe, then?

If there's no empirical evidence for something, then believing in it is ludicrous. It would be like if someone believed that ponies could actually speak English and fly, and that they controlled the weather. No proof = No logic.

...

Sorry, bronies.

It is called faith.


You spelled gullibility wrong.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Lost heros » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:19 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Lost heros wrote:It is called faith.


You spelled gullibility wrong.

You want to believe that life is pointless, and our pointless lives have no worth, go ahead. I'll continue to have hope.
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