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What religion are you?

Judaism
22
2%
Christianity
319
34%
Islam
33
4%
Hinduism
7
1%
Buddhism
22
2%
Shinto
7
1%
Paganism (Wicca, Druidry, Asatru, etc.)
41
4%
Atheist
297
32%
Agnostic
112
12%
Other
76
8%
 
Total votes : 936

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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:08 pm

CookieRaider wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I've seen absolutely nothing suggesting they go house to house doing this. I see a bunch of shit about their billboard being taken down because apparently Christians don't like Atheists meeting each other.


What do you mean? I mean unless these people were independent and lying about sending people out to houses by Cincinnati Atheists.


Link?
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby CookieRaider » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:09 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Abatael wrote:
What specifically do they say about Christianity? Like, what "evils" and "mistakes" has it allegedly committed?


I can think of a lot of them:

- Crusades (killing innocent people over a stupid piece of land)
- Racism (they actually justified slavery and segregation)
- Discrimination (anti-LGBT, racist, anti-secularism, etc)


I question racism. They discriminate against anti-secularism? We are probably the most religiously-tolerant religion.
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:09 pm

The Realm of God wrote:
Srboslavija wrote:
You already have the atheist sub-forum in the form of NSG, where the anti-Christian vitriol is a rabid and relentless beast.

A hotbed of prejudice in which we, the majority, are the ones being persecuted - at random - at will - for our beliefs and values.


Talk to the Christians in the Far East and Saudi Arabia or former soviet Christians if you want to know what it's like to be persecuted. YOU ARE NOT PERSECUTED, YOUR AN AMERICAN EVANGELICAL BEING TOLD THAT YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE DUMB.

That's not persecution. Even insinuateing that it is makes my blood boil.


Pisses me right the fuck off too.
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Postby CookieRaider » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:09 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
CookieRaider wrote:
What do you mean? I mean unless these people were independent and lying about sending people out to houses by Cincinnati Atheists.


Link?


You are kidding right?
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Postby Agymnum » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:09 pm

Abatael wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
I can think of a lot of them:

- Crusades (killing innocent people over a stupid piece of land)
- Racism (they actually justified slavery and segregation)
- Discrimination (anti-LGBT, racist, anti-secularism, etc)


Those are Christians, who are people, and people sin. Christianity does not call for any of that.


The Pope did. He represented the manifestation of Roman Catholicism Christianity in Western Europe during the Middle Ages.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:10 pm

CookieRaider wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Link?


You are kidding right?

No. Why in the world should I believe you? Would you believe me if I said that a local Christian group was secretly going out killing blacks in the neighborhood because God hates them?
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:10 pm

Abatael wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
I can think of a lot of them:

- Crusades (killing innocent people over a stupid piece of land)
- Racism (they actually justified slavery and segregation)
- Discrimination (anti-LGBT, racist, anti-secularism, etc)


Those are Christians, who are people, and people sin. Christianity does not call for any of that.


Not all people sin.
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Postby Maldorainia » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:10 pm

How about everyone stop their petty, stupid, counter-productive arguing, and learn to respect each others differences, this is ridiculous, this thread is a census asking for what religion you are, does not say sit here and debate what religions you hate and can not tolerate and such.
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Postby Abatael » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:11 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Abatael wrote:
Those are Christians, who are people, and people sin. Christianity does not call for any of that.


The Pope did. He represented the manifestation of Roman Catholicism Christianity in Western Europe during the Middle Ages.


The Pope is human. Roman Catholicism is not Christianity.

Either way, your argument is invalid.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:11 pm

Maldorainia wrote:How about everyone stop their petty, stupid, counter-productive arguing, and learn to respect each others differences, this is ridiculous, this thread is a census asking for what religion you are, does not say sit here and debate what religions you hate and can not tolerate and such.

Too bad this is a debate forum.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Agymnum » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:11 pm

Maldorainia wrote:How about everyone stop their petty, stupid, counter-productive arguing, and learn to respect each others differences, this is ridiculous, this thread is a census asking for what religion you are, does not say sit here and debate what religions you hate and can not tolerate and such.


NO, I WILL NOT RESPECT YOUR RELIGION BECAUSE IT'S MORE FUN TO HATE ON EACH OTHER.

:roll:

But seriously, this is a debate forum and as such we're debating. Just with mean words and personal attacks, but still, there's some legit debate in there, buried underneath the personal attacks and insults.
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Postby Abatael » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:11 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
CookieRaider wrote:
You are kidding right?

No. Why in the world should I believe you? Would you believe me if I said that a local Christian group was secretly going out killing blacks in the neighborhood because God hates them?


That is nowhere near what they are doing; that is much more extreme.
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Postby CookieRaider » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:11 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
CookieRaider wrote:
You are kidding right?

No. Why in the world should I believe you? Would you believe me if I said that a local Christian group was secretly going out killing blacks in the neighborhood because God hates them?


No but I am sure this happens across the nation while Christians going out to kill blacks is just absurd.
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Postby Maldorainia » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:12 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Maldorainia wrote:How about everyone stop their petty, stupid, counter-productive arguing, and learn to respect each others differences, this is ridiculous, this thread is a census asking for what religion you are, does not say sit here and debate what religions you hate and can not tolerate and such.

Too bad this is a debate forum.


No it really isn't, as I said, this is a census forum to ask what religion YOU are, try reading the first post.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:12 pm

Abatael wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No. Why in the world should I believe you? Would you believe me if I said that a local Christian group was secretly going out killing blacks in the neighborhood because God hates them?


That is nowhere near what they are doing; that is much more extreme.

And yet both are claims that are not to be taken seriously, unless valid evidence is presented.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Abatael » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:12 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Abatael wrote:
Those are Christians, who are people, and people sin. Christianity does not call for any of that.


Not all people sin.


Who has not sinned?
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Postby Cill Airne » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:12 pm

Abatael wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
The Pope did. He represented the manifestation of Roman Catholicism Christianity in Western Europe during the Middle Ages.


The Pope is human. Roman Catholicism is not Christianity.

Either way, your argument is invalid.

Did you really just claim one of the oldest of the Christian Churches is not Christian?
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Postby The Realm of God » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:12 pm

Srboslavija wrote:
The Realm of God wrote:
Talk to the Christians in the Far East and Saudi Arabia or former soviet Christians if you want to know what it's like to be persecuted. YOU ARE NOT PERSECUTED, YOUR AN AMERICAN EVANGELICAL BEING TOLD THAT YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE DUMB.

That's not persecution. Even insinuateing that it is makes my blood boil.


Not to take away anything from their suffering but within context of the 'pen being mightier than the sword', our level of persecution is equal, if not greater, as is being institutionalized at all levels.

We are constantly being shut down for expressing our views on even the most basic issues regarding family, marriage, life, climate and society in general. It has now become 'hip' to disregard and insult centuries of tradition and values in pursuit of this new-age cultist interpretation of "equality".

These people see all the technological and scientific advances that have made our lives easier and take the teachings of JC for granted - yet when a big storm comes along and the power goes out, then it's the old "Please, God..." again.


It's not that at all. It's just when you get Christians who try to force people to accept Christian values through the legislator, in campaigns against womens rights and same sex marriage. Remember what Jesus said "Let he who is without sin, throw the first stone."

Leave them alone and they will leave you alone.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:12 pm

CookieRaider wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No. Why in the world should I believe you? Would you believe me if I said that a local Christian group was secretly going out killing blacks in the neighborhood because God hates them?


No but I am sure this happens across the nation while Christians going out to kill blacks is just absurd.

Link?
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:13 pm

Maldorainia wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Too bad this is a debate forum.


No it really isn't, as I said, this is a census forum to ask what religion YOU are, try reading the first post.

:palm: This is a THREAD. The overarching forum, (General) is a debate forum.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Abatael » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:13 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Abatael wrote:
That is nowhere near what they are doing; that is much more extreme.

And yet both are claims that are not to be taken seriously, unless valid evidence is presented.


By you, maybe. I believe his claim. Why? Because it's reasonable, unlike yours. Online I saw they had a meet-up, so they could have easily planned and executed that.
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:13 pm

Abatael wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Not all people sin.


Who has not sinned?


I have not.
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Postby CookieRaider » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:13 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
CookieRaider wrote:
No but I am sure this happens across the nation while Christians going out to kill blacks is just absurd.

Link?


Link to what. You are playing the link game because your argument is weak and it is obvious who has a stronger point.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:14 pm

Abatael wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:And yet both are claims that are not to be taken seriously, unless valid evidence is presented.


By you, maybe. I believe his claim. Why? Because it's reasonable, unlike yours. Online I saw they had a meet-up, so they could have easily planned and executed that.

Have any evidence backing that up?
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:14 pm

Cill Airne wrote:
Abatael wrote:
The Pope is human. Roman Catholicism is not Christianity.

Either way, your argument is invalid.

Did you really just claim one of the oldest of the Christian Churches is not Christian?


Ain't xtians funny?
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