NSG's Religious Census

[Threlizdun]

How do you outnumber Atheists? WHY are you people IGNORING the agnostics?

Well, technically, agnosticism still acknowledges that a higher deity might exist, it's just not proven.

Atheism flat-out rejects the idea of a higher deity until it's proven.

No, atheism does not flat-out reject the idea. Atheism is the disbelief in the existence of a deity, but it does not indicate one feels certain of its nonexistence. The vast majority of atheists, myself included, are agnostic atheists. I find the idea of a deity absurd, but to claim I have absolute knowledge on the matter is even more absurd. Agnostic is incorrectly applied to this poll, as it is not a belief system unto itself. You are either an agnostic antheist or an agnostic theist. Most self-defined agnostics that do not refer to themselves as either atheists or theists are in fact agnostic atheists, as they do not believe in a deity.

[Lost heros]

So if I believe in God I can't be worthwhile? Sorry, I'll go throw myself off a cliff, it wasn't like I was studying to be a cardiovascular surgeon or anything important that could save other's lives.

I did not say that you were not worthwhile, just that you would be more so if you diched the god. Religion just leads to religous wars, terrorrism, denial of science , and repressive social/poltical policies. Supporting it is obviously not worthwhile.

1. You certainly implied it
2. You're being very pessimistic in your views of religion, considering it was one of the factors that lead to various first civilizations.

[4years]

Why can't we be created with free-will and have God help us when he believes we need it.

To everyone who responded to this:
He can be omnipotent/all knowing by knowing all possible outcomes and when an outcome isn't favorable what so ever, he pushes you away from it.

So you don't have free will. The entire point of my orginal post. God chooses the outcome god wants and forces you to it, no free will involved.
I certianly perfer to lose the god and keep free will rather than the other way around. Of course, if you have any evidence that a god exists I am listening...'cricket noise'..., oh.

[Lost heros]

To everyone who responded to this:
He can be omnipotent/all knowing by knowing all possible outcomes and when an outcome isn't favorable what so ever, he pushes you away from it.

What if I somehow create an outcome that even he could not predict?

In theory, would I be on God's level? If so, does that grant me permission to create a cult of personality?

Impossible because he could know all out comes.

To everyone who responded to this:
He can be omnipotent/all knowing by knowing all possible outcomes and when an outcome isn't favorable what so ever, he pushes you away from it.

I don't think you understand what free-will is.

The untampered ability to choose on your own without intervention?

[Agymnum]

I did not say that you were not worthwhile, just that you would be more so if you diched the god. Religion just leads to religous wars, terrorrism, denial of science , and repressive social/poltical policies. Supporting it is obviously not worthwhile.

1. You certainly implied it
2. You're being very pessimistic in your views of religion, considering it was one of the factors that lead to various first civilizations.

So just because war contributes to technology, we should view it as a good thing and encourage it?

The good of religion is far less than the bad. Religion has promoted good things like hope, culture, and values of caring.

Religion has also promoted bigotry, discrimination, outright racism, anti-scientific viewpoints, backwards beliefs, etc. If anything religion has done more to destroy mankind than to build us up as an advanced people.

[Lost heros]

To everyone who responded to this:
He can be omnipotent/all knowing by knowing all possible outcomes and when an outcome isn't favorable what so ever, he pushes you away from it.

So you don't have free will. The entire point of my orginal post. God chooses the outcome god wants and forces you to it, no free will involved.
I certianly perfer to lose the god and keep free will rather than the other way around. Of course, if you have any evidence that a god exists I am listening...'cricket noise'..., oh.

And my posts said there are billions of outcomes and god leads you away from the entirely bad ones and leaves you to chose from the rest.

[Srboslavija]

Because 31% is more than 35%?

Majority pride

Count the Agnostic.

31% + 12= 43%

Happy now?

Agnostics are by definition fence-sitters, so it would be fairly presumptuous to assign them all to one side.

Fact is, Christians remain the single largest voting bloc and I think it's time we pushed for our own sub-forum - a space to enjoy our friendships and our Faith, free from prejudice and moderated by our mods.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Count the Agnostic.

31% + 12= 43%

Happy now?

Agnostics are by definition fence-sitters, so it would be fairly presumptuous to assign them all to one side.

Fact is, Christians remain the single largest voting bloc and I think it's time we pushed for our own sub-forum - a space to enjoy our friendships and our Faith, free from prejudice and moderated by our mods.

There are boards like that. They exist on other fora. Please do feel free to use them.

[Agymnum]

So you don't have free will. The entire point of my orginal post. God chooses the outcome god wants and forces you to it, no free will involved.
I certianly perfer to lose the god and keep free will rather than the other way around. Of course, if you have any evidence that a god exists I am listening...'cricket noise'..., oh.

And my posts said there are billions of outcomes and god leads you away from the entirely bad ones and leaves you to chose from the rest.

What if I want to choose the bad decision? Am I not free to?

Not free will then, is it? Free will has to allow me to make all decisions - good or bad, selfish or selfless.

Count the Agnostic.

31% + 12= 43%

Happy now?

Agnostics are by definition fence-sitters, so it would be fairly presumptuous to assign them all to one side.

Fact is, Christians remain the single largest voting bloc and I think it's time we pushed for our own sub-forum - a space to enjoy our friendships and our Faith, free from prejudice and moderated by our mods.

Only if the Atheists get their own sub-form as well. And the Jews, and the Buddhists, and the Muslims, etc.

[Norstal]

Count the Agnostic.

31% + 12= 43%

Happy now?

Agnostics are by definition fence-sitters, so it would be fairly presumptuous to assign them all to one side.

Fact is, Christians remain the single largest voting bloc and I think it's time we pushed for our own sub-forum - a space to enjoy our friendships and our Faith, free from prejudice and moderated by our mods.

I lolled son. I lolled.

[Threlizdun]

And my posts said there are billions of outcomes and god leads you away from the entirely bad ones and leaves you to chose from the rest.

Which means you have no free will. The ability to make bad decisions is required for you to genuinly possess free will.

[Norstal]

I don't think you understand what free-will is.

The untampered ability to choose on your own without intervention?

What do you call "when an outcome isn't favorable what so ever, he pushes you away from it"?

[Neu California]

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[4years]

I did not say that you were not worthwhile, just that you would be more so if you diched the god. Religion just leads to religous wars, terrorrism, denial of science , and repressive social/poltical policies. Supporting it is obviously not worthwhile.

1. You certainly implied it
2. You're being very pessimistic in your views of religion, considering it was one of the factors that lead to various first civilizations.

1. I said you can do somthing worthwhile if you shuck the religion, I did not imply that you are not worthwhile, but that some of your actions are not worthwhile. I certainly hope that there is more to you than beleif in a specific diety.

2. You are being overly optimistic in your view and we are not in the first civilizations. Besides, religion was a negative in the first civilizations. Heard of human sacrifice?

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Agnostics are by definition fence-sitters, so it would be fairly presumptuous to assign them all to one side.

Fact is, Christians remain the single largest voting bloc and I think it's time we pushed for our own sub-forum - a space to enjoy our friendships and our Faith, free from prejudice and moderated by our mods.

I lolled son. I lolled.

A Christian NSG?

That should be interesting. But the militant atheist mods like Nathi and Arch will probably deny it. *nods*

[Lost heros]

1. You certainly implied it
2. You're being very pessimistic in your views of religion, considering it was one of the factors that lead to various first civilizations.

So just because war contributes to technology, we should view it as a good thing and encourage it?

The good of religion is far less than the bad. Religion has promoted good things like hope, culture, and values of caring.

Religion has also promoted bigotry, discrimination, outright racism, anti-scientific viewpoints, backwards beliefs, etc. If anything religion has done more to destroy mankind than to build us up as an advanced people.

I can't deny it hasn't done anything, but I can say that without religion the early people who didn't understand science, wouldn't have settled and produce an understanding of science, therefore religion causes science.

[Agymnum]

I lolled son. I lolled.

A Christian NSG?

That should be interesting. But the militant atheist mods like Nathi and Arch will probably deny it. *nods*

If a Christian NSG is ever made, I will create thousands of alts to troll it until it eventually gets closed and NSG returns to being non-denominational.

No lie.

[Norstal]

I lolled son. I lolled.

A Christian NSG?

That should be interesting. But the militant atheist mods like Nathi and Arch will probably deny it. *nods*

Errr Arch is Orthodox. Which, I suppose, in NSG Christians' eyes would be atheist. So yeah, I guess that makes sense.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

A Christian NSG?

That should be interesting. But the militant atheist mods like Nathi and Arch will probably deny it. *nods*

Errr Arch is Orthodox. Which, I suppose, in NSG Christians' eyes would be atheist. So yeah, I guess that makes sense.

I was being sarcastic, especially since Nathi is Mormon.

[Mavorpen]

How do you outnumber Atheists? WHY are you people IGNORING the agnostics?

Well, technically, agnosticism still acknowledges that a higher deity might exist, it's just not proven.

Atheism flat-out rejects the idea of a higher deity until it's proven.

That's not atheism.

[United Dependencies]

United Methodist Christian here

[South Cvandia]

Well, technically, agnosticism still acknowledges that a higher deity might exist, it's just not proven.

Atheism flat-out rejects the idea of a higher deity until it's proven.

That's not atheism.

Yes it is. No one can know without a doubt 100% whether there is, or isn't a god (With the evidence we have today), so in theory, we are all agnostic.

[Agymnum]

Well, technically, agnosticism still acknowledges that a higher deity might exist, it's just not proven.

Atheism flat-out rejects the idea of a higher deity until it's proven.

That's not atheism.

What's the rejection of a higher deity until flat-out proven, then?

Cuz that's my category.

[Mavorpen]

So just because war contributes to technology, we should view it as a good thing and encourage it?

The good of religion is far less than the bad. Religion has promoted good things like hope, culture, and values of caring.

Religion has also promoted bigotry, discrimination, outright racism, anti-scientific viewpoints, backwards beliefs, etc. If anything religion has done more to destroy mankind than to build us up as an advanced people.

I can't deny it hasn't done anything, but I can say that without religion the early people who didn't understand science, wouldn't have settled and produce an understanding of science, therefore religion causes science.

Wrong, the natural desire for knowledge and understanding of our surroundings, which is selected for by evolution causes science.

[Mavorpen]

That's not atheism.

What's the rejection of a higher deity until flat-out proven, then?

Cuz that's my category.

Atheism is the lack of belief in God/gods. Period. Agnosticism is the belief that we do not and cannot know whether a God/gods exists. They don't even deal with the same beliefs. One deals with belief in God, the other deals with belief of whether we can know or not.