NSG's Religious Census

[Agymnum]

I think he's questioning why you would believe, then?

If there's no empirical evidence for something, then believing in it is ludicrous. It would be like if someone believed that ponies could actually speak English and fly, and that they controlled the weather. No proof = No logic.

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Sorry, bronies.

It is called faith.

Consider me the first convert to bronyism, then, since we've decided to flush logic down the toilet.

[Mavorpen]

You spelled gullibility wrong.

You want to believe that life is pointless, and our pointless lives have no worth, go ahead. I'll continue to have hope.

That literally has absolutely nothing to do with hope. Not one bit.

[Mavorpen]

It is called faith.

Consider me the first convert to bronyism, then, since we've decided to flush logic down the toilet.

You are NOT the first covert.

[Threlizdun]

You spelled gullibility wrong.

You want to believe that life is pointless, and our pointless lives have no worth, go ahead. I'll continue to have hope.

So you believe that your desire for life to have some objective meaning has the power to alter the universe and will a being into existence?

[Lost heros]

It is called faith.

Consider me the first convert to bronyism, then, since we've decided to flush logic down the toilet.

Ok, I won't question your beliefs, as long as you don't persecute mine.

You want to believe that life is pointless, and our pointless lives have no worth, go ahead. I'll continue to have hope.

That literally has absolutely nothing to do with hope. Not one bit.

Hope there is something greater out there than I am, that wants me to do good for the benefit of others?

[Agymnum]

You spelled gullibility wrong.

You want to believe that life is pointless, and our pointless lives have no worth, go ahead. I'll continue to have hope.

Life has more point because I don't believe in an afterlife.

If God is going to bring me to heaven, why should I ever try to accomplish anything on Earth? If anything, faith promotes mediocrity. Just do enough good deeds and such to get by, and you're good when you die.

For me, this is my only life. I need to make it count. I need to make an impact on others because after I'm dead no one will remember me. I need to somehow help and reach out to people in a manner that they remember so that when I die I'll go on as an idea - as a symbol of something.

[Lost heros]

You want to believe that life is pointless, and our pointless lives have no worth, go ahead. I'll continue to have hope.

So you believe that your desire for life to have some objective meaning has the power to alter the universe and will a being into existence?

Or I believe the being existed first, and willed us into existence, and I have faith he did it for some purpose.

[Mavorpen]

Hope there is something greater out there than I am, that wants me to do good for the benefit of others?

No. Hope in general. Your hope is one of the worst, because it pretends to be not selfish, when it is. The belief that an all powerful being created us in its image, and give a shit about what hairless apes does on a tiny speck of dust in a random galaxy in a random universe is narcissistic and completely unnecessary to do good.

[Agymnum]

So you believe that your desire for life to have some objective meaning has the power to alter the universe and will a being into existence?

Or I believe the being existed first, and willed us into existence, and I have faith he did it for some purpose.

Why does a higher being have to give you a purpose?

Can you not make a purpose for yourself? Can you not determine what impact you will leave?

Your original claim that we Atheists have no hope and believe life is pointless is unfounded. We believe life has a point - and we are here to determine that point. Not God, not Allah, not Yaweh, not any of the Greek/Roman/Hindu/Polytheistic gods. Just us.

[4years]

Consider me the first convert to bronyism, then, since we've decided to flush logic down the toilet.

You are NOT the first covert.

I'll play along...

Heathens, fluffy is lord. http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2008/ ... 381581.jpg Convert or die.

[Lost heros]

Hope there is something greater out there than I am, that wants me to do good for the benefit of others?

No. Hope in general. Your hope is one of the worst, because it pretends to be not selfish, when it is. The belief that an all powerful being created us in its image, and give a shit about what hairless apes does on a tiny speck of dust in a random galaxy in a random universe is narcissistic and completely unnecessary to do good.

What are your hopes than?

[Mavorpen]

No. Hope in general. Your hope is one of the worst, because it pretends to be not selfish, when it is. The belief that an all powerful being created us in its image, and give a shit about what hairless apes does on a tiny speck of dust in a random galaxy in a random universe is narcissistic and completely unnecessary to do good.

What are your hopes than?

To become enlightened.

[Agymnum]

No. Hope in general. Your hope is one of the worst, because it pretends to be not selfish, when it is. The belief that an all powerful being created us in its image, and give a shit about what hairless apes does on a tiny speck of dust in a random galaxy in a random universe is narcissistic and completely unnecessary to do good.

What are your hopes than?

We hope that when we die we will leave a lasting impact on humanity.

Whether it's inventing something to make people's lives better, helping the poor gain better livelihoods, or any of those things, we hope to leave a lasting impact on humanity.

[Threlizdun]

So you believe that your desire for life to have some objective meaning has the power to alter the universe and will a being into existence?

Or I believe the being existed first, and willed us into existence, and I have faith he did it for some purpose.

Your arguement for a deity's existence was desire for life to have meaning. If you have some evidence to back up your claims, then I would be happy to hear them.

[Lost heros]

Or I believe the being existed first, and willed us into existence, and I have faith he did it for some purpose.

Why does a higher being have to give you a purpose?

Can you not make a purpose for yourself? Can you not determine what impact you will leave?

Your original claim that we Atheists have no hope and believe life is pointless is unfounded. We believe life has a point - and we are here to determine that point. Not God, not Allah, not Yaweh, not any of the Greek/Roman/Hindu/Polytheistic gods. Just us.

If you truly believe that you are able to make a purpose for yourselves, have fun with it, I am not going to stop you, but I will believe there is some sort of guidance out there to help me find my purpose that it gave me.

[4years]

No. Hope in general. Your hope is one of the worst, because it pretends to be not selfish, when it is. The belief that an all powerful being created us in its image, and give a shit about what hairless apes does on a tiny speck of dust in a random galaxy in a random universe is narcissistic and completely unnecessary to do good.

What are your hopes than?

I hope that people will stop believing in god(s) without empirical evidence or even a decent theoretical arguement.

[Mavorpen]

If you truly believe that you are able to make a purpose for yourselves, have fun with it, I am not going to stop you, but I will believe there is some sort of guidance out there to help me find my purpose that it gave me.

Please, prove that you can't make your own purpose.

[Agymnum]

Why does a higher being have to give you a purpose?

Can you not make a purpose for yourself? Can you not determine what impact you will leave?

Your original claim that we Atheists have no hope and believe life is pointless is unfounded. We believe life has a point - and we are here to determine that point. Not God, not Allah, not Yaweh, not any of the Greek/Roman/Hindu/Polytheistic gods. Just us.

If you truly believe that you are able to make a purpose for yourselves, have fun with it, I am not going to stop you, but I will believe there is some sort of guidance out there to help me find my purpose that it gave me.

So religion is a crutch for you. You require guidance to find your purpose.

[Lost heros]

Or I believe the being existed first, and willed us into existence, and I have faith he did it for some purpose.

Your arguement for a deity's existence was desire for life to have meaning. If you have some evidence to back up your claims, then I would be happy to hear them.

There isn't evidence and I am not ashamed to admit that. That still doesn't mean I can't hope in its existence

[Lost heros]

If you truly believe that you are able to make a purpose for yourselves, have fun with it, I am not going to stop you, but I will believe there is some sort of guidance out there to help me find my purpose that it gave me.

So religion is a crutch for you. You require guidance to find your purpose.

So?

If you truly believe that you are able to make a purpose for yourselves, have fun with it, I am not going to stop you, but I will believe there is some sort of guidance out there to help me find my purpose that it gave me.

Please, prove that you can't make your own purpose.

Do you know what you are here for?

[Threlizdun]

If you truly believe that you are able to make a purpose for yourselves, have fun with it, I am not going to stop you, but I will believe there is some sort of guidance out there to help me find my purpose that it gave me.

Now this is the thing I least understand about theists. How the hell does the idea that some divine tyrant is dictating every aspect of your life even remotely appealing? How are the standards they supposedly offered us to adhere to any superior to those we can find on our own?

There isn't evidence and I am not ashamed to admit that. That still doesn't mean I can't hope in its existence

Which means you are willing something into existence because it makes life more comfortable for you.

[Mavorpen]

Do you know what you are here for?

I...just told you. Like a few minutes ago.

What are your hopes than?

To become enlightened.

[Lost heros]

What are your hopes than?

I hope that people will stop believing in god(s) without empirical evidence or even a decent theoretical arguement.

So you wish to remove many people's hopes.

What are your hopes than?

We hope that when we die we will leave a lasting impact on humanity.

Whether it's inventing something to make people's lives better, helping the poor gain better livelihoods, or any of those things, we hope to leave a lasting impact on humanity.

But what is humanity other than a bunch of hairless apes does on a tiny speck of dust in a random galaxy in a random universe

[Lost heros]

If you truly believe that you are able to make a purpose for yourselves, have fun with it, I am not going to stop you, but I will believe there is some sort of guidance out there to help me find my purpose that it gave me.

Now this is the thing I least understand about theists. How the hell does the idea that some divine tyrant is dictating every aspect of your life even remotely appealing? How are the standards they supposedly offered us to adhere to any superior to those we can find on our own?

There isn't evidence and I am not ashamed to admit that. That still doesn't mean I can't hope in its existence

Which means you are willing something into existence because it makes life more comfortable for you.

Your second statement pretty much answered what you don't understand in the first.
It makes it more comfortable for us, to believe we have guidance.

Do you know what you are here for?

I...just told you. Like a few minutes ago.

To become enlightened.

Sorry, it isn't easy playing catch up.
What does that even mean?

[Mavorpen]

So you wish to remove many people's hopes.

No one's removing anything. It's painfully obvious that he means voluntarily, in which case you'd think they'd have enough sense to realize that religious hope is false hope?