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by Minarchist Territory of Pineland » Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:07 pm
Blakk Metal wrote:How did tape trading work anyways?
Meryuma wrote:There are several anarchist schools of thought with regards to economics, some of which advocate markets and some of which don't. A market system is not necessarily capitalist, BTW.
Someone once asked me "Tell me, how do you define hypocrisy?".
And I said to him "Hypocrisy, for me, is a socialist preaching about the prestige and merit of an anti-capitalist comedian's message, praising his critical thought regarding commodity and exchange value, but then going out and buying his DVD."
While you're praising the message, that comedian is only using left wing agendas as a gimmick. While you're listing him as an inspiration, he's getting richer.
by Meryuma » Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:30 pm
Minarchist Territory of Pineland wrote: was asking what YOU thought. What YOUR methodology was. And you chose to go silent and vague.
Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.
Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."
Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.
Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.
Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...
*puts on sunglasses*
blow out of proportions."
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
by Minarchist Territory of Pineland » Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:31 pm
Someone once asked me "Tell me, how do you define hypocrisy?".
And I said to him "Hypocrisy, for me, is a socialist preaching about the prestige and merit of an anti-capitalist comedian's message, praising his critical thought regarding commodity and exchange value, but then going out and buying his DVD."
While you're praising the message, that comedian is only using left wing agendas as a gimmick. While you're listing him as an inspiration, he's getting richer.
by Shatters » Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:43 pm
Republic Of Hell wrote:Gary Johnson will let you smoke weed, how can you still not vote for him?
by Arumdaum » Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:46 pm
Alaje wrote:Cestallo wrote:Why would a party like the Libertarians - well known for supporting individual freedom and personal sovereignty - join with a group of hardcore socialists and anti-propertarians? By far a better strategy for breaking the corporate-liberal elite is Right-Wing Populism, which will soon have great success as the establishment crashes all around us.
The left and right are useless, the center is the way forward.
by Norsklow » Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:50 pm
by Arumdaum » Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:53 pm
by Meryuma » Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:53 pm
Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.
Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."
Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.
Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.
Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...
*puts on sunglasses*
blow out of proportions."
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
by Norsklow » Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:54 pm
by Arumdaum » Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:57 pm
by Meryuma » Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:59 pm
Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.
Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."
Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.
Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.
Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...
*puts on sunglasses*
blow out of proportions."
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
by Arumdaum » Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:59 pm
Christian Democrats wrote:Blakk Metal wrote:Outside the collectivist hellhole that is the United States, the 'Publicans would be considered fascist.Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation.~ The Market for Liberty, by Linda and Morris Tannehill
Economically and fiscally, Republicans are distant from the fascist ideology.
by Franklin Delano Bluth » Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:04 pm
by Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:05 pm
Arumdaum wrote:Christian Democrats wrote:Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation.~ The Market for Liberty, by Linda and Morris Tannehill
Economically and fiscally, Republicans are distant from the fascist ideology.
Hahahahahahaha, that is not what fascism is.
by Franklin Delano Bluth » Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:06 pm
Liberty of Republic wrote:Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:I don't deny that they're for something they call economic freedom. Just that what they call economic freedom isn't really economic freedom, just like even though Calvinism calls itself Christianity it isn't really Christianity but rather institutionalized narcissism.
You equate free for all in having a job and stuff as economic freedom? Your joking right?
Economic freedom is when(and I pulled out my handy dandy dictionary for you)freedom to produce, trade and consume any goods and services acquired without the use of force, fraud or theft.
And I am sorry as soon as you enter the state into this, it is not free anymore. And apparently YOU want more state intervention, which means LESS freedom.
Same goes for personal and political freedoms too. Which the Libertarian party supports.
"As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others." http://www.lp.org/platform
by Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:07 pm
by Meryuma » Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:07 pm
Christian Democrats wrote:Blakk Metal wrote:Outside the collectivist hellhole that is the United States, the 'Publicans would be considered fascist.Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation.~ The Market for Liberty, by Linda and Morris Tannehill
Economically and fiscally, Republicans are distant from the fascist ideology.
Fascism (play /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2] Fascists seek to unify their nation based on commitment to an organic national community where its individuals are united together as one people through national identity.[3][4] The unity of the nation is to be based upon suprapersonal connections of ancestry and culture through a totalitarian state that seeks the mass mobilization of the national community through discipline, indoctrination, physical training, and eugenics.[3][4]
Fascism - definition
A totalitarian philosophy of government that glorifies the state and nation and assigns to the state control over every aspect of national life. The name was first used by the party started by Benito Mussolini , who ruled Italy from 1922 until the Italian defeat in World War II. However, it has also been applied to similar ideologies in other countries, e.g., to National Socialism in Germany and to the regime of Francisco Franco in Spain.
fas·cism
[fash-iz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1.
( sometimes initial capital letter ) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2.
( sometimes initial capital letter ) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3.
( initial capital letter ) a fascist movement, especially the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.
often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.
Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."
Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.
Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.
Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...
*puts on sunglasses*
blow out of proportions."
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
by Franklin Delano Bluth » Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:08 pm
Liberty of Republic wrote:Wow some people on here have a distorted view of liberty and freedom. So you will take the FREEDOM of the employer away to give it to the employee?
What makes the employee more special?
Did he start the business and put risk into it? No.
by Franklin Delano Bluth » Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:09 pm
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:Meanwhile, in the real world, it's not possible to have one without the other.
So for all practical purposes, they effectively are. And libertarians hate both.
Bluth, sometimes, you make my head hurt.
I'm going to regret this.
Please explain.
*regrets it*
by PapaJacky » Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:09 pm
Meryuma wrote:
When I pointed out that it was an ad hominem for you to dismiss my arguments based on my ideology, you asked why I think my ideology would work. You're incapable of admitting a mistake - instead you try and change the subject in hopes it can be swept under the rug.Shatters wrote:
I always thought that syndicalist where a type of anarchist.....
You have anarcho-syndicalists and non-anarchist syndicalists as well.
As for the "Fair"Tax, it's an over 20% national sales tax. The sensible alternative is geoism.
by Meryuma » Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:34 pm
PapaJacky wrote:Meryuma wrote:
When I pointed out that it was an ad hominem for you to dismiss my arguments based on my ideology, you asked why I think my ideology would work. You're incapable of admitting a mistake - instead you try and change the subject in hopes it can be swept under the rug.
You have anarcho-syndicalists and non-anarchist syndicalists as well.
As for the "Fair"Tax, it's an over 20% national sales tax. The sensible alternative is geoism.
The sensible alternative is ending SSA, downsizing the military to focus on R&D and not procurement, removing religious exemptions from taxes, closing tax expenditures for the wealthy, and ending the Bush Tax Cuts on the wealthy as well.
Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.
Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."
Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.
Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.
Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...
*puts on sunglasses*
blow out of proportions."
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
by Minarchist Territory of Pineland » Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:38 pm
Meryuma wrote:
When I pointed out that it was an ad hominem for you to dismiss my arguments based on my ideology, you asked why I think my ideology would work. You're incapable of admitting a mistake - instead you try and change the subject in hopes it can be swept under the rug.
Someone once asked me "Tell me, how do you define hypocrisy?".
And I said to him "Hypocrisy, for me, is a socialist preaching about the prestige and merit of an anti-capitalist comedian's message, praising his critical thought regarding commodity and exchange value, but then going out and buying his DVD."
While you're praising the message, that comedian is only using left wing agendas as a gimmick. While you're listing him as an inspiration, he's getting richer.
by Meryuma » Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:13 pm
Minarchist Territory of Pineland wrote:Meryuma wrote:
When I pointed out that it was an ad hominem for you to dismiss my arguments based on my ideology, you asked why I think my ideology would work. You're incapable of admitting a mistake - instead you try and change the subject in hopes it can be swept under the rug.
And I've already told you I'm not dismissing your arguments, or trying to apply any ad hominem. I am simply asking you, and waiting for, your own detailed portrayal of how you would achieve your means of survival, in a world shaped by your own definition of economic freedom, which from the discussion so far seems to be akin to that of a hypothetical world where employment and bosses do not exist (or at the very least, a boss isn't in charge of their own company). So, how will you pull this off? If I was dismissing anything, it was the credibility of ideological sheep, who sprout an ideology name and think it equates to a sophisticated answer. I was actually trying to give you more credit, and allow you to explain your individual perception and methodology.
I'm not exactly asking you to split the atom here. I can't dismiss something, if you haven't even said it yet.
Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.
Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."
Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.
Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.
Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...
*puts on sunglasses*
blow out of proportions."
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
by Communal Ecotopia » Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:29 pm
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