A Green-Libertarian Alliance

by **Genivaria** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:30 pm

Like many other Americans I have become tired of our rather limited choices when it comes to voting, the Republicans have gone off the deep end to the far-right and thus dragging the Democrats to the center.

Lately however many people have begun to support Third Party candidates such as Libertarian Gary Johnson and Green Jill Stein, both support civil liberties and oppose the interventionist policies of the previous administrations.

There main difference comes from their economic stances and the role of government in the market.

So who should 3rd party voters choose?

You could naturally vote for one or the other, but what is the likelihood of them getting enough votes to oppose the 2 main parties?
I believe that it would be far more effective if the 2 parties were to merge and therefore combine there voting base into one, and perhaps being able to challenge the 2 main parties.

I support a Green-Libertarian Alliance on the platform of Peace, Freedom, and Centrist Economics, unconcerned with ideology but only concerned with what works.

What say you General?

by **Alyekra** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:33 pm

If they did merge, I believe they'd win the election. But one of them would have to "loose" as the Green party is quite leftist, IIRC.

by **Risottia** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:33 pm

Genivaria wrote:...I support a Green-Libertarian Alliance on the platform of Peace, Freedom, and Centrist Economics, unconcerned with ideology but only concerned with what works.

Satan would be needing a winter cape lined with fur and a serious ushanka the day I supported a Green-Libertarian alliance.

by **Norsklow** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:35 pm

I do not see Libertarians and Greens coming to terms over ecological issues.

by **Genivaria** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:36 pm

Risottia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:...I support a Green-Libertarian Alliance on the platform of Peace, Freedom, and Centrist Economics, unconcerned with ideology but only concerned with what works.

Satan would be needing a winter cape lined with fur and a serious ushanka the day I supported a Green-Libertarian alliance.

Why not?

by **Shadowlandistan** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:36 pm

Literally, the only 2 issues there could be an alliance on is foreign policy and civil liberties.

by **Norsklow** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:36 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Satan would be needing a winter cape lined with fur and a serious ushanka the day I supported a Green-Libertarian alliance.

Why not?

Check his flag. Never mind the pony.

by **North Wiedna** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:37 pm

Why would this be a good idea? Their bases are completely different. It'd look like a desperate grab for power and they wouldn't get very far anyway.

by **Farnhamia** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:40 pm

Risottia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:...I support a Green-Libertarian Alliance on the platform of Peace, Freedom, and Centrist Economics, unconcerned with ideology but only concerned with what works.

Satan would be needing a winter cape lined with fur and a serious ushanka the day I supported a Green-Libertarian alliance.

Or on the day they could even agree to talk about merging.

by **Nua Corda** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:41 pm

Part of the Greens' major ideology is curbing the excess of big business and corporate interests in politics, as well as improving welfare and providing better healthcare and education. Libertarians are economically irresponsible and don't give a damn about the poor, or what the corporations do to us. I can't see how they would ever get along.

by **Risottia** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:42 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Satan would be needing a winter cape lined with fur and a serious ushanka the day I supported a Green-Libertarian alliance.

Why not?

1.I don't like centrist economics. They tend to end up racking up massive debts who then have to be paid for by the lowest classes, or towards a form of stagflation and social immobility.

2.Greens. I don't trust them to be competent on the whole landscape of the political issues. They'd merely do what the Libs would say, expecially in the most meaningful fields, such as welfare, healthcare, education, labour and equality.

3.Libertarians. Aka lolbertarians. People who want to eliminate public schooling, welfare, public healthcare, and workers' rights.

No ty.

Norsklow wrote:Check his flag. Never mind the pony.

ALWAYS mind the pony.

by **Norsklow** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:45 pm

Risottia wrote:No ty.

Norsklow wrote:Check his flag. Never mind the pony.

ALWAYS mind the pony.

Only when I need more bones for the Irish Stew

by **Christian Democrats** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:45 pm

Genivaria wrote:Like many other Americans I have become tired of our rather limited choices when it comes to voting, the Republicans have gone off the deep end to the far-right and thus dragging the Democrats to the center.

Actually, the Democratic Party has become more left-wing due to the emigration of Southerners from the party.

Also, do you even know what the far-right is? National socialism, fascism, etc.

The Republican Party is a broad center-right coalition; it includes conservatives of all shades, libertarians, and right-wing populists.

by **Samuraikoku** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:47 pm

I support the Democrats, but suit yourselves, playas.

by **The USOT** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:52 pm

Alyekra wrote:If they did merge, I believe they'd win the election. But one of them would have to "loose" as the Green party is quite leftist, IIRC.

This is the issue. As a whole, green politics and modern libertarianism tend to be at odds with eachother on a fair few issues.
That and it sound like a really weird party to vote for. I mean the republicans and democrats are vague enough to encompass so many people, whilst the green libertarian party sound at first glance annoying to many libertarians and annoying to many greens.

by **Mushet** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:53 pm

I feel like even if this party did get the presidency they wouldn't be able to make any real change to the status quo, could be wrong though

by **Yewhohohopia** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:54 pm

Is there even one issue of domestic policy they agree on?

by **Shatters** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:54 pm

Genivaria wrote:I believe that it would be far more effective if the 2 parties were to merge and therefore combine there voting base into one, and perhaps being able to challenge the 2 main parties.

nearly no chance in hell.

I support a Green-Libertarian Alliance on the platform of Peace, Freedom, and Centrist Economics...

Peace&Freedom are good; centrist economics (if that is somehow compatible with freedom..... ) not so good.

... unconcerned with ideology but only concerned with what works.

..... sounds like a "ends justify the means" type argument. The ends are only ever a means to yet another ends. The means must be justifiable on there own merit.

by **Norsklow** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:55 pm

Yewhohohopia wrote:Is there even one issue of domestic policy they agree on?

Yes. Civil Liberties.
And there is another:
a joint belief in the need to defeat the Dempublicans.

by **Yewhohohopia** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:57 pm

Norsklow wrote:
Yewhohohopia wrote:Is there even one issue of domestic policy they agree on?

Yes. Civil Liberties.

Err not really.

Libertarian approach is "maintain and perhaps even concentrate retarded old ideas within state boundaries. Oh but yeah weed or something, so we're cool, right?", whereas the Green approach is more "shut your fucking face, states, nobody likes your style. But everyone can have equal rights now, which is a Good Thing You Will Learn To Appreciate".

by **AETEN II** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:58 pm

Norsklow wrote:I do not see Libertarians and Greens coming to terms over ecological issues.

Fuck, I doubt that they would even have the numbers to elect a senator.

by **Shatters** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:00 pm

Yewhohohopia wrote:Is there even one issue of domestic policy they agree on?

pot, gay rights, etc, etc...... the difference there is going to be that LP'ers are going only be in favor legalizing, whereas Greens are going to be in favor of forced tolerance.....

but anyway, the LP has been the US's third largest party for a long time now..... so if the Greens want an alliance why don't they just vote LP?

(note: Though I do consider myself a libertarian, I do not support the Libertarian Party and when referring to myself as 'a libertarian' I am careful to never capitalize the word even when starting a sentence.)

by **Yewhohohopia** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:02 pm

Shatters wrote:
Yewhohohopia wrote:Is there even one issue of domestic policy they agree on?

pot, gay rights, etc, etc.

Yeah but again, not really.

Greens - "these are a good thing, have these rights and such"
Libertarians - "yeah let's put this up for a vote, see also the long-established legality of abortions".

by **Norsklow** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:04 pm

AETEN II wrote:
Norsklow wrote:I do not see Libertarians and Greens coming to terms over ecological issues.

Fuck, I doubt that they would even have the numbers to elect a senator.

Did the LP alone not already manage to elevate a wrestler or two into Governorship?

by **Shatters** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:05 pm

Norsklow wrote:
AETEN II wrote:Fuck, I doubt that they would even have the numbers to elect a senator.

Did the LP alone not already manage to elevate a wrestler or two into Governorship?

Jesse Venture leans that way, but he's always ran as independent.

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