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Postby Vazdania » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:27 pm

Menassa wrote:
Vazdania wrote:I am a Non-trinitarian Baptist. I believe in God Jesus and the Holy Spirit, and believe that each of them preform separate functions, and I believe in all 3 of them. But I do not believe they are the same being.

Polytheism much?


No. There is 1 and only 1 God. This is obvious based on the Bible. However I've read the Bible over and over and it seems to me that they are 3 independent spirits. 1 God, 1 Savior, 1 Fire.
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Postby United Kingdom of Muffins » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:28 pm

1. I think the creation story is a metaphor. (gasp)
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Postby Menassa » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:28 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Menassa wrote:Polytheism much?


No. There is 1 and only 1 God. This is obvious based on the Bible. However I've read the Bible over and over and it seems to me that they are 3 independent spirits. 1 God, 1 Savior, 1 Fire.

What was the first bible book you read?
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Postby The USOT » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:38 pm

United Kingdom of Muffins wrote:1. I think the creation story is a metaphor. (gasp)
Out of interest, a metaphor for what?
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Postby CVT Temp » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:40 pm

The USOT wrote:Out of interest, a metaphor for what?


A lot of people think it's a metaphor for sex, that the original sin was fucking.
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Postby Menassa » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:41 pm

CVT Temp wrote:
The USOT wrote:Out of interest, a metaphor for what?


A lot of people think it's a metaphor for sex, that the original sin was fucking.

How so?
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Postby CVT Temp » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:46 pm

Menassa wrote:How so?


"Accepting the fruit of knowledge from a serpent."

"Knowledge" often referred to carnal knowledge.

I'm not saying it's the correct interpretation. I'm saying it's what some others think. The bible isn't my book anyway.
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Postby Choronzon » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:47 pm

So, I'd be curious to know how many of you ascribe to the idea that the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is actually a condemnation of lacking hospitality rather than a condemnation on homosexuality.
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Postby Menassa » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:48 pm

CVT Temp wrote:
Menassa wrote:How so?


"Accepting the fruit of knowledge from a serpent."

"Knowledge" often referred to carnal knowledge.

I'm not saying it's the correct interpretation. I'm saying it's what some others think. The bible isn't my book anyway.

Moses lead the children out of "Egypt"

"Egypt" is a country.

"America is a country"

Moses lead the children out of america?
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Postby CVT Temp » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:49 pm

Menassa wrote:Moses lead the children out of "Egypt"

"Egypt" is a country.

"America is a country"

Moses lead the children out of america?


I think the serpent was also supposed to be a penis.

Again, it's not even my book. I have no stake in the outcome here.
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Postby The USOT » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:50 pm

CVT Temp wrote:
Menassa wrote:How so?


"Accepting the fruit of knowledge from a serpent."

"Knowledge" often referred to carnal knowledge.

I'm not saying it's the correct interpretation. I'm saying it's what some others think. The bible isn't my book anyway.
That is interesting actually... I know there is a trend amongst some myths to compare fruit (when unspecified) to sex...
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Postby CVT Temp » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:51 pm

The USOT wrote:That is interesting actually... I know there is a trend amongst some myths to compare fruit (when unspecified) to sex...


Yes, this i true.
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Postby Vulpae » Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:59 pm

I believe in evolution, basically that god plays with dominoes not dice. The entire evolution debate stems not from facts but from from people trying to find mankind's place within the universe.
On one side you have the zealous creationists who take the stubborn view "god created man, thus we are important. You must thus be wrong, it says so here in my book." and the hard core evolutionists who take the nihilistic view "evolution proves we came from monkies, Thus we are tiny and usless, and you are all morons for not realizing life is pointless."
Both sides basically yell at each other and plug their ears.

Meanwhile many people have moved past it. "Sure we have evolved, god still loves us"

I also believe that many modern faiths, have a hint of god's hand and influence in them, basically trying to get us to get along and find a way to better ourselves and our spirit.

Choronzon wrote:So, I'd be curious to know how many of you ascribe to the idea that the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is actually a condemnation of lacking hospitality rather than a condemnation on homosexuality.

basically, I think it wasn't so much the fact they had girls (and guys) sleeping together, but the fact the people there would mug you, rape you (they tried to do so to the angels that were sent to see if the city should be spared.), and sell you into slavery.

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Postby Grenartia » Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:10 am

Chinamerica wrote:I was baptised Catholic but rarely go to church, when I do they're usually Church of England or Methodist, I do not believe in much of the Old Testament (e.g. Adam and Eve, Noah's Ark) but I believe in most of the New Testament and the story of Jesus, I don't believe in he'll but I believe in a heaven that everyone goes to and some kind of reincarnation. I believe in a soul, I'm probably pro-gay marriage but in most cases anti-abortion. Also, I see little difference between different types of Christians or even between Christians and Jews.

Are there any other theistic Christians here who have beliefs that aren't mainstream in your denomination?

(Also, no anti-Christian flaming please.)


I believe that God doesn't consider being LGBT a sin. I also believe in reincarnation, but I do believe in a form of Hell (though not an eternal one). I also believe that there is no one true religion. I believe that the story of creation as told in Genesis is not a literal account of creation, but a figurative one (I accept the Big Bang Theory and the theory of evolution as scientific facts, because they don't necessarily disprove the existence of God).

I'm not sure what denomination I fit into, to be honest. I was raised in a non-denominational church (though it was rather fundamentalist), then brought up in a Southern Baptist environment, though I don't agree entirely (obviously) with the teachings of either.
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Postby Grenartia » Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:14 am

Choronzon wrote:So, I'd be curious to know how many of you ascribe to the idea that the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is actually a condemnation of lacking hospitality rather than a condemnation on homosexuality.


I ascribe to that idea, and add on to it that it is also a condemnation of rape.
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Postby Der Teutoniker » Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:24 am

Though I guess I would identify loosely as a Protestant non-denominational Christian, I have a couple of "unorthodox" beliefs. "Orthodoxy" here referring to standard Western thoughts.

I don't believe in the Catholic version of Original Sin. I tend to go more with the Eastern interpretation of it.

I fully support same-sex marriage, and separation of Church and State (in accordance with Jesus' teachings.) I don't believe that homosexuality is something that actually inhibits one's "Christianity" as it were.

I don't support "once saved always saved" ideology, or with it infant baptism.

I don't believe that every little thing is an act of God necessarily. God has a Will that will be realized - but the steps are effectively variable. For example, athletes who lose often appeal to God, saying that victory was not in God's Will. I generally reject such attributions. I do not believe that God cares about football games (either kind) or Survivor winners, or many of the mundane, controllable things in our lives.

I have more as well, I'm sure. Basically, I read Jesus' teachings, and believe that. The rest of the Bible is significantly less important for my day-to-day life. Many good teachings, though.
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Postby Norsklow » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:26 am

Choronzon wrote:So, I'd be curious to know how many of you ascribe to the idea that the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is actually a condemnation of lacking hospitality rather than a condemnation on homosexuality.



A condemnation and a metaphore on Rape+Snuff. I think Ezekiel bears this out.
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Postby Krownsinburg » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:31 am

I am a Deist, meaning I don't believe God interfers with anything he's created.

If you consider that unorthodox, then yes, I have unorthodox beliefs.
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Postby Khodoristan » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:31 am

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Silician wrote:That's a good question, I'm not exactly sure myself :lol:. But my belief is that I shouldn't be ignorant and I should accept the fact that evolution is scientifically correct. I do believe that humans were created separately by God, though. Obviously humans have "evolved" in the sense that they're intellectually better than early humans (Cro-Magnon, Neanderthals, etc.) and I think that's due to natural selection. But the idea that we've evolved from chimpanzees is not evident. If we indeed evolved from gorillas or chimpanzees, wouldn't the gorillas or chimpanzees not exist in today's society?

If Americans were Europeans, why do Europeans exist?


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Postby Tekania » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:38 am

Risottia wrote:I would guess that every Catholic and every Protestant etc has an unOrthodox belief.


unOrthodox yes, but not unorthodox. You see, the Orthodox are orthodox, but not all orthodox are Orthodox.
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Postby Tekania » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:40 am

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Just answered my edit.

But there's a difference between being a Christian and following his teachings. Trusting in him for your salvation is the only thing you need to be a Christian, but as I see it it requires you to believe he's God.

Trusting in his teaching to bring you closer to God. (He may have become one with God upon his death, but during his time on Earth he was 100% human.) My denomination holds that the concepts of the Virgin Birth and the worship of him as a separate diety were made up later


Trinitarians don't worship Christ as a "seperate diety", rather He is worshiped as a distinct person within the Godhead.
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Postby The Pacistien Republic » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:46 am

Honestly as a catholic, i can say i don't agree with all doctrines. Like voting for the Republicans for EVERY electiion, or depreiving the homosexual community there rights.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:48 am

Tekania wrote:
Risottia wrote:I would guess that every Catholic and every Protestant etc has an unOrthodox belief.


unOrthodox yes, but not unorthodox. You see, the Orthodox are orthodox, but not all orthodox are Orthodox.


Of course we Orthodox are orthodox; therefore all non-Orthdox are heterodox, and have some unorthodox beliefs. It is possible that some Orthodox hold unorthodox beliefs too, but not necessarily heterodox ones that are unOrthodox. But while all Orthodox are orthodox, even if they hold unorthodox but not heterodox beliefs, your statement that not all orthodox are Orthodox is only ever true within particular subsets of heterodoxy.

I hope that clears things up.

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Postby Raeyh » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:49 am

The Pacistien Republic wrote:Honestly as a catholic, i can say i don't agree with all doctrines. Like voting for the Republicans for EVERY electiion, or depreiving the homosexual community there rights.


I think that varies from priest to priest. I've heard of some supporting democrats and some supporting republicans.

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Postby Norsklow » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:53 am

Menassa wrote:
Vazdania wrote:I am a Non-trinitarian Baptist. I believe in God Jesus and the Holy Spirit, and believe that each of them preform separate functions, and I believe in all 3 of them. But I do not believe they are the same being.

Polytheism much?


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