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Postby Raeyh » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:56 am

Norsklow wrote:
Menassa wrote:Polytheism much?


No. Get over it.


So, in other words, you don't believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ.

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Postby Scholencia » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:56 am

The Pacistien Republic wrote:Honestly as a catholic, i can say i don't agree with all doctrines. Like voting for the Republicans for EVERY electiion, or depreiving the homosexual community there rights.

whats wrong with the republicans?

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Postby Norsklow » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:59 am

Raeyh wrote:
Norsklow wrote:
No. Get over it.


So, in other words, you don't believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ.


Already answered by Tekania. So stop pulling stuff out of your behind.
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Postby Norsklow » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:00 am

Scholencia wrote:
The Pacistien Republic wrote:Honestly as a catholic, i can say i don't agree with all doctrines. Like voting for the Republicans for EVERY electiion, or depreiving the homosexual community there rights.

whats wrong with the republicans?

A great deal - but there are already several threads for that.
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Postby Frisivisia » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:04 am

Norsklow wrote:
Menassa wrote:Polytheism much?


No. Get over it.

Wait, so he says "I believe in God and the Holy Ghost, and that they are different beings", then you get mad when someone says it's polytheism? Dafuq?
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Postby Raeyh » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:06 am

Norsklow wrote:
Raeyh wrote:
So, in other words, you don't believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ.


Already answered by Tekania. So stop pulling stuff out of your behind.


But you said you didn't believe in the Trinity.

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Postby Norsklow » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:12 am

Raeyh wrote:
Norsklow wrote:
Already answered by Tekania. So stop pulling stuff out of your behind.


But you said you didn't believe in the Trinity.


Where did I do so?
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Postby Raeyh » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:18 am

Norsklow wrote:
Raeyh wrote:
But you said you didn't believe in the Trinity.


Where did I do so?


I confused you with Vazdania.

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Postby Norsklow » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:20 am

Raeyh wrote:
Norsklow wrote:
Where did I do so?


I confused you with Vazdania.


*wihdraws claws*
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"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, with so little, for so long, we are now qualified to do anything, with nothing"

Don't call me Beny! Am I your Father or something? http://paanluelwel2011.wordpress.com/20 ... honorable/
And I way too young to be Beny bith.
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Postby Minarchist Territory of Pineland » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:25 am

I treat most things as simply a different interpretation of the same thing, in the first place, anyway. While I was raised catholic, there's no reason I shouldn't be able to incorporate eastern elements (whether still abrahamic in the sense of Islam, or other spiritual outlooks like Buddhism or Hinduism) to help enhance my understanding, and study more of an overview.
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Postby Norsklow » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:31 am

Frisivisia wrote:
Norsklow wrote:
No. Get over it.

Wait, so he says "I believe in God and the Holy Ghost, and that they are different beings", then you get mad when someone says it's polytheism? Dafuq?



Do check the quicunque vult.

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Don't call me Beny! Am I your Father or something? http://paanluelwel2011.wordpress.com/20 ... honorable/
And I way too young to be Beny bith.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:33 am

Well, depends who you ask - I'm sure there are some hardcore, Southern Baptist types who would consider me down right heretical. :p

I firmly believe in the Trinity, the Virgin Birth, the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and His Divinity, and His Second Coming, but I also believe in same sex civil unions, that the Book of Genesis wasn't intended to be a scientific discussion about Creation, I affirm the theory of evolution, that the Universe is approx. 13 billion years old, man-made Global Warming is a reality, and am firmly against teaching Creationism in school. I also believe that Faith is an intensely personal matter, and that we as Christians, or indeed any faith community, should not shove our beliefs down others' collective throats, and that all should treat each other with respect and dignity, regardless of what we believe, or disbelieve.
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Postby Chinamerica » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:58 am

Reggae Magmia wrote:
Chinamerica wrote:I was baptised Catholic but rarely go to church, when I do they're usually Church of England or Methodist, I do not believe in much of the Old Testament (e.g. Adam and Eve, Noah's Ark) but I believe in most of the New Testament and the story of Jesus, I don't believe in he'll but I believe in a heaven that everyone goes to and some kind of reincarnation. I believe in a soul, I'm probably pro-gay marriage but in most cases anti-abortion. Also, I see little difference between different types of Christians or even between Christians and Jews.

Are there any other theistic Christians here who have beliefs that aren't mainstream in your denomination?

(Also, no anti-Christian flaming please.)

A Christian IS a Theist. :meh:

I suppose the fact that I reject the idea of having denominations is unorthodox.... :unsure:

No, you could just be ETHNICALLY a Christian, e.g. going to church, but you could be agnostic or even atheist. I've met people before who are like this.
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Postby Norsklow » Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:02 am

Chinamerica wrote:
Reggae Magmia wrote:A Christian IS a Theist. :meh:

I suppose the fact that I reject the idea of having denominations is unorthodox.... :unsure:

No, you could just be ETHNICALLY a Christian, e.g. going to church, but you could be agnostic or even atheist. I've met people before who are like this.



Since when is Christian an Ethnicity?
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"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, with so little, for so long, we are now qualified to do anything, with nothing"

Don't call me Beny! Am I your Father or something? http://paanluelwel2011.wordpress.com/20 ... honorable/
And I way too young to be Beny bith.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:04 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Tekania wrote:
unOrthodox yes, but not unorthodox. You see, the Orthodox are orthodox, but not all orthodox are Orthodox.


Of course we Orthodox are orthodox; therefore all non-Orthdox are heterodox, and have some unorthodox beliefs. It is possible that some Orthodox hold unorthodox beliefs too, but not necessarily heterodox ones that are unOrthodox. But while all Orthodox are orthodox, even if they hold unorthodox but not heterodox beliefs, your statement that not all orthodox are Orthodox is only ever true within particular subsets of heterodoxy.

I hope that clears things up.

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Postby East Armandia » Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:05 am

I was born, raised, and confirmed as a Catholic, yet now I identify as a gnostic atheist. I'd guess that counts as rather unorthodox.

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:24 am

East Armandia wrote:I was born, raised, and confirmed as a Catholic, yet now I identify as a gnostic atheist. I'd guess that counts as rather unorthodox.

PLease explain to me how you know that there is not a god with 100% certainty.
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Postby Chinamerica » Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:55 pm

Norsklow wrote:
Chinamerica wrote:No, you could just be ETHNICALLY a Christian, e.g. going to church, but you could be agnostic or even atheist. I've met people before who are like this.



Since when is Christian an Ethnicity?

Not an ethnicity in that way...I mean identifying as a Christian but not actually agreeing with Christianity, if ya get what I'm saying. E.g., an atheist kid going to church because his whole family goes, being agnostic but praying and doing lent, etc.
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.56


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Postby Norsklow » Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:02 pm

Chinamerica wrote:
Norsklow wrote:

Since when is Christian an Ethnicity?

Not an ethnicity in that way...I mean identifying as a Christian but not actually agreeing with Christianity, if ya get what I'm saying. E.g., an atheist kid going to church because his whole family goes, being agnostic but praying and doing lent, etc.


It's called Occasional Comformism

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And thought the Church in danger was from such prevarication.

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Postby Cetacea » Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:42 pm

There is no God but God.
The Spirit is the Manifest Power of God

Angels, Spirits, Powers, Djinn are all real created and sentient (occasionally Sapient) beings (I'm a Panentheist Animist in this regard)

There are mutliple dimensions of reality and other beings may live in those dimensions leading to stories of fey etc.

The original Kinds were created but mutation and change has occured over the eras through normal procreation leading to new sub-species. Other kinds might have been created using earlier kinds as a template:)

They days of Genesis were not literal 24-hour periods, but might best be conceived as cosmic days

Also creation is incomplete and one of the purposes of people is to add to creation.

Jesus was 100% Man and nowhere in scripture doe Jesus ever claims to be the Son of God. What he does say is that we are all the Sons (and daughters) of God, as such he was correct in calling God the father.

The Christ-spirit came down upon Jesus (manifest as a dove) and anointed him as the Son of Man, the Messiah and Holy Prophet. So Jesus is the Christ and the Way, following his teachings is a great step towards reaching the Christ-spirit (the anointing by fire). (this is why I can claim to be a Christian)

Jesus as the Son of Man was the divine blood sacrifice to overcome sin and death.

The Grace of God is the manifestation of his Power within us (we can perform miracles by faith-filled prayer)

Only the Old Testament and the Gospels are Biblical, The Letters of Paul are not inspired by God

There were/are other prophets besides the famous ones including Mohamed, the Buddha etc
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Postby Pope Joan » Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:53 pm

I believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the eternal God.

This is actually orthodox dogma, but few people actually believe it. We tend toward "wise teacher" or "Messiah" or "adopted son" or some other heresy.

I also believe in taking the Sermon on the Mount literally, so I will not swear an oath in court (cause some hubbub when impaneled on a jury recently) or kill my enemies. The world seems to think that is horrible. My coreligionists have been dispossesed, burned out of house and home, beaten, jailed and killed for it.
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I believe that Vatican II was a Council of Errors. Tis Heterodox indeed.
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Postby Pope Joan » Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:57 pm

Norsklow wrote:I believe that Vatican II was a Council of Errors. Tis Heterodox indeed.


Yes, how dare they encourage bible study, or women religious? The very idea!
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Postby Norsklow » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:02 pm

Pope Joan wrote:
Norsklow wrote:I believe that Vatican II was a Council of Errors. Tis Heterodox indeed.


Yes, how dare they encourage bible study, or women religious? The very idea!


Even If: a minor matter compared to the liturgical reforms.
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"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, with so little, for so long, we are now qualified to do anything, with nothing"

Don't call me Beny! Am I your Father or something? http://paanluelwel2011.wordpress.com/20 ... honorable/
And I way too young to be Beny bith.
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