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Postby Chinamerica » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:31 pm

I was baptised Catholic but rarely go to church, when I do they're usually Church of England or Methodist, I do not believe in much of the Old Testament (e.g. Adam and Eve, Noah's Ark) but I believe in most of the New Testament and the story of Jesus, I don't believe in he'll but I believe in a heaven that everyone goes to and some kind of reincarnation. I believe in a soul, I'm probably pro-gay marriage but in most cases anti-abortion. Also, I see little difference between different types of Christians or even between Christians and Jews.

Are there any other theistic Christians here who have beliefs that aren't mainstream in your denomination?

(Also, no anti-Christian flaming please.)
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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:48 pm

Chinamerica wrote:theistic Christians


Contradiction in terms.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:49 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Chinamerica wrote:theistic Christians


Contradiction in terms.

Just... don't.
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Postby Catan » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:50 pm

Christ was a man and not a god.

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Postby Risottia » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:50 pm

I would guess that every Catholic and every Protestant etc has an unOrthodox belief.
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Postby Segland » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:51 pm

Chinamerica wrote:I was baptised Catholic but rarely go to church, when I do they're usually Church of England or Methodist, I do not believe in much of the Old Testament (e.g. Adam and Eve, Noah's Ark) but I believe in most of the New Testament and the story of Jesus, I don't believe in he'll but I believe in a heaven that everyone goes to and some kind of reincarnation. I believe in a soul, I'm probably pro-gay marriage but in most cases anti-abortion. Also, I see little difference between different types of Christians or even between Christians and Jews.

Are there any other theistic Christians here who have beliefs that aren't mainstream in your denomination?

(Also, no anti-Christian flaming please.)


If you think everyone goes to heaven, wouldn't that contradict the whole point of salvation or whatever else you Christians believe?
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Postby Benutanairan » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:52 pm

Chinamerica wrote:I was baptised Catholic but rarely go to church, when I do they're usually Church of England or Methodist, I do not believe in much of the Old Testament (e.g. Adam and Eve, Noah's Ark) but I believe in most of the New Testament and the story of Jesus, I don't believe in he'll but I believe in a heaven that everyone goes to and some kind of reincarnation. I believe in a soul, I'm probably pro-gay marriage but in most cases anti-abortion. Also, I see little difference between different types of Christians or even between Christians and Jews.

Are there any other theistic Christians here who have beliefs that aren't mainstream in your denomination?

(Also, no anti-Christian flaming please.)

That sound like a jehovah witness XD

However I take a much more shamanistic pacifistic view toward Christianity as a Loving God and Jesus with a perspective as nature and man being under God. I do believe animals go to heaven and believe in a refined form of socialism since Jesus was socialistic " well more towards the giving to the poor, helpless, and needy part"
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Postby Catan » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:53 pm

Segland wrote:
Chinamerica wrote:I was baptised Catholic but rarely go to church, when I do they're usually Church of England or Methodist, I do not believe in much of the Old Testament (e.g. Adam and Eve, Noah's Ark) but I believe in most of the New Testament and the story of Jesus, I don't believe in he'll but I believe in a heaven that everyone goes to and some kind of reincarnation. I believe in a soul, I'm probably pro-gay marriage but in most cases anti-abortion. Also, I see little difference between different types of Christians or even between Christians and Jews.

Are there any other theistic Christians here who have beliefs that aren't mainstream in your denomination?

(Also, no anti-Christian flaming please.)


If you think everyone goes to heaven, wouldn't that contradict the whole point of salvation or whatever else you Christians believe?

Not at all. Rather it gives us hope that there is redemption for all. Evil is not brought about because people are evil, it is because they are ignorent and misguided. Knowing that all the misguided people on this Earth will be set straight and live in Paradise is wonderful, and very preferable to the belief that the vast majority of humanity will burn in hell forever.

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Postby The Ben Boys » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:54 pm

Catan wrote:Christ was a man and not a god.


Then your not a Christian, so therefore this doesn't address you.

EDIT: I just did a little research into you... explain.

Legalize all drugs that come from plants, and also PCP. I have no problem with gay marriage, since it isn't marriage in God's eyes nor the church's: simply a civil union, which is all they really want anyways.
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Postby Catan » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:55 pm

The Ben Boys wrote:
Catan wrote:Christ was a man and not a god.


Then your not a Christian, so therefore this doesn't address you.

Legalize all drugs that come from plants, and also PCP. I have no problem with gay marriage, since it isn't marriage in God's eyes nor the church's: simply a civil union, which is all they really want anyways.

Actually I am. I follow his teachings.

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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:55 pm

The Ben Boys wrote:
Catan wrote:Christ was a man and not a god.


Then your not a Christian, so therefore this doesn't address you.

On the contrary, the belief that the Christ was not a god is the one thing that distinguishes actual Christians (who do not believe in the divinity of the Christ) and anti-Christian Paulinists, who repudiate Christianity in favor of the cult of Jesus and Jehovah.
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Postby Benutanairan » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:55 pm

The Ben Boys wrote:
Catan wrote:Christ was a man and not a god.


Then your not a Christian, so therefore this doesn't address you.

Legalize all drugs that come from plants, and also PCP. I have no problem with gay marriage, since it isn't marriage in God's eyes nor the church's: simply a civil union, which is all they really want anyways.



PCP?

Im more toward the plant based drugs myself.
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Postby The Ben Boys » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:57 pm

Catan wrote:
The Ben Boys wrote:
Then your not a Christian, so therefore this doesn't address you.

Legalize all drugs that come from plants, and also PCP. I have no problem with gay marriage, since it isn't marriage in God's eyes nor the church's: simply a civil union, which is all they really want anyways.

Actually I am. I follow his teachings.


Just answered my edit.

But there's a difference between being a Christian and following his teachings. Trusting in him for your salvation is the only thing you need to be a Christian, but as I see it it requires you to believe he's God.


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Postby Catan » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:00 pm

The Ben Boys wrote:
Catan wrote:Actually I am. I follow his teachings.


Just answered my edit.

But there's a difference between being a Christian and following his teachings. Trusting in him for your salvation is the only thing you need to be a Christian, but as I see it it requires you to believe he's God.

Trusting in his teaching to bring you closer to God. (He may have become one with God upon his death, but during his time on Earth he was 100% human.) My denomination holds that the concepts of the Virgin Birth and the worship of him as a separate diety were made up later

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Postby Silician » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:03 pm

I'm a Catholic, but I'm for gay rights, I'm pro-choice, and I'm for the general use of birth control. I also believe in evolution, just not the evolution of man.

EDIT: I'm also for a secular government and secular schools.
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Postby Segland » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:05 pm

Catan wrote:
The Ben Boys wrote:
Just answered my edit.

But there's a difference between being a Christian and following his teachings. Trusting in him for your salvation is the only thing you need to be a Christian, but as I see it it requires you to believe he's God.

Trusting in his teaching to bring you closer to God. (He may have become one with God upon his death, but during his time on Earth he was 100% human.) My denomination holds that the concepts of the Virgin Birth and the worship of him as a separate diety were made up later


Doesn't the Bible advocate the Trinity? That would mean that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit have coexisted forever.

(please note, these are not my beliefs. I am an agnostic atheist)
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Postby The Ben Boys » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:06 pm

Segland wrote:
Catan wrote:Trusting in his teaching to bring you closer to God. (He may have become one with God upon his death, but during his time on Earth he was 100% human.) My denomination holds that the concepts of the Virgin Birth and the worship of him as a separate diety were made up later


Doesn't the Bible advocate the Trinity? That would mean that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit have coexisted forever.

(please note, these are not my beliefs. I am an agnostic atheist)


Yes, which makes me even more curious about this denomination.


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Postby Catan » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:06 pm

Silician wrote:I'm a Catholic, but I'm for gay rights, I'm pro-choice, and I'm for the general use of birth control. I also believe in evolution, just not the evolution of man.

Curious. How do you scientifically justify the belief that men did not evolve, when you seem to accept the evidence for animal evolution?

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Postby The Cookish States » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:10 pm

I'm Christian, but public prayer almost disgusts me. I feel like prayer should be a silent and private act between you and God, and not guided in any way by anyone.

When I pray, no one is any the wiser. The whole 'Tebowing' and crap is very vain. If you have to tell the world you're praying, yerdoinitrong.
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Postby Catan » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:14 pm

Segland wrote:
Catan wrote:Trusting in his teaching to bring you closer to God. (He may have become one with God upon his death, but during his time on Earth he was 100% human.) My denomination holds that the concepts of the Virgin Birth and the worship of him as a separate diety were made up later


Doesn't the Bible advocate the Trinity? That would mean that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit have coexisted forever.

(please note, these are not my beliefs. I am an agnostic atheist)

The Bible does not advocate the trinity. Translation done by the main stream churches however, who endorsed the trinity, were changed to endorse that view. Certain passages are open to misinterpretation. Besides, the whole belief in the Trinity does not make since. Logically, something cannot be three things yet one thing. Also, it is mathematically impossible for Jesus to have been "100% man and
100% god".

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Postby Catan » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:14 pm

The Ben Boys wrote:
Segland wrote:
Doesn't the Bible advocate the Trinity? That would mean that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit have coexisted forever.

(please note, these are not my beliefs. I am an agnostic atheist)


Yes, which makes me even more curious about this denomination.

BTW, I'm a Unitarian.

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Postby Silician » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:21 pm

Catan wrote:
Silician wrote:I'm a Catholic, but I'm for gay rights, I'm pro-choice, and I'm for the general use of birth control. I also believe in evolution, just not the evolution of man.

Curious. How do you scientifically justify the belief that men did not evolve, when you seem to accept the evidence for animal evolution?

That's a good question, I'm not exactly sure myself :lol:. But my belief is that I shouldn't be ignorant and I should accept the fact that evolution is scientifically correct. I do believe that humans were created separately by God, though. Obviously humans have "evolved" in the sense that they're intellectually better than early humans (Cro-Magnon, Neanderthals, etc.) and I think that's due to natural selection. But the idea that we've evolved from chimpanzees is not evident. If we indeed evolved from gorillas or chimpanzees, wouldn't the gorillas or chimpanzees not exist in today's society?
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Postby Divair » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:22 pm

Silician wrote:
Catan wrote:Curious. How do you scientifically justify the belief that men did not evolve, when you seem to accept the evidence for animal evolution?

That's a good question, I'm not exactly sure myself :lol:. But my belief is that I shouldn't be ignorant and I should accept the fact that evolution is scientifically correct. I do believe that humans were created separately by God, though. Obviously humans have "evolved" in the sense that they're intellectually better than early humans (Cro-Magnon, Neanderthals, etc.) and I think that's due to natural selection. But the idea that we've evolved from chimpanzees is not evident. If we indeed evolved from gorillas or chimpanzees, wouldn't the gorillas or chimpanzees not exist in today's society?

If Americans were Europeans, why do Europeans exist?
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