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So,the Republican party has become nothing more than racial and religious, anti-abortion zealots, homophobes, gun nuts, jingoists and war hungry bigots.Abraham was the first Republican president,and his republicans would be disappointed with modern republicans.They have went from the party that ended slavery to the party that supports segregation.They have went from the party of liberty to the new far-right wing party of the US.They seem to have abandoned him and decided to join the party of Ronald Reagen.What ever happened to Abraham's Republican Party? Are there any Republicans who are still the party of Abraham Lincoln?

They became the Democrats

Abraham was war hungry, too.

Tenden wrote:What ever happened to Abraham's Republican Party?

A deadly cocktail of time and events?

Well I mean... the Republican Party was originally an one-issue party that was against slavery formed several years before the civil war... soo...

Tenden wrote:So,the Republican party has become nothing more than racial and religious, anti-abortion zealots, homophobes, gun nuts, jingoists and war hungry bigots.

Nice OP.

Fact of the matter is that the Republicans of the 1850s-1870s were also racist, religious (actually, comparatively a lot more zealous than southernors), war-hungry jingoists. The only thing that has changed is that modern Republicans are generally implicitly, not explicitly, racist.

Tenden wrote:So,the Republican party has become nothing more than racial and religious, anti-abortion zealots, homophobes, gun nuts, jingoists and war hungry bigots.Abraham was the first Republican president,and his republicans would be disappointed with modern republicans.They have went from the party that ended slavery to the party that supports segregation.They have went from the party of liberty to the new far-right wing party of the US.They seem to have abandoned him and decided to join the party of Ronald Reagen.What ever happened to Abraham's Republican Party? Are there any Republicans who are still the party of Abraham Lincoln?

I don't think you know the party on Lincoln, so well.

Lincoln Republicans were still very business focused, their goal of ended slavery was more driven by creating bigger markets, and gaining bigger pools of workers than some noble quest.

greed and death wrote:Lincoln Republicans were still very business focused, their goal of ended slavery was more driven by creating bigger markets, and gaining bigger pools of workers than some noble quest.

1) Lincoln was a corporatist, yeah. He was an eminent domain lawyer for railroads before becoming president, iirc?

2) Republicans weren't really abolitionist until the beginnings of the Civil War, and their motivations weren't really economic. Republicans were mostly "Yankees" (which doesn't really mean northerner - at least, it didn't used to. Yankees refer to Great Awakening evangelicals) - Lincoln and the Yanks he hung around typically adhered to concepts like collective salvation (that an individual's religious salvation/ticket to heaven is contingent upon spreading the Good News to others... slavery wasn't immoral in this mindset because it was violent - Yanks hated slavery because it kept the slaves from accepting Jeebus, and that kept the Yanks from gettin' all the jeebus they wanted). Yankees were basically just Northeastern rednecks (New England, New York, Great Lakes+Midwest, and all rural) who hated Catholics, Jews, liquor, and everything else fun in life.

Republicans mostly just opposed the expansion of slavery, though. Mostly because abolitionism was a pretty much untenable position against the Democratic onslaught prior to the Civil War (during the war, Republican monopoly on Congress let them do basically whatever they wanted... that is, push through anti-slavery legislation). The Abolition Proclamation, which only abolished slavery in seceding states, mind you, was mostly just a political move to seize the moral high ground and keep the likes of France and the UK from backing the CSA.

Augarundus wrote:

Tenden wrote:So,the Republican party has become nothing more than racial and religious, anti-abortion zealots, homophobes, gun nuts, jingoists and war hungry bigots.

Nice OP.

Fact of the matter is that the Republicans of the 1850s-1870s were also racist, religious (actually, comparatively a lot more zealous than southernors), war-hungry jingoists. The only thing that has changed is that modern Republicans are generally implicitly, not explicitly, racist.

Mercantilist, too. Also intended to use public lands as a form of welfare (for whites.)

Tenden wrote:So,the Republican party has become nothing more than racial and religious, anti-abortion zealots, homophobes, gun nuts, jingoists and war hungry bigots.Abraham was the first Republican president,and his republicans would be disappointed with modern republicans.They have went from the party that ended slavery to the party that supports segregation.They have went from the party of liberty to the new far-right wing party of the US.They seem to have abandoned him and decided to join the party of Ronald Reagen.What ever happened to Abraham's Republican Party? Are there any Republicans who are still the party of Abraham Lincoln?

Two things,
The first Republican was the Jefferson one...
And Republicans as far-right?

Gaveo wrote:

Tenden wrote:So,the Republican party has become nothing more than racial and religious, anti-abortion zealots, homophobes, gun nuts, jingoists and war hungry bigots.Abraham was the first Republican president,and his republicans would be disappointed with modern republicans.They have went from the party that ended slavery to the party that supports segregation.They have went from the party of liberty to the new far-right wing party of the US.They seem to have abandoned him and decided to join the party of Ronald Reagen.What ever happened to Abraham's Republican Party? Are there any Republicans who are still the party of Abraham Lincoln?

Two things,
The first Republican was the Jefferson one...
And Republicans as far-right?

What's so funny about the Republicans being far-right? They are.

Yeah, what happened to suspending habeas corpus and detaining people indefinitely?!

... Oh.

Condunum wrote:

Gaveo wrote:
Two things,
The first Republican was the Jefferson one...
And Republicans as far-right?

What's so funny about the Republicans being far-right? They are.

Saying that the Republicans is like saying Ron Paul wants to increase the budget of the military or Rachel Maddow voting for them (Republicans). Its just not true...

Gaveo wrote:

Condunum wrote:
What's so funny about the Republicans being far-right? They are.

Saying that the Republicans is like saying Ron Paul wants to increase the budget of the military or Rachel Maddow voting for them (Republicans). Its just not true...

Viewed from an objectivist stand point, the current GOP is one of the farthest right-wing parties in the entire free world.

They became more moderate.

American politics (as well as world politics) are very very far to the left of where they were back in the 19th century. A modern hardcore Republican would likely be considered fairly moderate circa 1860 and moderate republican would be considered a radical leftist. A modern democrat would likely be treated some form of French style revolutionary.

Its not discussed much because being extremely socially conservative back then was a given and almost mandatory to be a respected member of society.

Times change, I suppose.

Tenden wrote:So,the Republican party has become nothing more than racial and religious, anti-abortion zealots, homophobes, gun nuts, jingoists and war hungry bigots.Abraham was the first Republican president,and his republicans would be disappointed with modern republicans.They have went from the party that ended slavery to the party that supports segregation.They have went from the party of liberty to the new far-right wing party of the US.They seem to have abandoned him and decided to join the party of Ronald Reagen.What ever happened to Abraham's Republican Party? Are there any Republicans who are still the party of Abraham Lincoln?

Abraham's Republican Party was not what you think it was.

In other words, Lincoln wouldn't have been that displeased.

I believe it was called the Southern Strategy.

Gaveo wrote:

Condunum wrote:
What's so funny about the Republicans being far-right? They are.

Saying that the Republicans is like saying Ron Paul wants to increase the budget of the military or Rachel Maddow voting for them (Republicans). Its just not true...

Today's Republican party is barely removed from Fascism as an ideology. I can't think of any other ideology more "right" than Fascism, except for Nazism, which is really only a subset of Fascism.

Tenden wrote:So,the Republican party has become nothing more than racial and religious, anti-abortion zealots,

Racial Zealots?

homophobes, gun nuts, jingoists and war hungry bigots.

And the democratic party are a bunch of white guilt, anti-2nd amendment, unamerican, and spineless morons.
It cuts both ways. Don't make generalizations.

Abraham was the first Republican president,and his republicans would be disappointed with modern republicans.

How so?

They have went from the party that ended slavery to the party that supports segregation.

Where? Where is the Republican Platform ever made an issue about wanting segregation between the races?

They have went from the party of liberty to the new far-right wing party of the US.

The fact that you don't know what a far-right party actually is is quite frankly hilarious. Maybe if you're from Europe, the Republicans are an extreme right party, but most of their policies are pretty centrist.

They seem to have abandoned him and decided to join the party of Ronald Reagen.What ever happened to Abraham's Republican Party? Are there any Republicans who are still the party of Abraham Lincoln?

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Yeah, most still do. However, Reagan is a definite hero of the Republican Party and one of the most popular and well known and well loved President's.

You don't seem to understand Abraham Lincoln. He was a warmongering, debt-spending, bill-of-rights-crushing tyrant. The only thing people remember about him is he talked against slavery.

Gaveo wrote:

Condunum wrote:
What's so funny about the Republicans being far-right? They are.

Saying that the Republicans is like saying Ron Paul wants to increase the budget of the military or Rachel Maddow voting for them (Republicans). Its just not true...

You obviously don't know what party you're talking about. The GOP of today is one of the most far-right parties in the free world.

Lord Tothe wrote:You don't seem to understand Abraham Lincoln. He was a warmongering, debt-spending, bill-of-rights-crushing tyrant. The only thing people remember about him is he talked against slavery.

Uh-oh. It's a neo-confederate.

Are you going to tell us about the War of Northern Aggression now?

Tenden wrote:...They seem to have abandoned him and decided to join the party of Ronald Reagean.

And no, actually the genetic mutation started with the rise of Nixon.

What ever happened to Abraham's Republican Party?

Too many KKK members and religious zealots voting Republican now for Abe's tastes. People like Lincoln and Eisenhower would have fled like crazy from the current GOP.

Raeyh wrote:Abraham was war hungry, too.

How many foreign countries did the Lincoln administration invade, actually?