What happened to Abraham's Republican Party?

[Jinos]

Today's Republican party is barely removed from Fascism as an ideology. I can't think of any other ideology more "right" than Fascism, except for Nazism, which is really only a subset of Fascism.

Dude, don't talk about something you obviously don't know a thing about. The GOP is nowhere near Fascism ideologically.

Obsessed with defense/nationalism, "power projection" being top dog. Fully embracing the State Capitalism corporate/government collusion model. Belief in wedding church and state. Focus on "traditional family values." Opposed to public education. Promote youth organizations with conservative slant. Latched onto public scapegoat (gays/liberals). Full use of propaganda media (fox and other conservative radio shows). Use of violent political language with allusions toward a justification for violence action. Belief in the "Social Darwinist" theories. Condemnation of "immoral behavior" such as pornography, prostitution, use of drugs, use of birth control, abortion sex in general, etc. Belief in authoritarian power models, people don't "question" those in charge. Curtailment of civil liberties because of the "need" for security, use of torture. Employment of unilaterally empowered police. Voter suppression. Obsession with the death penalty and crime. Disdain for arts and higher education, the "liberal elite." Depowering and suppressing unions and the ability of workers to organize.

If the GOP is not already Fascist, then it is dangerously close to Fascism. As all the above are political positions (many are major tenants) that Fascism and the current GOP share.

[SaintB]

Nothing happened to Abe Lincoln's Party, in fact most of the people in the party still think its 1858... that is the problem imo.

[Tarvelia]

Balanced budgets and low taxes is far-right-wing?

Low taxes is profoundly idiotic, given that America lived through a 91% top tax rate in the 1950s and nobody whined. Liberalism's belief in investing money in public services and institutions meant to reduce inequality is the best thing to ever happen to the USA.

Racist? Here is a list of some of the minorities of our party, most of whom are racist tea party types.
Susana Martinez
Allen West
Artur Davis
Raul Labrador
Mia Love
Ted Cruz (I voted for him in the TX primaries over an "old white guy")
Marco Rubio
Nikki Haley
Bobby Jindal
Luis Fortuno
Gary Franks
J. C. Watts
Tim Scott
Melvin Evans
Bill Florez
Herman Cain
Condeleezza Rice
Alveda King, neice of MLK Jr.

Token minorities prove nothing.

And seriously, Allen West? The guy is a fuckhead with shit between his ears where his brain should be. A serious party would kick out idiots like him.

So we are all on a "They are racists because I say they are" basis? Token Minorities?
I am so freaking glad I have wise people like you to tell me how freaking racist I am.

What about white liberals who call black people who don't vote democrat "uncle toms", hmm? The democrats are the ones telling minorities how they should think.

Or how the white liberals say that Clarence Thomas should be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3ctO7fdrcc

at an anti-Koch protest.

And seriously, Allen West? The guy is a fuckhead with shit between his ears where his brain should be. A serious party would kick out idiots like him.

And assuming there was no double-standard, you would be called a vile racist by Chris "Tingles" Matthews 1000 time over. But their is one, and when someone merely critisized Obama, they are racist by default.

Oh, and their was this recently deceased DEMOCRAT senator name Robert Byrd, a former KKK member and has half the public establishments in West Virginia named after him.

[Jinos]

So we are all on a "They are racists because I say they are" basis? Token Minorities?
I am so freaking glad I have wise people like you to tell me how freaking racist I am.

He's saying you're racist because you think having a dozen or so minorities in your party is proof that you're "not racist."

It's the "SEE? We have minorities! That proves we're not racist!" mentality that isn't very convincing.

What about white liberals who call black people who don't vote democrat "uncle toms", hmm? The democrats are the ones telling minorities how they should think.

I don't think I've ever heard anything to that effect ever. And no, saying that black people are idiots for voting GOP doesn't qualify, in the same sense that one would probably say a communist would be an idiot to vote for joe mccarthy

Or how the white liberals say that Clarence Thomas should be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3ctO7fdrcc

at an anti-Koch protest.

I don't think a video edited by some guy who was clearly looking for a specific kind of reaction counts, since we don't even know how many other totally normal reactions he could've gotten. Especially when only one person actually used any kind of lynching term (although, the term 'string him up' isn't exactly exclusive to lynching). I don't think the (few) other death threats actually count as racism given the open hostility to Scalia and other members of Fox News.

And assuming there was no double-standard, you would be called a vile racist by Christ Matthews 1000 time over. But their is one, and when someone merely critisized Obama, they are racist by default.

Actually, its all the noose symbolism, allusions to being an African "tribesman," statements that he is not an American, fearmongering about his 'slavery of whites' agenda, or the "he's a lazy black guy" talk that generally earns the "Das Wracist" accusation.

Oh, and their was this recently deceased DEMOCRAT senator name Robert Byrd, a former KKK member and has half the public establishments in West Virginia named after him.

Because everything we ever did in our youth stays with us until we're in our 80s amirite? You can google anything about Byrd and how he thought the KKK was moronic after his youth.

[Tarvelia]

So we are all on a "They are racists because I say they are" basis? Token Minorities?
I am so freaking glad I have wise people like you to tell me how freaking racist I am.

He's saying you're racist because you think having a dozen or so minorities in your party is proof that you're "not racist."

It's the "SEE? We have minorities! That proves we're not racist!" mentality that isn't very convincing.

What about white liberals who call black people who don't vote democrat "uncle toms", hmm? The democrats are the ones telling minorities how they should think.

I don't think I've ever heard anything to that effect ever. And no, saying that black people are idiots for voting GOP doesn't qualify, in the same sense that one would probably say a communist would be an idiot to vote for joe mccarthy

Or how the white liberals say that Clarence Thomas should be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3ctO7fdrcc

at an anti-Koch protest.

I don't think a video edited by some guy who was clearly looking for a specific kind of reaction counts, since we don't even know how many other totally normal reactions he could've gotten. Especially when only one person actually used any kind of lynching term (although, the term 'string him up' isn't exactly exclusive to lynching). I don't think the (few) other death threats actually count as racism given the open hostility to Scalia and other members of Fox News.

And assuming there was no double-standard, you would be called a vile racist by Christ Matthews 1000 time over. But their is one, and when someone merely critisized Obama, they are racist by default.

Actually, its all the noose symbolism, allusions to being an African "tribesman," statements that he is not an American, fearmongering about his 'slavery of whites' agenda, or the "he's a lazy black guy" talk that generally earns the "Das Wracist" accusation.

Oh, and their was this recently deceased DEMOCRAT senator name Robert Byrd, a former KKK member and has half the public establishments in West Virginia named after him.

Because everything we ever did in our youth stays with us until we're in our 80s amirite? You can google anything about Byrd and how he thought the KKK was moronic after his youth.

I hope your complete dismissals of every single point I made makes you feels smart.

So we are all on a "They are racists because I say they are" basis? Token Minorities?
I am so freaking glad I have wise people like you to tell me how freaking racist I am.

He's saying you're racist because you think having a dozen or so minorities in your party is proof that you're "not racist."

It's the "SEE? We have minorities! That proves we're not racist!" mentality that isn't very convincing.

I'm of mixed race, genius. Guess I'm a token minority that doesn't count, or I'm too stupid to know that the Democratic Party will take care of me, the silly victim I am.
And you do not know what racism is.

Racism. Noun: a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

[Zaras]

So we are all on a "They are racists because I say they are" basis? Token Minorities?
I am so freaking glad I have wise people like you to tell me how freaking racist I am.

If all you have to bring up to prove your party isn't racist is the amount of minorities you have, your party's racist.

James Meredith worked for Jesse Helms. Doesn't change the fact that Helms was a racist cunt and scumbag.

What about white liberals who call black people who don't vote democrat "uncle toms", hmm?

Source it or it didn't happen.

And I mean an actual credible source, not blatantly biased bullshit.

The democrats are the ones telling minorities how they should think.

As opposed to the Republicans who are trying to deny civil rights to LGBT people because they're LGBT, or wanting to introduce creationist bullshit into schools, or Rick Santorum nearly calling Obama the N-word. Yeah, suuuuuuure, the Republicans don't tell you how to think.

Or how the white liberals say that Clarence Thomas should be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3ctO7fdrcc

at an anti-Koch protest.

Pick an example that isn't blatantly edited manipulatively, dude.

And assuming there was no double-standard, you would be called a vile racist by Chris "Tingles" Matthews 1000 time over. But their is one, and when someone merely critisized Obama, they are racist by default.

It's funny how you imply I'm a racist for pointing out the blindingly obvious fact that Allen West is a fuckhead who had his head smashed into a few too many hard surfaces as a kid.

Oh, and their was this recently deceased DEMOCRAT senator name Robert Byrd, a former KKK member and has half the public establishments in West Virginia named after him.

I hate Robert Byrd, dude. Don't try to mind-read, because mind-reading never works.

I hope your complete dismissals of every single point I made makes you feels smart.

You haven't made a single point that isn't worthy of anything less than complete dismissal. Nice attitude, huffing at Jinos for rightfully demolishing your bullshit. "Smart" isn't an insult, just FYI.

I'm of mixed race, genius.

I don't care.

Guess I'm a token minority that doesn't count, or I'm too stupid to know that the Democratic Party will take care of me, the silly victim I am.

I don't know about victim, but supporting Romney for president definitely earns you the "silly".

And you do not know what racism is.

And you do, Mr. People Who Point Out That Allen West Is A Fucking Moron Are Racist?

Racism. Noun: a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

Whereas on Wikipedia it's:

Racism is usually defined as views, practices and actions reflecting the belief that humanity is divided into distinct biological groups called races and that members of a certain race share certain attributes which make that group as a whole less desirable, more desirable, inferior or superior.

And on other sites it's

Racism = prejudice + power

It's fair to wager that we have a better idea of what racism is than you, considering your bizarre attempts to whitewash the GOP's backwards attitudes towards race and invoking a dictionary definition to try and prove you know something.

[Augarundus]

No, not "as you said". Your flaw lies in the implication.

Or, to illustrate the problem more precisely, I "only" became a male less than a year before I was born.

I don't understand what you're getting at. The Republican Party was founded in 1854 by opponents of slavery's extension to western territories. They were not abolitionists at that point. Abolitionism only became characteristic of Republican rhetoric at the early stages of the Civil War (and only as policy in the mid-late era of the war).

So no, I'm not "implying" anything factually inaccurate. The Republican Party did exist prior to the Civil War, and they weren't abolitionist.

[Norsklow]

If you do not understand Abolition as a Option of Religious Zealotry, you have not managed to think like an Abolitionist. And so is the 'War and Hell' solution to the Problem of Secession.

And I'd do it again!

Of you are looking for the big Fail Moment for the GOP, I'd point to the Volstead Act.

[The Realm of God]

Same thing that happened to Hamilton's Federalists (who I admire), they became unpopular and then unimportant.

[North California]

Not what happened to Republicans, but what the fuck happened to America in the last 50 years?

We used to be loved by everybody, now everyone hates us.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Not what happened to Republicans, but what the fuck happened to America in the last 50 years?

We used to be loved by everybody, now everyone hates us.

You fucked up a lot and the idealism died.

[Dominion of Nova Scotia]

The War on Drugs disproportionately harms People of Color.

[North California]

The War on Drugs disproportionately harms People of Color.

Agreed. It also harms other people too.

[Maurepas]

They became the Democrats

/thread.

Starting with FDR, the Democrats almost universally disavowed the views of the old "Southern Democrats", and beginning with Harding, the Republicans prettymuch universally disavowed Lincoln's Socialist leanings.

It just took a little longer for the South to figure those things out, though not quite as long to get pissed off about it.

[North California]

Not what happened to Republicans, but what the fuck happened to America in the last 50 years?

We used to be loved by everybody, now everyone hates us.

You fucked up a lot and the idealism died.

I wanna bring it back. Time to build a time machine, and take that bullet for Kennedy. You'll thank me later.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

You fucked up a lot and the idealism died.

I wanna bring it back. Time to build a time machine, and take that bullet for Kennedy. You'll thank me later.

If you really want to do something, stop 9/11 and Bush's election. That's where I think the idealism died.

[Frisivisia]

I wanna bring it back. Time to build a time machine, and take that bullet for Kennedy. You'll thank me later.

If you really want to do something, stop 9/11 and Bush's election. That's where I think the idealism died.

Oh, and write Harry Potter while you're at it. Make billions.

[Frisivisia]

Not what happened to Republicans, but what the fuck happened to America in the last 50 years?

We used to be loved by everybody, now everyone hates us.

Only the people we've invaded and their neighbors. So, we've still got Europe.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Not what happened to Republicans, but what the fuck happened to America in the last 50 years?

We used to be loved by everybody, now everyone hates us.

Only the people we've invaded and their neighbors. So, we've still got Europe.

No, even the Europeans are very cynical about you.

[Long Island Nation]

They're fighting taxes and restrictions instead of slavery and fighting terrorists instead of rebels.

Also, Lincoln was a Christian.

[Dominion of Nova Scotia]

The War on Drugs disproportionately harms People of Color.

Agreed. It also harms other people too.

Yes, but the US government in general (but especially Republicans) have failed to do anything to change these policies, even though the knowledge has been publicly available for decades. It's racist policy; racist through inaction, yet still racism.

[Frisivisia]

They're fighting taxes and restrictions instead of slavery and fighting terrorists instead of rebels.

Also, Lincoln was a Christian.

Invading countries for little to no reasoning =/= Civil War

Also, the current Republican Party does its best to disenfranchise those that they once freed.

[North California]

I wanna bring it back. Time to build a time machine, and take that bullet for Kennedy. You'll thank me later.

If you really want to do something, stop 9/11 and Bush's election. That's where I think the idealism died.

But Gore can win either, he's bad to.

If Ralph Nader won it, we'd be okay. And 9/11 didn't make people hate America, Bush's reaction to it did.

[North California]

Agreed. It also harms other people too.

Yes, but the US government in general (but especially Republicans) have failed to do anything to change these policies, even though the knowledge has been publicly available for decades. It's racist policy; racist through inaction, yet still racism.

Democrats support the War on Drugs as well, you know.

[Frisivisia]

Only the people we've invaded and their neighbors. So, we've still got Europe.

No, even the Europeans are very cynical about you.

But their leaders and armies are at our control. If the US really really really wanted to, we could stage a full-on coalition of the willing, UN, US invasion of Sealand.