What happened to Abraham's Republican Party?

[Divair]

Maybe all the left wing Americans ran away to Canada?

Maybe America never really had a left-wing in the first place? Unlike civilized countries, America repressed the living fuck out of its labour movements, and whatever gains the Progressives may have brought were flushed down the toilet by America's silly two-party system.

It was left-wing briefly during FDR's terms, but it didn't last long.

[AETEN II]

There are no Republicans or Democrats, there have always and only ever been the two major groups, the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists.

What we're experiencing now is the GOP has just been carjacked and now is in danger of swerving off the world and leaving a niche open.

[Zaras]

Maybe America never really had a left-wing in the first place? Unlike civilized countries, America repressed the living fuck out of its labour movements, and whatever gains the Progressives may have brought were flushed down the toilet by America's silly two-party system.

It was left-wing briefly during FDR's terms, but it didn't last long.

If only Roosevelt could've stayed alive, maybe he'd have forced the USA's political spectrum to a more healthy position.

And maybe we'd have the Second Bill of Rights and the Four Freedoms.

Basically, FDR was the best President the USA ever had. (Post-FDR was Johnson or, bizarrely enough given his reputation, Nixon.)

[Divair]

It was left-wing briefly during FDR's terms, but it didn't last long.

If only Roosevelt could've stayed alive, maybe he'd have forced the USA's political spectrum to a more healthy position.

And maybe we'd have the Second Bill of Rights and the Four Freedoms.

Basically, FDR was the best President the USA ever had. (Post-FDR was Johnson or, bizarrely enough given his reputation, Nixon.)

Aye. Easily one of my favourite politicians and the best president the USA has had.

[Raeyh]

Abraham was war hungry, too.

How many foreign countries did the Lincoln administration invade, actually?

Well, the Confederacy technically was a foreign country after defecting, much like the colonies became a foreign country from England after the Declaration of Independence.

[AETEN II]

It was left-wing briefly during FDR's terms, but it didn't last long.

If only Roosevelt could've stayed alive, maybe he'd have forced the USA's political spectrum to a more healthy position.

And maybe we'd have the Second Bill of Rights and the Four Freedoms.

Basically, FDR was the best President the USA ever had. (Post-FDR was Johnson or, bizarrely enough given his reputation, Nixon.)

Lincoln
FDR
LBJ
T. Roosevelt
Jefferson


Is typically how I list the greatest presidents (LBJ for the Civil Rights act, which he crusaded for, really, JFK was a shit President who simply got us out of the shitstorms he himself created). Of course, Andrew Jackson should always be on the bottom for the whole genocide thing.

[Divair]

If only Roosevelt could've stayed alive, maybe he'd have forced the USA's political spectrum to a more healthy position.

And maybe we'd have the Second Bill of Rights and the Four Freedoms.

Basically, FDR was the best President the USA ever had. (Post-FDR was Johnson or, bizarrely enough given his reputation, Nixon.)

Lincoln
FDR
LBJ
T. Roosevelt
Jefferson


Is typically how I list the greatest presidents (LBJ for the Civil Rights act, which he crusaded for, really, JFK was a shit President who simply got us out of the shitstorms he himself created). Of course, Andrew Jackson should always be on the bottom for the whole genocide thing.

I list JFK really highly for one reason only:
His support for NASA.

[AETEN II]

Lincoln
FDR
LBJ
T. Roosevelt
Jefferson


Is typically how I list the greatest presidents (LBJ for the Civil Rights act, which he crusaded for, really, JFK was a shit President who simply got us out of the shitstorms he himself created). Of course, Andrew Jackson should always be on the bottom for the whole genocide thing.

I list JFK really highly for one reason only:
His support for NASA.

Not really. It was more of a political stunt than flow blown support from the Space Race books I own. And besides, he really fucked up with the Cold War and nearly started a Nuclear War by fucking up with the Bay of Pigs. That was a colossal fuckup.

[Tahar Joblis]

Balanced budgets and low taxes is far-right-wing?


Racist? Here is a list of some of the minorities of our party, most of whom are racist tea party types.

Not all Republicans are racists. However, Republicans can count on staunch electoral support from white racists at the polls.

Understand the distinction? The coalition that is the Republican party includes a number of overt racists, and those who build their political careers catering to racists.

[Divair]

I list JFK really highly for one reason only:
His support for NASA.

Not really. It was more of a political stunt than flow blown support from the Space Race books I own. And besides, he really fucked up with the Cold War and nearly started a Nuclear War by fucking up with the Bay of Pigs. That was a colossal fuckup.

I know it was a political stunt (and in the long term, possibly a military one) and that he really fucked up with the Bay of Pigs, but the result of his support of NASA remains the same.

[AETEN II]

Not really. It was more of a political stunt than flow blown support from the Space Race books I own. And besides, he really fucked up with the Cold War and nearly started a Nuclear War by fucking up with the Bay of Pigs. That was a colossal fuckup.

I know it was a political stunt (and in the long term, possibly a military one) and that he really fucked up with the Bay of Pigs, but the result of his support of NASA remains the same.

And he nearly destroyed America. NASA doesn't exactly cancel out a nearly disastrous engagement that nearly caused nuclear war. LBJ was far better. Not to mention that the Civil Rights act is greater than NASA.

[Divair]

And he nearly destroyed America. NASA doesn't exactly cancel out a nearly disastrous engagement that nearly caused nuclear war.

Cancels it out? No.
Will benefit humanity as long as we exist? Yes.

LBJ was far better. Not to mention that the Civil Rights act is greater than NASA.

While I agree that the Civil Rights Act was great, I'd have to put them at equal value.

[Zaras]

LBJ was far better. Not to mention that the Civil Rights act is greater than NASA.

While I agree that the Civil Rights Act was great, I'd have to put them at equal value.

Johnson actually got all the shit done that JFK couldn't, was the only President to try to end national poverty and created the Great Society. His only failure was Vietnam.

Nixon, for all his crookedness, created the EPA and OSHA, ended the US government's more horrible policies towards Native Americans, for the first time raised social services spending above military spending, and expanded Johnson's programs.

[The Emerald Dawn]

While I agree that the Civil Rights Act was great, I'd have to put them at equal value.

Johnson actually got all the shit done that JFK couldn't, was the only President to try to end national poverty and created the Great Society. His only failure was Vietnam.

Nixon, for all his crookedness, created the EPA and OSHA, ended the US government's more horrible policies towards Native Americans, for the first time raised social services spending above military spending, and expanded Johnson's programs.

Let's be fair, Vietnam was a glorious clusterfuck.

Teach us to help France.

[West Sylvania]

Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are anything similar to the sorts of political philosophies they originated as. They have both evolved with the times and the trends.

[AETEN II]

And he nearly destroyed America. NASA doesn't exactly cancel out a nearly disastrous engagement that nearly caused nuclear war.

Cancels it out? No.
Will benefit humanity as long as we exist? Yes.

LBJ was far better. Not to mention that the Civil Rights act is greater than NASA.

While I agree that the Civil Rights Act was great, I'd have to put them at equal value.

Better to live in a less scientifically advanced world where everyone is lawfully equal than a racist state where minorities are second-class citizens but the technology is highly advanced.

[Zaras]

Johnson actually got all the shit done that JFK couldn't, was the only President to try to end national poverty and created the Great Society. His only failure was Vietnam.

Nixon, for all his crookedness, created the EPA and OSHA, ended the US government's more horrible policies towards Native Americans, for the first time raised social services spending above military spending, and expanded Johnson's programs.

Let's be fair, Vietnam was a glorious clusterfuck.

Teach us to help France.

And extra fairness, Kennedy started it. Sort of.

[Alien Space Bats]

Republicans weren't really abolitionist until the beginnings of the Civil War...

The Republican Party didn't exist until the eve of the War of the Rebellion; it was founded in 1854.

[Jinos]

Uh-oh. It's a neo-confederate.

Are you going to tell us about the War of Northern Aggression now?

Lolno. Nice strawman, BTW. Scarecrows are nice seasonal decor.

Just saying his reputation as the Great Protector of Freedom is exaggerated. Speaking out against slavery while building a conscripted army, instituting an income tax, and jailing dissenters is hypocritical. Lysander Spooner is the abolitionist who had it right.

Well, it's not my fault you're talking like one of them.

There's nothing "totalitarian" about taxes. No, I don't believe in any of that "taxes are theft" bullshit. And saying his army was conscripted is downright laughable, news flash, all armies were conscripted at that time, of course, they HAD to be to defend a country. Jailing rioters and potential rebels (not "dissenters") in an area near the front isn't despicable either, especially considering what the military had been advocating.

Lincoln didn't ask for that war, in fact, he tried to bend over backwards to prevent it. But the southern states had finally found a scapegoat to justify an armed rebellion against a legitimate government because that government had the gall to tell the south it couldn't have its way all the time. The CSA fired the first shot. And people did not have their rights trampled on, the constitution specifically states heabus corpus can be suspended during wartime.

[Jinos]

How many foreign countries did the Lincoln administration invade, actually?

Well, the Confederacy technically was a foreign country after defecting, much like the colonies became a foreign country from England after the Declaration of Independence.

The Confederacy was never a foreign country, it wasn't recognized internationally, in addition our constitution specifically lays out that states can't engage in international agreements (like a confederacy).

The USA was recognized by France.

There's a difference.

[Aethelstania]

Because they used to be conservatives; now their right wing ideologues

[Tahar Joblis]

Johnson actually got all the shit done that JFK couldn't, was the only President to try to end national poverty and created the Great Society. His only failure was Vietnam.

Nixon, for all his crookedness, created the EPA and OSHA, ended the US government's more horrible policies towards Native Americans, for the first time raised social services spending above military spending, and expanded Johnson's programs.

Let's be fair, Vietnam was a glorious clusterfuck.

Teach us to help France.

To be totally fair, the previous few times we helped out France in a war - telling the Brits to fuck off in 1812 and telling the Germans to fuck off in WWI and WWII - worked out reasonably well for us in the long run.

[Alaje]

Saying that the Republicans is like saying Ron Paul wants to increase the budget of the military or Rachel Maddow voting for them (Republicans). Its just not true...

Today's Republican party is barely removed from Fascism as an ideology. I can't think of any other ideology more "right" than Fascism, except for Nazism, which is really only a subset of Fascism.

Dude, don't talk about something you obviously don't know a thing about. The GOP is nowhere near Fascism ideologically.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Today's Republican party is barely removed from Fascism as an ideology. I can't think of any other ideology more "right" than Fascism, except for Nazism, which is really only a subset of Fascism.

Dude, don't talk about something you obviously don't know a thing about. The GOP is nowhere near Fascism ideologically.

The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Let's be fair, Vietnam was a glorious clusterfuck.

Teach us to help France.

To be totally fair, the previous few times we helped out France in a war - telling the Brits to fuck off in 1812 and telling the Germans to fuck off in WWI and WWII - worked out reasonably well for us in the long run.

Three out of four ain't bad.