Homosexual Marriage ban. Constitutional violation?

[Samuraikoku]

Noticed I never said You, yourself would see a difference or agree. I just said some would see a major difference.

Which there isn't.

No, dear, the church grants marriage; the state grants civil unions.

No.

[Hurdegaryp]

It has already been done before in interracial marriages. It should, by analogy, take a new precedent for same-sex marriage.

That seems to be the correct approach, yes. It's all about the rights of the individual, after all. Simply keep religion out of it, it's strictly a legal matter.

[United German Citizens]

Humans can agree on whatever they wish, but IF you support Judeo-Christian beliefs (or Muslim), then you have to accept that the Laws of Moses - Laws of God - do not support homosexual love.

Good thing they don't matter, since the validity of marriage is granted by the State.

Sure, as long as we are speaking of Earthly matters. Some people would believe that their are more commanding powers-that-be than our duly elected representatives in the Washington Beltway

[Western Borderlands]

No, dear, the church grants marriage; the state grants civil unions.

I'm sorry but this is false.

[Slarvainian]

No, dear, the church grants marriage; the state grants civil unions.

I'm sorry but this is false.

Justice of the peace can do it to

[United German Citizens]

Noticed I never said You, yourself would see a difference or agree. I just said some would see a major difference.

Which there isn't.

That is your opinion

[The Nuclear Fist]

Some people would believe that their are more commanding powers-that-be than our duly elected representatives in the Washington Beltway

It's a good thing that the laws of the civilized world are not defined by fictional 'commanding powers-that-be', then, but instead by Earthly governments.

The opinions of those who wound want it otherwise are poisonous and should be disregarded.

@OP: I feel like, if interracial marriage isn't against the law, neither should be homosexual marriage.

[Samuraikoku]

It's a good thing that the laws of the civilized world are not defined by fictional 'commanding powers-that-be', then, but instead by Earthly governments.

The Emperor protects gay marriage. *nods*

[The Nuclear Fist]

The Emperor protects gay marriage. *nods*

Gork 'n Mork says ta marry 'oo ya want.

[United German Citizens]

^^
You both would get along smashingly

[Samuraikoku]

The Emperor protects gay marriage. *nods*

Gork 'n Mork says ta marry 'oo ya want.

I say they'd be wondering "Wot's dis marriage fing? Don't seem like a squig."

[The Nuclear Fist]

Gork 'n Mork says ta marry 'oo ya want.

I say they'd be wondering "Wot's dis marriage fing? Don't seem like a squig."

Eh, Gork 'n Mork learned about it from Slaanesh. You know, in between taking turns smashing his head open.

[TomKirk]

No, dear, the church grants marriage; the state grants civil unions.

No, dear, the church performs "weddings"; the state grants "marriage".

[Hurdegaryp]

I say they'd be wondering "Wot's dis marriage fing? Don't seem like a squig."

Eh, Gork 'n Mork learned about it from Slaanesh. You know, in between taking turns smashing his head open.

Of course there's the easily overlooked detail concerning the Orks being non-sexual (or monosexual, if you like) sentients. They procreate through spores, pretty much like mushrooms. The Orks are pretty much living weapons, being the somewhat mutated result of a rather succesfull bioweapons project of the Ancients. Orks have no sexual feelings, but they usually are capable of building rather crude combat vehicles and weaponry from scratch pretty much from the day they were spawned from their specific patch of fungus. You do not need the concept of marriage when you've got such precious skills from the very moment you came into existence.

[Neo Art]

....the hell?

[Greed and Death]

....the hell?

The Orks are getting married NeoArt whether you like it or not.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Eh, Gork 'n Mork learned about it from Slaanesh. You know, in between taking turns smashing his head open.

Of course there's the easily overlooked detail concerning the Orks being non-sexual (or monosexual, if you like) sentients. They procreate through spores, pretty much like mushrooms. The Orks are pretty much living weapons, being the somewhat mutated result of a rather succesfull bioweapons project of the Ancients. Orks have no sexual feelings, but they usually are capable of building rather crude combat vehicles and weaponry from scratch pretty much from the day they were spawned from their specific patch of fungus. You do not need the concept of marriage when you've got such precious skills from the very moment you came into existence.

I'd like to think I'm very nearly an expert on the Orks, I know this.

Also, let's stop threadjacking, shall we?

[Hurdegaryp]

Did you not read anything I wrote? The Orks simply do not care about your feeble human concept of marriage!

[Zephie]

Constitionally speaking, homosexual (and any other) marriage should be protected under the 1st Amendment, as the "right to peacefully assemble" could be interpreted to when two people voluntarily agree to "assemble" with each other (which you could call a marriage, if you wish).

LOL. It's not illegal to be a same-sex couple.

[Samuraikoku]

Eh, Gork 'n Mork learned about it from Slaanesh. You know, in between taking turns smashing his head open.

Of course there's the easily overlooked detail concerning the Orks being non-sexual (or monosexual, if you like) sentients. They procreate through spores, pretty much like mushrooms. The Orks are pretty much living weapons, being the somewhat mutated result of a rather succesfull bioweapons project of the Ancients. Orks have no sexual feelings, but they usually are capable of building rather crude combat vehicles and weaponry from scratch pretty much from the day they were spawned from their specific patch of fungus. You do not need the concept of marriage when you've got such precious skills from the very moment you came into existence.

Imperium of Man - There were LGBT characters under Ciaphas Cain...

HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!

... and no one particularly cared.

Orks - "Wot's dis marriage fing?"
Necrons - "..."
Tau - "Our bond is strong." (they discriminate between Castes)
Tyranids - "Eat. Consume."

With the Eldar and Dark Eldar things get more complicated. Dark Eldar, it is to be assumed, don't need and don't care for marriage, and nothing is said about the Eldar.

[Hurdegaryp]

Also, let's stop threadjacking, shall we?

Why? Everything goes better with Orks, after all. Why generate post after post after post about the emancipation of marriage, when we could be talking about tender subjects such as Ork Gargants?

[The Nuclear Fist]

Also, let's stop threadjacking, shall we?

Why? Everything goes better with Orks, after all. Why generate post after post after post about the emancipation of marriage, when we could be talking about tender subjects such as Ork Gargants?

Because there is already a Warhammer 40,000 thread, and threadjacking is against the rules.

[Hurdegaryp]

Hm, that does seem like a significant detail, yes. Well, since I'm a staunch defender of equal rights for those who also are willing to defend the whole concept of equal rights for everyone, it's only logical to defend the right to marry for everyone who's old & wise enough to make that decision. It also only seems logical that the Constitution would protect that right, let's just hope that I'm not being too enlightened here in assuming that.

[Ceannairceach]

"Marriage is legalized and administered by the state"

Marriage is not legalized or administered by the state or federal government. At the time of the writing of the American Constitution, marriage was administered and sanctioned by the church - whatever church you chose - and was a convenant between a man, woman, and God. Government officials, like judges, could perform a civil ceremony, to bind to people, but it did NOT have any religious basis.

Many of those who oppose gay marriage do so because the word "marriage" implies a covenant between the couple and God.

When you get married, you get a marriage license. That license is given by the government, not the or a church or religious organization. You pay your forty dollars or so to the government, not the church. Marriage is, was, and forever will be a governmental program, not a religious event.

[Shnercropolis]

There's nothing in the constitution expressly preserving the right to Homosexual marriage.