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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:29 pm

Zephie wrote:no gay marriage is not a constitutional violation, lol

That's not the question.
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Postby Zephie » Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:31 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Zephie wrote:no gay marriage is not a constitutional violation, lol

That's not the question.

I guess you didn't read the name of the topic.

Homosexual Marriage ban. Constitutional violation?
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Postby Phocidaea » Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:33 pm

It's not explicitly unconstitutional, but it certainly is implicitly so for the various reasons you listed.

It's only unconstitutional if you interpret the constitution more, whereas at face value the constitution says nothing about it.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:34 pm

Zephie wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:That's not the question.

I guess you didn't read the name of the topic.

Homosexual Marriage ban. Constitutional violation?

Yes, he's asking if banning homosexual marriage is a constitutional violation, not if Gay marriage itself is a constitutional violation. Why don't you read the topic name, then read your post, then back to the topic name.
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Postby Divair » Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:34 pm

Zephie wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:That's not the question.

I guess you didn't read the name of the topic.

Homosexual Marriage ban. Constitutional violation?

I guess you didn't.

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Postby The Murray Dynasty » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:34 am

Same-sex Marriage in Maine has been approved. (Something along the lines of 55%-44%) Smashing success! Too bad Romney didn't win though hahaha.
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Postby Zokoria » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:49 am

I bet the Supreme Court will try to bring down Prop 8 and restore marriage equality in California. Possibly by a 5-4 decision.

If not, then there will be a ballot measure to re-legalize it in 2014, alongside Oregon. New Jersey will also legalize gay marriage, only if Christie loses re-election.
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:00 am

Marriage never was a governmental program. Historically, the privilege of matrimony can only be affirmed by the Church. (Of course whatever the "Church" is depends on your location at the time) We see this trend since the earliest of times. So I believe your first point is false.

Now whether marriage is and forever will be dictated by the government is academic. You can't see what may happen in the future, neither can I. So please, don't make such a variable influenced topic a statement of infallibility, it only makes you seem unwise & pretentious.


Marriage has been a civil concept for longer than it's been a religious concept. Indeed, longer than any organised religion has existed. There was a brief (comparatively) period in which certain religions in certain areas of the world claimed (without justification) some form of monopoly over marriage, but these are the exceptions, not the norm.
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Postby Tmutarakhan » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:45 am

Neo Art wrote:The way you snipped my quote, it appeared that you were quoting me as saying, literally "the constitution and the declaration are the same thing" (which was the opposite of my point) and then providing a "oh really, I didn't know that" sarcastic response.

The way you wrote your post, it sounded like that was what you were saying-- once I figured out what the hell "CotUSA" and "DoA" were even supposed to stand for (why "DoA" anyhow? did you mean "DoI"?) Would it have hurt so terribly to spell out what you were trying to say?
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:41 pm

The Murray Dynasty wrote:Same-sex Marriage in Maine has been approved. (Something along the lines of 55%-44%) Smashing success! Too bad Romney didn't win though hahaha.


You do realize that if Romney won, all these same-sex marriage approvals would've gone down the drain?
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