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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:27 pm

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So much for Davie Boy's "We're all in it together." when MPs are taking home £80K per annual before expenses and extra cash from lobbying.


Simple measure of leadership.

In times of suffering a leader will never talk about "we" as to suggest he is suffering as well.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:31 pm

Hoppers wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
£65,738


Wiki puts it at £77,000 of taxable income when you include the severance package.


which is not what you said. nor would it be true in all cases.
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

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Postby Tratvia » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:31 pm

Re: Phoenidae:

I am a patriotic Englishman, but I agree entirely with the concept of a financial transaction tax. As long as it goes into HMG's coffers (and likewise into Berlin's coffers for Frankfurt etc). My view is that certain narrow-minded individuals are trying to turn the current Eurozone crisis into a case for fiscal union. No British government, be it Tory, Labour, or Liberal, could ever concede that without a referendum. Even with the Whips on his side, Cameron could never get it past the 1922 Committee if he wanted to. At the moment, Cameron's backbenchers are trying to force an in/out vote on our membership of the EU. My view is that the bankers got us into this mess, they should pay to get us out.

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Postby Hoppers » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:32 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
Hoppers wrote:
Wiki puts it at £77,000 of taxable income when you include the severance package.


which is not what you said. nor would it be true in all cases.


I don't believe I said anything :s

It takes into account MPs who fulfill their job.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:34 pm

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The UK in Exile wrote:
which is not what you said. nor would it be true in all cases.


I don't believe I said anything :s

It takes into account MPs who fulfill their job.


and disregards accuracy.....
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
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Postby Hoppers » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:35 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
Hoppers wrote:
I don't believe I said anything :s

It takes into account MPs who fulfill their job.


and disregards accuracy.....


No.

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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:40 pm

Hoppers wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
and disregards accuracy.....


No.


yep. mps are paid 65000 per annum. severance pay is a separate issue and calculated on an individual basis. Tam Dalyell would have got considerably more for his 43 years of service than louise Mensch, who would have got none.
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
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Postby Tratvia » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:43 pm

Louise Mensch doesn't deserve a wooden sheckel, let alone a brass farthing, for her "efforts" as a Tory MP - she actually had the temerity to say that the Occupy chaps shouldn't be listened to because they bought coffees from Starbucks. She's a total cockwomble.

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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:46 pm

Tratvia wrote:Louise Mensch doesn't deserve a wooden sheckel, let alone a brass farthing, for her "efforts" as a Tory MP - she actually had the temerity to say that the Occupy chaps shouldn't be listened to because they bought coffees from Starbucks. She's a total cockwomble.


I Imagine the people of Corby view that as value for money from their elected representative.
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
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Postby The Caldari Union » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:50 pm

The evil selfish protesters embody everything that is bad about Britain

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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:51 pm

The Caldari Union wrote:The evil selfish protesters embody everything that is bad about Britain


nothing?
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
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Postby Tratvia » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:55 pm

The Caldari Union wrote:The evil selfish protesters embody everything that is bad about Britain


That some British people care enough to stand up to injustice, inequality, and inequity? That there are still some who will resist the tyrant's yoke? Viva Mark Serwotka - at least he's suggesting that people resist through the medium of a General Strike.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:55 pm

The Caldari Union wrote:The evil selfish protesters embody everything that is bad about Britain


They're Jimmy Saville impersonators driving Land Rovers through drizzle?
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Postby Hoppers » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:58 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
The Caldari Union wrote:The evil selfish protesters embody everything that is bad about Britain


nothing?


There's nothing wrong with Britain?

Wow the arrogant stereotype definitely seems to have something to it.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:59 pm

The Caldari Union wrote:The evil selfish protesters embody everything that is bad about Britain


So...much...fail...
Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:00 pm

Hoppers wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
nothing?


There's nothing wrong with Britain?

Wow the arrogant stereotype definitely seems to have something to it.


oh sorry, do they answer silly posts with serious ones in yerp?
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
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Postby Hoppers » Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:01 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
Hoppers wrote:
There's nothing wrong with Britain?

Wow the arrogant stereotype definitely seems to have something to it.


oh sorry, do they answer silly posts with serious ones in yerp?


Yerp?

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Postby Phoaeniae » Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:33 pm

Tratvia wrote:Re: Phoenidae:

I am a patriotic Englishman, but I agree entirely with the concept of a financial transaction tax. As long as it goes into HMG's coffers (and likewise into Berlin's coffers for Frankfurt etc). My view is that certain narrow-minded individuals are trying to turn the current Eurozone crisis into a case for fiscal union. No British government, be it Tory, Labour, or Liberal, could ever concede that without a referendum. Even with the Whips on his side, Cameron could never get it past the 1922 Committee if he wanted to. At the moment, Cameron's backbenchers are trying to force an in/out vote on our membership of the EU. My view is that the bankers got us into this mess, they should pay to get us out.


Thank You Tratvia.
.. despite my english grammar while writing long posts, I see someone having the capacity of understanding. :)

However, in sinthesis, I support Union in Europe (a kind of), obiouvsly not with Countries and peoples wich don't agree. In pratical, idea on tigher Union regards who's managing common currency. Sholud result an efficent asset of "two level" Union. A wider "european area", cohomprending members with rules quite like nowadays fixed, and into it a strong "block" (already you understand importance of having a common currency coming years) in wich to form a Political Union.
Reason why it's substained an effective mandate and capacity of European Central Bank is both efficence and capacity of a storng indipendent legal enforment to enforce law in financial market, while local Institutional Bank don't have the force or voluntee to approve Antitrust or control documents whene needed, to oppose illegality by main banks soft power. This should regard just main financial and banking concentration, and larger sector of local or not giant corporations and banks keeping been regulated at local (national) level.
Then, about -fiscal union- in reality, if well done, should solve part of problem of interest problem of in-debt States (objectivity wants, despite our past faults, dishonest interest requested by hedge fund and others on public titles hurts common good). Still, I understand scepticism from other Countries when they scared about "debt sharing" (wich well is other thing). I don't insist on that; other points cited are far more important and however formal debt solution, I imagine would be a general "cut-off" plan over State-debts taken as singles. (in this way, for es., if Italy passes from 120% bebt to.. 80%; Germany should from 80% to 40%..ecc.) Now this is not on agenda and seems utopistic now, nevertheless will happen.

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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:39 pm

It's all utter bollocks. What we should be doing is following the example set by Iceland by clearing out the house of corrupt politicians and bankers. Prosecutions...not austerity. All this is doing is letting the criminal bastards off the hook.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:00 pm

It is not suprising that few Aussies and Kiwis are living or studying there these days; they can earn more and live better lives in Australia. The UK government has certainly done all it could to screw up the country.

I couldn't help chuckling when they made up BS here in NZ about a building boom in London, people can earn more in Australia; plus unlike the UK they dont get kicked out in two years in what has to be the most stupid immigration system ever designed i.e. employers cant keep you in the UK.

And the UK govt wonders why the economy isn't growing. *shrugs*
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:09 pm

This thread is not an accurate representation of the march today.
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Postby Acrainia » Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:56 pm

Europeans protesting?

I never thought I'd see the day...

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