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Anti-Austerity Protests Start in Britain

Postby Morrdh » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:01 am

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/austerity-prot ... 46774.html

LONDON (Reuters) - Tens of thousands of protesters marched through London on Saturday calling for an end to public spending cuts and tax rises launched by a government they accuse of elitism and ignorance about the plight of recession-hit voters.


1. Better late than never, was almost afraid that us Brits had forgotten how to protest.

2. Never did agree with the Tories' economic plan, the fact we're now in a double-dip recession just as was predicted what would happen.

Personally I would've focused on getting the economy back on track to help get people back into work and boosting tax income without actually raising whilst the welfare bill goes down at the same time. THEN looked at making cuts starting at the top including MPs' wages and cutting bureaucratic waste before working my way down.

3. Even with the Expanses Scandal of a couple of years back still fresh in people's minds its discovered 27 MPs are exploiting a loophole by renting flats to each other at the taxpayer's expense.

So much for Davie Boy's "We're all in it together." when MPs are taking home £80K per annual before expenses and extra cash from lobbying.
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Postby Olivaero » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:12 am

Morrdh wrote:http://uk.news.yahoo.com/austerity-protesters-fed-economy-march-london-100346774.html

LONDON (Reuters) - Tens of thousands of protesters marched through London on Saturday calling for an end to public spending cuts and tax rises launched by a government they accuse of elitism and ignorance about the plight of recession-hit voters.


1. Better late than never, was almost afraid that us Brits had forgotten how to protest.

2. Never did agree with the Tories' economic plan, the fact we're now in a double-dip recession just as was predicted what would happen.

Personally I would've focused on getting the economy back on track to help get people back into work and boosting tax income without actually raising whilst the welfare bill goes down at the same time. THEN looked at making cuts starting at the top including MPs' wages and cutting bureaucratic waste before working my way down.

3. Even with the Expanses Scandal of a couple of years back still fresh in people's minds its discovered 27 MPs are exploiting a loophole by renting flats to each other at the taxpayer's expense.

So much for Davie Boy's "We're all in it together." when MPs are taking home £80K per annual before expenses and extra cash from lobbying.

Can't find an article right now but pretty sure we had a 500k (ish) march through London last (or maybe this?) year protesting exactly the same thing.... then there was all that business with the students trashing the Tory HQ which was in 2010 correct me if I'm wrong... so yeah... We've had quite a few protests the last few years... even if you don't (which I'm not) count the riots.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:18 am

Ugh, when will they realise that a healthy budget is a healthy economy?
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Postby Morrdh » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:20 am

Olivaero wrote:Can't find an article right now but pretty sure we had a 500k (ish) march through London last (or maybe this?) year protesting exactly the same thing.... then there was all that business with the students trashing the Tory HQ which was in 2010 correct me if I'm wrong... so yeah... We've had quite a few protests the last few years... even if you don't (which I'm not) count the riots.


You're thinking of the student protests over university fees, different thing entirely.

Friend of mine took part in that one, though thankfully they were well away from where the trouble broke out.
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Postby Socialist States Owen » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:21 am

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Postby Olivaero » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:31 am

Morrdh wrote:
Olivaero wrote:Can't find an article right now but pretty sure we had a 500k (ish) march through London last (or maybe this?) year protesting exactly the same thing.... then there was all that business with the students trashing the Tory HQ which was in 2010 correct me if I'm wrong... so yeah... We've had quite a few protests the last few years... even if you don't (which I'm not) count the riots.


You're thinking of the student protests over university fees, different thing entirely.

Friend of mine took part in that one, though thankfully they were well away from where the trouble broke out.

No the 500k march through London was a union sponsored thing. Happened if not on near to mayday last year I think. And even the student protests were a protest over the cause of spending cuts... I mean the whole reason Uni's now charge more is because of the cut to their government grants.
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Postby Olivaero » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:32 am

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Ugh, when will they realise that a healthy budget is a healthy economy?

Who is this aimed at btw? the protesters or the conservatives?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:33 am

Good. I actually support in principle a lot of the things the conservatives have been doing, but there's a distinct lack of compassion or critical thinking in the implementation.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:34 am

Olivaero wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Ugh, when will they realise that a healthy budget is a healthy economy?

Who is this aimed at btw? the protesters or the conservatives?

Protesters.
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Postby The Caldari Union » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:35 am

Stupid evil protesters should be imprisoned. Leftist want the gov to. Give them all for free. Work and buy selfish scroungers. Buy healthcare no government in economy

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Postby Olivaero » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:37 am

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Olivaero wrote:Who is this aimed at btw? the protesters or the conservatives?

Protesters.

Ah in that case they will "realize" that, when they "realize" that the economy is more important than people... so never.
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Postby Neo-Megatopia » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:37 am

Morrdh wrote:1. Better late than never, was almost afraid that us Brits had forgotten how to protest.


I always thought Brits were the best at it.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:39 am

The Caldari Union wrote:Stupid evil protesters should be imprisoned. Leftist want the gov to. Give them all for free. Work and buy selfish scroungers. Buy healthcare no government in economy


English, motherfucker.

Do you speak it?
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:39 am

The Caldari Union wrote:Stupid evil protesters should be imprisoned. Leftist want the gov to. Give them all for free. Work and buy selfish scroungers. Buy healthcare no government in economy


What is this, Put Full Stops in Unnecessary Places and Formulate Poorly-Structured Sentences Day?

The Caldari Union wrote:Stupid evil protesters should be imprisoned.


How can you be a libertarian and support imprisoning protesters?

Leftist want the gov to. Give them all for free.


I'm going to assume that you mean "everything", not "all". Either way, you don't understand leftism.

Work and buy selfish scroungers.


This strike is by union members. Union members, as people who work, are not scroungers. :palm:

Buy healthcare no government in economy


:roll: Our healthcare is better than the US' failure of a private system.
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Postby Neo-Megatopia » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:40 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Buy healthcare no government in economy


:roll: Our healthcare is better than the US' failure of a private system.


As an American, I have to say I agree with this. I wanna move to Canada or something, maybe back to Australia. :v
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Postby Olivaero » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:43 am

The Caldari Union wrote:Stupid evil protesters should be imprisoned. Leftist want the gov to. Give them all for free. Work and buy selfish scroungers. Buy healthcare no government in economy

Wow. great arguments you got there.... good to see you enjoy pissing on peoples freedom.
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Postby Morrdh » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:46 am

Neo-Megatopia wrote:
Morrdh wrote:1. Better late than never, was almost afraid that us Brits had forgotten how to protest.


I always thought Brits were the best at it.


So did I, just surprised its taken us this long to finally get round to doing it compared to the uproar over Poll Tax in the 1980s.
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Postby Saxoiy » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:57 am

Morrdh wrote:http://uk.news.yahoo.com/austerity-protesters-fed-economy-march-london-100346774.html

LONDON (Reuters) - Tens of thousands of protesters marched through London on Saturday calling for an end to public spending cuts and tax rises launched by a government they accuse of elitism and ignorance about the plight of recession-hit voters.


1. Better late than never, was almost afraid that us Brits had forgotten how to protest.

2. Never did agree with the Tories' economic plan, the fact we're now in a double-dip recession just as was predicted what would happen.

Personally I would've focused on getting the economy back on track to help get people back into work and boosting tax income without actually raising whilst the welfare bill goes down at the same time. THEN looked at making cuts starting at the top including MPs' wages and cutting bureaucratic waste before working my way down.

3. Even with the Expanses Scandal of a couple of years back still fresh in people's minds its discovered 27 MPs are exploiting a loophole by renting flats to each other at the taxpayer's expense.

So much for Davie Boy's "We're all in it together." when MPs are taking home £80K per annual before expenses and extra cash from lobbying.


You do realise that our MP's are poorly paid compared to other nations government members right?

Plus perhaps if we left the EU we wouldnt have to have these kind of cuts, infact we might not of had to make any cuts at all...

And lastly the Tory plan is quite good in theory, but unfortantly the EU and the world econamy has stopped the said plan from taking effect. Oh, and im a UKIP supporter by the way so i dont even support the Tories.
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Postby Tratvia » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:06 pm

Olivaero wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Protesters.

Ah in that case they will "realize" that, when they "realize" that the economy is more important than people... so never.


That, my dear fellow, comes out of the wrong end of a bull. The economy exists to serve the people. And Cameron's desire to give the rich more at the expense of the poorest and our society as a whole is (a) self-defeating and (b) lunatic. As for Nick Clegg, he really shouldn't have swallowed David Cameron's Eton mess. Were a few bums on ministerial seats worth every principle the Liberals have ever held? My view is that there should be a 10% wealth tax on anyone who has £1 million or more in the UK. That would pay off the entire National Debt, plus a few billion for building council houses. I would also tax the casino banks until the pips squeaked. They got us into this mess, they can pay to get us out.

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Postby Olivaero » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:11 pm

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Olivaero wrote:Ah in that case they will "realize" that, when they "realize" that the economy is more important than people... so never.


That, my dear fellow, comes out of the wrong end of a bull. The economy exists to serve the people. And Cameron's desire to give the rich more at the expense of the poorest and our society as a whole is (a) self-defeating and (b) lunatic. As for Nick Clegg, he really shouldn't have swallowed David Cameron's Eton mess. Were a few bums on ministerial seats worth every principle the Liberals have ever held? My view is that there should be a 10% wealth tax on anyone who has £1 million or more in the UK. That would pay off the entire National Debt, plus a few billion for building council houses. I would also tax the casino banks until the pips squeaked. They got us into this mess, they can pay to get us out.

Yes... I agree with you. Well, maybe not on exactly the same policy decisions but we are broadly in agreement ideologically.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:17 pm

Saxoiy wrote:
Morrdh wrote:http://uk.news.yahoo.com/austerity-protesters-fed-economy-march-london-100346774.html



1. Better late than never, was almost afraid that us Brits had forgotten how to protest.

2. Never did agree with the Tories' economic plan, the fact we're now in a double-dip recession just as was predicted what would happen.

Personally I would've focused on getting the economy back on track to help get people back into work and boosting tax income without actually raising whilst the welfare bill goes down at the same time. THEN looked at making cuts starting at the top including MPs' wages and cutting bureaucratic waste before working my way down.

3. Even with the Expanses Scandal of a couple of years back still fresh in people's minds its discovered 27 MPs are exploiting a loophole by renting flats to each other at the taxpayer's expense.

So much for Davie Boy's "We're all in it together." when MPs are taking home £80K per annual before expenses and extra cash from lobbying.


You do realise that our MP's are poorly paid compared to other nations government members right?

Plus perhaps if we left the EU we wouldnt have to have these kind of cuts, infact we might not of had to make any cuts at all...

And lastly the Tory plan is quite good in theory, but unfortantly the EU and the world econamy has stopped the said plan from taking effect. Oh, and im a UKIP supporter by the way so i dont even support the Tories.


either Europe is to blame for britains economic woes, and thus the tories lied about it being labours fault.

or

Labour is to blame for britains economic woes, and thus the tories are too stupid to fix it.

but its one of those. pick.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:19 pm

Morrdh wrote:http://uk.news.yahoo.com/austerity-protesters-fed-economy-march-london-100346774.html

LONDON (Reuters) - Tens of thousands of protesters marched through London on Saturday calling for an end to public spending cuts and tax rises launched by a government they accuse of elitism and ignorance about the plight of recession-hit voters.


1. Better late than never, was almost afraid that us Brits had forgotten how to protest.

2. Never did agree with the Tories' economic plan, the fact we're now in a double-dip recession just as was predicted what would happen.

Personally I would've focused on getting the economy back on track to help get people back into work and boosting tax income without actually raising whilst the welfare bill goes down at the same time. THEN looked at making cuts starting at the top including MPs' wages and cutting bureaucratic waste before working my way down.

3. Even with the Expanses Scandal of a couple of years back still fresh in people's minds its discovered 27 MPs are exploiting a loophole by renting flats to each other at the taxpayer's expense.

So much for Davie Boy's "We're all in it together." when MPs are taking home £80K per annual before expenses and extra cash from lobbying.


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Postby Phoaeniae » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:19 pm

Dear British collegues,
I'm not going to dispute over fiscal preferences of conservative-labourist (for England) or christian-socialist (for continental Europe) political line in budget, or clichés of kinds Sure, debate could be interesting as important, still I would like to recommend you the actual political poit, wich can make difference among all over fiscal and welfare policies in both continental Europe and British Island:
some European Countries governments have just promised "fiscal transaction tax" to be introduced. After 30 and more years of scandal, finally we could be at tourning point.
To avoid ambiguities, this is not a simple thecnocratic imposition by sort of European sprawling costly bureaucacy on indipendent State. No one here wants, or should to, to impose to English people to join any sort of Union or sovra-national constription. As just and legal, no one in Europe wants to coherce peoples who don't to fiscal or political imposition: I've always supported right of Nations (as England as first) wich don't wish be part of polical Union, due to their role or their History or their Sovereign voluntee.
Then, it's granted again right of each to pursue own interest as Country.
As es., when "carbon tax" was in agenda I was very despleased when corrupted and infamous Italian past gov. (where i belong to), and, on a different line, German gov. opposing it. We all knew the few interest of this Countries (wich are most manifacture productor of Europe) regarding to other. When defending National interest if possible, reasonable people should understand when a solution is better for soustainability or general good much evident reason.
At the end, historical error of opposing not appying financial tax could damage British at the end.
Personally i can tell you I've ever admired your strict and severe policy on keeping your budget well, and I oppose choises wich produce un-defined debt.
Assesment of application of financial transition tax is estimated as 24-25 bln/year for London Stock Exange alone. This resources could be used also in England for reducing deficit AND/OR welfare cuts. Apparent interest in London of keeping over dimensioned financial structure is not sustainable (as is not in others) and a disturbed policy produces always more damages, for each.
I please you, British friends, to have a stance in favour of "Financial Transition Tax". The 16 Nations (of wich Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Sweden, Netherlands among others) are going to apply it (they should reach in total 10-12 bln/year, half of England alone) despite difficoulties and pressure from iper-influent finance groups.
APPROVE FINANCIAL TRANSITION TAX IN EUROPE, to cure deficit and welfare losses (and brake distortion of economic cicle wich produces crisis).
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Postby Hoppers » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:24 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
Morrdh wrote:http://uk.news.yahoo.com/austerity-protesters-fed-economy-march-london-100346774.html



1. Better late than never, was almost afraid that us Brits had forgotten how to protest.

2. Never did agree with the Tories' economic plan, the fact we're now in a double-dip recession just as was predicted what would happen.

Personally I would've focused on getting the economy back on track to help get people back into work and boosting tax income without actually raising whilst the welfare bill goes down at the same time. THEN looked at making cuts starting at the top including MPs' wages and cutting bureaucratic waste before working my way down.

3. Even with the Expanses Scandal of a couple of years back still fresh in people's minds its discovered 27 MPs are exploiting a loophole by renting flats to each other at the taxpayer's expense.

So much for Davie Boy's "We're all in it together." when MPs are taking home £80K per annual before expenses and extra cash from lobbying.


£65,738


Wiki puts it at £77,000 of taxable income when you include the severance package.

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Postby Divair » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:26 pm

Good. Austerity only makes the situation worse.

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