by Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:25 am
by Nadkor » Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:32 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:I realize it's for the barkeepers, but they smoke too...
by SaintB » Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:37 am
by Shard_Head » Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:45 am
by Forsher » Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:51 am
SaintB wrote:I fully understand and condone smoking bans in work places, stores, and restaurants but bars, parks, and sidewalks are another thing entirely. Bars are full of adults already, most of them imbibing poisonous substances that cause more short term damage than inhaling someone's smoke on occasion does in the long term, parks and sidewalks are in the open air where the smoke is carried away by the wind and dispersed into the area (outside is pretty big or so I am told anyway) where it has minimal effect; designated smoking sections in outside areas are fine with me but outright bans outdoors without good reason such as you'll catch the forest on fire are a step too far.
I'm not even a smoker and in fact inhaling cigarette smoke makes me choke but some regulations are getting pretty silly.
Ostroeuropa wrote:Still awake from last night, and discussed the absurdity of this law with friends. I don't know if anyone else thinks this, but since the smoking ban every smoker in the pub migrates to the nearest smoking area, often around the same time, and as such new aquaintances/friends who smoke are gained every time you visit the smoking area to smoke.
I'm confident that if anything, the pub smoking ban is making it a lot harder for people to quit smoking (if they frequent pubs.)
I realize it's for the barkeepers, but they smoke too...
Whats your opinion on the smoking ban, and am I right in my noticing the forced socialization?
EDIT:
Clarification - you get to know all the smokers, instead of them staying at their tables. Some are other regulars.
by The Matthew Islands » Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:34 am
Souseiseki wrote:as a posting career in the UK Poltics Thread becomes longer, the probability of literally becoming souseiseki approaches 1
by Tagmatium » Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:35 am
North Calaveras wrote:Tagmatium, it was never about pie...
by Varijnland » Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:43 am
by Shard_Head » Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:44 am
The Matthew Islands wrote:I kind of like the smoking ban, because I don't like smoking, and I don't like coming home smelling like shit from cigarette smoke.
However, a few days after the smoking ban, I did notice a change. The smell of smoke has now been replaced with farts. Hell, some bloke let out so bad the whole pub started clapping. At least Smoking did a decent job of hiding that.
by Tagmatium » Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:44 am
Varijnland wrote:I hate smoking, it's disgusting however the ban has killed the pubs!
North Calaveras wrote:Tagmatium, it was never about pie...
by Shard_Head » Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:47 am
Varijnland wrote:I hate smoking, it's disgusting however the ban has killed the pubs!
by Ifreann » Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:43 am
SaintB wrote:I fully understand and condone smoking bans in work places, stores, and restaurants but bars, parks, and sidewalks are another thing entirely. Bars are full of adults already, most of them imbibing poisonous substances that cause more short term damage than inhaling someone's smoke on occasion does in the long term, parks and sidewalks are in the open air where the smoke is carried away by the wind and dispersed into the area (outside is pretty big or so I am told anyway) where it has minimal effect; designated smoking sections in outside areas are fine with me but outright bans outdoors without good reason such as you'll catch the forest on fire are a step too far.
I'm not even a smoker and in fact inhaling cigarette smoke makes me choke but some regulations are getting pretty silly.
Varijnland wrote:I hate smoking, it's disgusting however the ban has killed the pubs!
by Tagmatium » Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:53 am
Tratvia wrote:Tagmatium wrote:Nah, it's the fact that the average pint is about £3.50.
You can pop down an offy and get a four-pack for that sort of money.
Quite so. If I were ever in a position to do so, I'd up the duty on off-licence booze a bit and lower the pub duty considerably to try and redress the balance.
*puffs pipe*
North Calaveras wrote:Tagmatium, it was never about pie...
by Sapiens Isles » Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:54 am
SaintB wrote:I fully understand and condone smoking bans in work places, stores, and restaurants but bars, parks, and sidewalks are another thing entirely. Bars are full of adults already, most of them imbibing poisonous substances that cause more short term damage than inhaling someone's smoke on occasion does in the long term, parks and sidewalks are in the open air where the smoke is carried away by the wind and dispersed into the area (outside is pretty big or so I am told anyway) where it has minimal effect; designated smoking sections in outside areas are fine with me but outright bans outdoors without good reason such as you'll catch the forest on fire are a step too far.
I'm not even a smoker and in fact inhaling cigarette smoke makes me choke but some regulations are getting pretty silly.
by Horsefish » Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:58 am
Areopagitican wrote:I'm not an expert in the field of moron, but what I think he's saying is that if you have to have sex with Shakira (or another dirty ethnic), at the very least, it must be part of a threesome with a white woman. It's a sacrifice, but someone has to make it.
Geniasis wrote:Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go bludgeon some whales to death with my 12-ft dick.
The Western Reaches wrote:I learned that YOU are the reason I embarrassed myself by saying "Horsefish" instead of "Seahorse" this one time in school.
by Ifreann » Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:58 am
Tratvia wrote:Tagmatium wrote:Nah, it's the fact that the average pint is about £3.50.
You can pop down an offy and get a four-pack for that sort of money.
Quite so. If I were ever in a position to do so, I'd up the duty on off-licence booze a bit and lower the pub duty considerably to try and redress the balance.
*puffs pipe*
by Kryozerkia » Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:01 am
by Horsefish » Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:02 am
Ifreann wrote:Tratvia wrote:
Quite so. If I were ever in a position to do so, I'd up the duty on off-licence booze a bit and lower the pub duty considerably to try and redress the balance.
*puffs pipe*
Does the balance actually need redressing, though? When you buy drink in an off-licence you're just paying for the drink. When you go to a pub you're paying for the service and the atmosphere/ambience/whatever. It only follows that pubs would be more expensive.
Areopagitican wrote:I'm not an expert in the field of moron, but what I think he's saying is that if you have to have sex with Shakira (or another dirty ethnic), at the very least, it must be part of a threesome with a white woman. It's a sacrifice, but someone has to make it.
Geniasis wrote:Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go bludgeon some whales to death with my 12-ft dick.
The Western Reaches wrote:I learned that YOU are the reason I embarrassed myself by saying "Horsefish" instead of "Seahorse" this one time in school.
by Samuraikoku » Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:03 am
by Tagmatium » Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:04 am
Horsefish wrote:Ifreann wrote:Does the balance actually need redressing, though? When you buy drink in an off-licence you're just paying for the drink. When you go to a pub you're paying for the service and the atmosphere/ambience/whatever. It only follows that pubs would be more expensive.
But £3.50 a pint? Bit too high.
Though I'd lower duty on both just because I'm poor.
North Calaveras wrote:Tagmatium, it was never about pie...
by Horsefish » Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:09 am
Areopagitican wrote:I'm not an expert in the field of moron, but what I think he's saying is that if you have to have sex with Shakira (or another dirty ethnic), at the very least, it must be part of a threesome with a white woman. It's a sacrifice, but someone has to make it.
Geniasis wrote:Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go bludgeon some whales to death with my 12-ft dick.
The Western Reaches wrote:I learned that YOU are the reason I embarrassed myself by saying "Horsefish" instead of "Seahorse" this one time in school.
by Tratvia » Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:09 am
by Tagmatium » Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:15 am
Tratvia wrote:Me too, but the flibertigibbets and flubberhaddocks currently in office say the budget needs balancing, so I'd cut the pub duty by as much as I raised the off-licence duty (I mean... you can get beer more cheaply than Coca-Cola in Tesco's. Surely that isn't right.
Horsefish wrote:It's simaler everywhere I've seen. Manchester is different but we haven't gone to many proper pubs, and when we do we just buy the cheapest stuff.
Sheffields student club thing was about £3.40!
North Calaveras wrote:Tagmatium, it was never about pie...
by Ifreann » Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:18 am
Kryozerkia wrote:Back when Toronto went to prohibit smoking in restaurants and pubs, there was an uproar about how it would kill business. It's many years later and you will find few if any pubs that complain about lost business.
Horsefish wrote:Ifreann wrote:Does the balance actually need redressing, though? When you buy drink in an off-licence you're just paying for the drink. When you go to a pub you're paying for the service and the atmosphere/ambience/whatever. It only follows that pubs would be more expensive.
But £3.50 a pint? Bit too high.
Though I'd lower duty on both just because I'm poor.
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