Federal Reserve Terror Plot Folied

[Tlaceceyaya]

Yeah, no.

The guy was a real terrorist - they just had him under control every step of the way until they had it absolutely confirmed he was a threat.
But don't let me get in the way of your conspiracy theories.
If it was a real false flag, do you think they would admit the FBI was on to him from the start? They'd say they dramatically foiled the plot at the last second. Much more government-heroic.

It's called entrapment. If you approach someone and convince him to take part in a crime, provide him with all the tools and expertise he needs and only ask that he pulls the trigger. And than you arrest him when he does. What does that say about you?

Except that's not what they did. They contacted him and made an offer, or something. Then they said that they could provide him with tools. He freely chose to do it.

[Caninope]

Yeah, no.

The guy was a real terrorist - they just had him under control every step of the way until they had it absolutely confirmed he was a threat.
But don't let me get in the way of your conspiracy theories.
If it was a real false flag, do you think they would admit the FBI was on to him from the start? They'd say they dramatically foiled the plot at the last second. Much more government-heroic.

It's called entrapment. If you approach someone and convince him to take part in a crime, provide him with all the tools and expertise he needs and only ask that he pulls the trigger. And than you arrest him when he does. What does that say about you?

It's only entrapment if law enforcement persuades or forces him to do something that he wouldn't do otherwise.

Giving him a gun isn't entrapment. Giving him a gun, a target, and yelling at him to pull the trigger is.

[Sane Outcasts]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/17/14514354-man-arrested-in-alleged-plot-to-attack-federal-reserve-in-nyc?lite

From the article its states that the bomber said "He allegedly told an undercover agent last month that he hoped the attack would disrupt the presidential election, saying "You know what, this election might even stop," according to the criminal complaint against him."

and that the NYC Fed Branch was one of many suspected targets some of the others were "He also considered targeting a "high-ranking U.S. official" as well as the New York Stock Exchange, prosecutors said."

and the bomber stated that one of his goal in this foiled attack was "saying he wanted to "destroy America" by going after its economy."

Now time to rip his statements to shreds.

The problem is, he will say he was entrapped by the FBI, since they provided him with the bomb making materials. And by his statements to the FBI he is not the brightest bulb in the pack.

And we all know that there is no such thing, per this administration, as radical muslims practicing Jihad against the united states.

They provided him with inert explosives, he planned the attack, recruited an FBI source, got the components for his detonator, assembled the bomb and detonator, chose the target, recorded statements affirming his desire to attack a US institution, put the bomb in a van, drove that van next to the Fed building, then tried to detonate the bomb. Arguing entrapment will be very difficult for him.

[AETEN II]

I just want to know, did a guy named John McClane do the bust? Was there a German?

[Purpelia]

It's called entrapment. If you approach someone and convince him to take part in a crime, provide him with all the tools and expertise he needs and only ask that he pulls the trigger. And than you arrest him when he does. What does that say about you?

It's only entrapment if law enforcement persuades or forces him to do something that he wouldn't do otherwise.

Giving him a gun isn't entrapment. Giving him a gun, a target, and yelling at him to pull the trigger is.

Which seems to be exactly what they did. If something like this had happened 20 years ago you all would be sounding like I am.

[Norway]

I just want to know, did a guy named John McClane do the bust? Was there a German?

No two guys named Neil Caffrey, and Peter Burke did... /end White Collar Joke

[Sane Outcasts]

It's only entrapment if law enforcement persuades or forces him to do something that he wouldn't do otherwise.

Giving him a gun isn't entrapment. Giving him a gun, a target, and yelling at him to pull the trigger is.

Which seems to be exactly what they did. If something like this had happened 20 years ago you all would be sounding like I am.

As I said in the other thread about this plot:

They provided him with inert explosives, he planned the attack, recruited an FBI source, got the components for his detonator, assembled the bomb and detonator, chose the target, recorded statements affirming his desire to attack a US institution, put the bomb in a van, drove that van next to the Fed building, then tried to detonate the bomb. Arguing entrapment will be very difficult for him.

And what does 1982 have to do with right now?

[The Emerald Dawn]

Which seems to be exactly what they did. If something like this had happened 20 years ago you all would be sounding like I am.

As I said in the other thread about this plot:

They provided him with inert explosives, he planned the attack, recruited an FBI source, got the components for his detonator, assembled the bomb and detonator, chose the target, recorded statements affirming his desire to attack a US institution, put the bomb in a van, drove that van next to the Fed building, then tried to detonate the bomb. Arguing entrapment will be very difficult for him.

And what does 1982 have to do with right now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_and_Regent%27s_Park_bombings?

Maybe?

[The Tiger Kingdom]

It's only entrapment if law enforcement persuades or forces him to do something that he wouldn't do otherwise.

Giving him a gun isn't entrapment. Giving him a gun, a target, and yelling at him to pull the trigger is.

Which seems to be exactly what they did. If something like this had happened 20 years ago you all would be sounding like I am.

Except that it wasn't what happened. At all.
Did you read the source, I wonder?

And a baseless, impossible to prove assertion as to what we "would" think. Well, that's convincing.

[Coccygia]

This sounds like BS, probably from some far right-wing source. I notice the OP has no link to the source.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

This sounds like BS, probably from some far right-wing source. I notice the OP has no link to the source.

But it has a link to an irrelevant wikipedia page, which I guess is just as good?

[Choronzon]

FALSE FLAG FALSE FLAG! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!! STOP DRINKING THE KOOL-AID!

[Tiltjuice]

As I said in the other thread about this plot:

They provided him with inert explosives, he planned the attack, recruited an FBI source, got the components for his detonator, assembled the bomb and detonator, chose the target, recorded statements affirming his desire to attack a US institution, put the bomb in a van, drove that van next to the Fed building, then tried to detonate the bomb. Arguing entrapment will be very difficult for him.

And what does 1982 have to do with right now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_and_Regent%27s_Park_bombings?

Maybe?

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Hyde Park and Regent's Park are in England. Unless MI5 changed its name to "FBI", I don't think that's relevant.

[The Emerald Dawn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_and_Regent%27s_Park_bombings?

Maybe?

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Hyde Park and Regent's Park are in England. Unless MI5 changed its name to "FBI", I don't think that's relevant.

1982, bombing, "what if", it has all the parts to answer the missing mental gymnastics.

[Tiltjuice]

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Hyde Park and Regent's Park are in England. Unless MI5 changed its name to "FBI", I don't think that's relevant.

1982, bombing, "what if", it has all the parts to answer the missing mental gymnastics.

Still not seeing anything relevant. The PIRA claimed responsibility and there is no hint of any British law enforcement or intelligence involvement that I can see in that article, as it currently exists.

[Sane Outcasts]

1982, bombing, "what if", it has all the parts to answer the missing mental gymnastics.

Still not seeing anything relevant. The PIRA claimed responsibility and there is no hint of any British law enforcement or intelligence involvement that I can see in that article, as it currently exists.

Still a nice try, though. I'm thinking Purpelia might mean something more closely related to a frame-up by the government via entrapment, but nothing comes to mind.

[The Emerald Dawn]

1982, bombing, "what if", it has all the parts to answer the missing mental gymnastics.

Still not seeing anything relevant. The PIRA claimed responsibility and there is no hint of any British law enforcement or intelligence involvement that I can see in that article, as it currently exists.

Trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear isn't easy. Give me some credit, friend.

[Choronzon]

I like that undercover operations are evidence of conspiracy.

[AiliailiA]

The great thing about foiled plots is that they're like God or whatever. They may or may not have existed at any stage.

Hence the sting operation. They don't have to prove that the guy was serious about blowing up a building, just provide him with a "bomb" and then arrest him when he tries to use it.

Providing the cops aren't verbally encouraging people to commit crimes, I don't see a problem with sting ops.

[Coccygia]

This sounds like BS, probably from some far right-wing source. I notice the OP has no link to the source.

But it has a link to an irrelevant wikipedia page, which I guess is just as good?

Well, gosh, if he'd given a real source instead of quoting some right-wing blogger or whatever, it would have been evident that this was a Sting operation (see image), not a False-Flag operation. (Yeah, right. The FBI is gonna blow up the US Central Bank - that's what the Fed is - and blame it on an Ebil Muzlim? Gimme a break!)

[Herador]

I was hoping for some hilarity involving one group of FBI agents foiling the plans of another group of dirty FBI agents, instead I find the buzz-kills are all actually doing their jobs? This is sort of disappointing.

[Diynam]

And once again we see that the primary perpetrator of terrorist activity is the government that claims ownership of you and the governments that it calls friends.

cue the stupid trolling that always comes after anyone suggests that there god the government might do something other then love them and smother them with kisses.

[Choronzon]

And once again we see that the primary perpetrator of terrorist activity is the government that claims ownership of you and the governments that it calls friends.

cue the stupid trolling that always comes after anyone suggests that there god the government might do something other then love them and smother them with kisses.

Please provide evidence that the government was behind the terrorist plot.

I would also to be curious to hear how, as an anarchist, government is my "god."

[Farnhamia]

And once again we see that the primary perpetrator of terrorist activity is the government that claims ownership of you and the governments that it calls friends.

cue the stupid trolling that always comes after anyone suggests that there god the government might do something other then love them and smother them with kisses.

If you can show credible evidence that this is true, more power to you. Until then I'm afraid I don't believe you.

[Umbra Ac Silentium]

It's actually a conspiracy.
Look, the FBI just took credit for preventing a real bomb from being detonated.
It was not inert.
It'd make the government look bad if Osama was dead and yet terrorists are still blowing folks up in America.
So, they took credit and pretended he was never really a threat after all. O: