Enforcement of the Idea of Evolution/Creationism

[Divair]

:meh: im a christian and i keep wondering why atheists keep having huge debates with religion,i mean wouldnt we all live happily if we were allowed to believ in what we want you think were wrong then fine let us be to our 'dilusions' sorry if im rambling on.

Once fundamentalists stop trying to influence the government, we can stop debating religion.

[Minzo]

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[NERVUN]

:meh: im a christian and i keep wondering why atheists keep having huge debates with religion,i mean wouldnt we all live happily if we were allowed to believ in what we want you think were wrong then fine let us be to our 'dilusions' sorry if im rambling on.

It would be, if it wasent for the fact that we have to live with people who make descisions based off their delusions.
Morality is a big issue in this. You see many countries around the world in which religion plays a HUGE part in moral descisions, with us atheists preferring a moral system that is reasoned and not based on "might makes right" from a deity.
When it becomes normal for people to beleive the imaginary without decent reason when they are an adult, as I care for peoples wellbeing it also concerns me.

It's nice to know that arrogance ain't limited to theists.

[Frisivisia]

I'd be happy to do so, if only you and your co-religionists would stop trying to make your beliefs into laws, and would stop claiming that the myths and legends in the Bible are scientifically accurate. You promise to keep your religion out of the science classroom and I promise not to come to your church and preach about science. Are we good?

Implying that all religious people are crazy, preachy, rigid orthodox, authoritarian, fundamentals is a stereotype.

Just as much of a stereotype as it is for someone to say that all atheists are hopeless, evil, satanic, out of control, baby eaters.

Stereotypes work both ways.

Except that there are crazy, preachy, rigid orthodox, authoritarian fundamentalists, while there are no satanic, evil, baby-eating atheists.

[Tlaceceyaya]

It would be, if it wasent for the fact that we have to live with people who make descisions based off their delusions.
Morality is a big issue in this. You see many countries around the world in which religion plays a HUGE part in moral descisions, with us atheists preferring a moral system that is reasoned and not based on "might makes right" from a deity.
When it becomes normal for people to beleive the imaginary without decent reason when they are an adult, as I care for peoples wellbeing it also concerns me.

It's nice to know that arrogance ain't limited to theists.

Where's the arrogance in that?

[NERVUN]

Implying that all religious people are crazy, preachy, rigid orthodox, authoritarian, fundamentals is a stereotype.

Just as much of a stereotype as it is for someone to say that all atheists are hopeless, evil, satanic, out of control, baby eaters.

Stereotypes work both ways.

Except that there are crazy, preachy, rigid orthodox, authoritarian fundamentalists, while there are no satanic, evil, baby-eating atheists.

Are you sure?

Hate to say it, there have been some rather bad atheists.

[Minarchist Territory of Pineland]

Implying that all religious people are crazy, preachy, rigid orthodox, authoritarian, fundamentals is a stereotype.

Just as much of a stereotype as it is for someone to say that all atheists are hopeless, evil, satanic, out of control, baby eaters.

Stereotypes work both ways.

Except that there are crazy, preachy, rigid orthodox, authoritarian fundamentalists, while there are no satanic, evil, baby-eating atheists.

No, we have satanists. While they aren't atheist, I agree, but they still aren't christian.

And we have evil people.

And there are cannibals, cannibals can eat babies.

These people can be atheist. It doesn't mean all atheists are like this. Because that's an over generalization and stereotype.

It does work both ways.

Not all christians are as crazy as the bible-bashing republicans.

[Big Jim P]

Except that there are crazy, preachy, rigid orthodox, authoritarian fundamentalists, while there are no satanic, evil, baby-eating atheists.

Are you sure?

Hate to say it, there have been some rather bad atheists.

Indeed, some of which fully deserve the title "fundie".

[Big Jim P]

Except that there are crazy, preachy, rigid orthodox, authoritarian fundamentalists, while there are no satanic, evil, baby-eating atheists.

No, we have satanists. While they aren't atheist, I agree, but they still aren't christian.

And we have evil people.

And there are cannibals, cannibals can eat babies.

These people can be atheist. It doesn't mean all atheists are like this. Because that's an over generalization and stereotype.

It does work both ways.

Not all christians are as crazy as the bible-bashing republicans.

I am a Satanist and I am atheist.

[NERVUN]

It's nice to know that arrogance ain't limited to theists.

Where's the arrogance in that?

Let's see here: "with us atheists preferring a moral system that is reasoned and not based on "might makes right" from a deity." All atheists believe in a reasoned morality? *heh* No, there's plenty who have done might makes right.

"When it becomes normal for people to beleive the imaginary without decent reason when they are an adult, as I care for peoples wellbeing it also concerns me."
Who appointed him as keeper of judging a reason to be decent or not? Not to mention the notion of being concerned for people's well being... it apparently doesn't extend to not coming off as arrogant, better, or at least "clearer" thinking.

Same shite, just from a different point of view, as the holier-than-thou you get from some theists.

[Frisivisia]

Except that there are crazy, preachy, rigid orthodox, authoritarian fundamentalists, while there are no satanic, evil, baby-eating atheists.

Are you sure?

Hate to say it, there have been some rather bad atheists.

It's hard to be a Satanist and an atheist.

[Big Jim P]

:meh: im a christian and i keep wondering why atheists keep having huge debates with religion,i mean wouldnt we all live happily if we were allowed to believ in what we want you think were wrong then fine let us be to our 'dilusions' sorry if im rambling on.

Once fundamentalists stop trying to influence the government, we can stop debating religion.

Not really fair as Atheist try the same thing.

[Big Jim P]

Are you sure?

Hate to say it, there have been some rather bad atheists.

It's hard to be a Satanist and an atheist.

Really?

[Divair]

Once fundamentalists stop trying to influence the government, we can stop debating religion.

Not really fair as Atheist try the same thing.

I haven't heard of any supporters of state atheism

[Big Jim P]

Where's the arrogance in that?

Let's see here: "with us atheists preferring a moral system that is reasoned and not based on "might makes right" from a deity." All atheists believe in a reasoned morality? *heh* No, there's plenty who have done might makes right.

"When it becomes normal for people to beleive the imaginary without decent reason when they are an adult, as I care for peoples wellbeing it also concerns me."
Who appointed him as keeper of judging a reason to be decent or not? Not to mention the notion of being concerned for people's well being... it apparently doesn't extend to not coming off as arrogant, better, or at least "clearer" thinking.

Same shite, just from a different point of view, as the holier-than-thou you get from some theists.

Non-holier-than thou. *nod*

[NERVUN]

Are you sure?

Hate to say it, there have been some rather bad atheists.

It's hard to be a Satanist and an atheist.

*Points to Big Jim P*

[Big Jim P]

Not really fair as Atheist try the same thing.

I haven't heard of any supporters of state atheism

No, but their have been attempts to (for example) remove the "In God We Trust" from our currency, etc.

[NERVUN]

Not really fair as Atheist try the same thing.

I haven't heard of any supporters of state atheism

Historically, ignoring the various Communist governments, try the de-Catholiczation of France.

[Big Jim P]

It's hard to be a Satanist and an atheist.

*Points to Big Jim P*

I serve as an example.

[South Cvandia]

About everyone I know minus a few people are Fundamentalist Christians / Creationists. I am a follower of the One True Spaghetti Beast. I pray to him daily, and I know without him, we wouldn't be where we are today. But in all honest, I am an athiest, I am an advocate of Evolution. While Evolution may not be 100% definitive it does not make Creationism true, which I point out to those around me whenever the topic comes up. Religion and Evolution can go hand in hand, if people don't just go JEEEESSUSSS, and actually look at solid scientific facts (theories) and combine the 2 (intelligent design). I do not believe this, but it may help those who are religious be able to come to terms with a form of Evolution. Maybe god started the big bang?


And, I believe in a Secular government. Despite being an Athiest, I do not want to force my views on others, saying their beliefs (no matter how stupid they are) cannot be held by them. I cannot say the same for many Christian nations in the past.

[Divair]

I haven't heard of any supporters of state atheism

No, but their have been attempts to (for example) remove the "In God We Trust" from our currency, etc.

So? It's part of secularism.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Where's the arrogance in that?

Let's see here: "with us atheists preferring a moral system that is reasoned and not based on "might makes right" from a deity." All atheists believe in a reasoned morality? *heh* No, there's plenty who have done might makes right.

"When it becomes normal for people to beleive the imaginary without decent reason when they are an adult, as I care for peoples wellbeing it also concerns me."
Who appointed him as keeper of judging a reason to be decent or not? Not to mention the notion of being concerned for people's well being... it apparently doesn't extend to not coming off as arrogant, better, or at least "clearer" thinking.

Same shite, just from a different point of view, as the holier-than-thou you get from some theists.

1: Reasoned is really a poorly defined word in that context, and he said might makes right from a deity. As in, atheists' morals aren't based on stuff written in old books.
2: I'm pretty sure that by decent, he meant logically. And believing in things without evidence does affect a person's wellbeing. Wasted time, irrational fear/guilt, opposition to science and many other things.

[Dyakovo]

I haven't heard of any supporters of state atheism

No, but their have been attempts to (for example) remove the "In God We Trust" from our currency, etc.

And?

[Tlaceceyaya]

I haven't heard of any supporters of state atheism

No, but their have been attempts to (for example) remove the "In God We Trust" from our currency, etc.

That's just removing bias towards a certain group. We don't all trust in god, so why not just remove that?

[Totalise]

i think that a divine being created life, but after that left everything to its own devices