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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:55 am

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I can't imagine, I'm a laugh riot.


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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:56 am

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Inyourfaceistan wrote:Most people here (Southern Georgia, USA) are creationist, and a large portion of those that aren't still beleive in triggered evolution (God caused the big bang, started the course of evolution, ect.)

I still beleive in evolution to some degree, but usually relegated to the same genus. I'm actually a biology major and the more I learn about the complexity of everything from simple DNA replication to the natural hierarchy evolution seems to make less and less sense...

Just my opinion.

I seriously doubt it.


I suppose it depends on where he goes to university.

After all, if Liberty University can offer a range of biology majors (which it does), then a belief in creationism and studying for a biology major are not mutually exclusive.

Whether that biology degree would subsequently offer much in the way of employment in any reputable scientific organisation is perhaps open to question. But then academic compartmentalisation can reach some fairly interesting extremes; I know of at least one leading Mesoamerican archaeologist who's a devout Mormon, which would, on the surface, appear to be about in the same range of basic incompatibility.

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Postby Ovisterra » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:58 am

Yeah. I don't think I've ever actually met a creationist.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:59 am

Ovisterra wrote:Yeah. I don't think I've ever actually met a creationist.


You're lucky, because outside of NSG I tend to find arguing against people with a very strong belief in creation by a god to be both infuriating and futile.
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Postby Ovisterra » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:59 am

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I can't imagine, I'm a laugh riot.


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Postby Ovisterra » Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:00 am

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Ovisterra wrote:Yeah. I don't think I've ever actually met a creationist.


You're lucky, because outside of NSG I tend to find arguing against people with a very strong belief in creation by a god to be both infuriating and futile.


I find it fun. On the internet I'm not a troll, but in real life I troll constantly.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:01 am

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I can't imagine, I'm a laugh riot.


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Ovisterra wrote:Yeah. I don't think I've ever actually met a creationist.

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Postby East Ormania » Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:03 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:Yeah. I don't think I've ever actually met a creationist.


You're lucky, because outside of NSG I tend to find arguing against people with a very strong belief in creation by a god to be both infuriating and futile.

I believe in God, and i also believe in evolution.
Therefore i believe he was behind it all, in some ways.
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Postby The De Danann Nation » Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:03 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:Yeah. I don't think I've ever actually met a creationist.


You're lucky, because outside of NSG I tend to find arguing against people with a very strong belief in creation by a god to be both infuriating and futile.


You can say that again.
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Postby Nova Nacio » Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:05 am

I believe in God, but the second Evolution is talked about... It's best to focus on the more scientific side of things. Have faith all you want; faith does not create or invent things for people to use, nor make society better in the hands of someone willing to ust that thing, or simply that knowledge, for the greater good.

Cold. Hard. Truth, fellow Christians... Don't enforce religous noise on people who are more educated and aware of the blessings of science, particularly evolution - nah, just science in general!
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:07 am

East Ormania wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
You're lucky, because outside of NSG I tend to find arguing against people with a very strong belief in creation by a god to be both infuriating and futile.

I believe in God, and i also believe in evolution.
Therefore I believe he was behind it all, in some ways.


I'm sorry, I meant people who believe in God and deny evolution as a consequence. :P Thankfully, being British, I know very few people who hold that belief.

I have no real problem with people who find a way of balancing the two things, however much I disagree with the concept of a God.

However, creationism does not belong in biology classes, but in churches, just as evolution belongs in science and secular society and not within religious buildings where it is considered untrue.
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Postby Lekari » Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:09 am

:meh: im a christian and i keep wondering why atheists keep having huge debates with religion,i mean wouldnt we all live happily if we were allowed to believ in what we want you think were wrong then fine let us be to our 'dilusions' sorry if im rambling on.

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Postby Socialdemokraterne » Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:28 am

It's actually a topic I seldom discuss since most of the people I'm around take evolution as a scientific fact. Most of the people that I do know who haven't accepted evolution as a fact on its own have been persuaded to consider it as a possibility when coupled with the claim that the processes culminating in evolutionary changes are guided by a supreme being. As for the rest? We simply avoid the topic.

To date I have not damaged a relationship by discussing the principles of evolutionary theory. I suspect this is partly because I try to be understanding and accommodating as I discuss the topic, and probably the biggest part is that I'm willing to let it go without someone's having accepted the theory. Relationships are, to me, a lot bigger than this issue and if avoiding the topic of evolutionary theory is all it takes to preserve an otherwise good relationship, then so be it.
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Postby Typhlochactas » Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:37 am

Lekari wrote::meh: im a christian and i keep wondering why atheists keep having huge debates with religion,i mean wouldnt we all live happily if we were allowed to believ in what we want you think were wrong then fine let us be to our 'dilusions' sorry if im rambling on.


Nobody has any problems with religions that keep it to themselves. That being said, this isn't even the topic.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:40 am

The Archregimancy wrote:I think this is one of those things you're most likely to get worked up about on NSG if you live in the second-largest country in North America.


Except for some few isolated cases of nutjobs, religion here is "Yeah, Catholicism, but meh."
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Postby The USOT » Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:50 am

Lekari wrote::meh: im a christian and i keep wondering why atheists keep having huge debates with religion,i mean wouldnt we all live happily if we were allowed to believ in what we want you think were wrong then fine let us be to our 'dilusions' sorry if im rambling on.

It would be, if it wasent for the fact that we have to live with people who make descisions based off their delusions.
Morality is a big issue in this. You see many countries around the world in which religion plays a HUGE part in moral descisions, with us atheists preferring a moral system that is reasoned and not based on "might makes right" from a deity.
When it becomes normal for people to beleive the imaginary without decent reason when they are an adult, as I care for peoples wellbeing it also concerns me.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:57 am

Lekari wrote::meh: im a christian and i keep wondering why atheists keep having huge debates with religion,i mean wouldnt we all live happily if we were allowed to believ in what we want you think were wrong then fine let us be to our 'dilusions' sorry if im rambling on.


Wouldn't be a problem if certain religions would leave us in peace and allow us to believe what we want.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:30 am

Lekari wrote::meh: im a christian and i keep wondering why atheists keep having huge debates with religion,i mean wouldnt we all live happily if we were allowed to believ in what we want you think were wrong then fine let us be to our 'dilusions' sorry if im rambling on.

If religious people would stop trying to force us to live by their moral code, there would be less of a problem. Yes, I realize that not all religious do that.
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Postby PapaJacky » Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:32 am

Never met an IRL creationist either.

Mostly because my Congressional district is D+15.

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Postby Zottistan » Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:33 am

I really don't know. Most of them seem intelligent enough to be evolutionists, but I know for a fact that many of them are religious. Probably intelligent design evolutionists.
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Postby Not Safe For Work » Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:46 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:I seriously doubt it.


I suppose it depends on where he goes to university.

After all, if Liberty University can offer a range of biology majors (which it does), then a belief in creationism and studying for a biology major are not mutually exclusive.

Whether that biology degree would subsequently offer much in the way of employment in any reputable scientific organisation is perhaps open to question. But then academic compartmentalisation can reach some fairly interesting extremes;


For example - Georgia's Rep. Paul Broun - Chairman of the Science Subcommittee on Investigations and Oversight, and a qualified medical doctor - believes evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory are "lies straight from the pit of hell".
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:22 pm

Lekari wrote::meh: im a christian and i keep wondering why atheists keep having huge debates with religion,i mean wouldnt we all live happily if we were allowed to believ in what we want you think were wrong then fine let us be to our 'dilusions' sorry if im rambling on.

I'd be happy to do so, if only you and your co-religionists would stop trying to make your beliefs into laws, and would stop claiming that the myths and legends in the Bible are scientifically accurate. You promise to keep your religion out of the science classroom and I promise not to come to your church and preach about science. Are we good?
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Postby Crumlark » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:36 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Lekari wrote::meh: im a christian and i keep wondering why atheists keep having huge debates with religion,i mean wouldnt we all live happily if we were allowed to believ in what we want you think were wrong then fine let us be to our 'dilusions' sorry if im rambling on.

I'd be happy to do so, if only you and your co-religionists would stop trying to make your beliefs into laws, and would stop claiming that the myths and legends in the Bible are scientifically accurate. You promise to keep your religion out of the science classroom and I promise not to come to your church and preach about science. Are we good?

Interesting conclusion. But where can you reference that occurrence?
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:39 pm

Crumlark wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:I'd be happy to do so, if only you and your co-religionists would stop trying to make your beliefs into laws, and would stop claiming that the myths and legends in the Bible are scientifically accurate. You promise to keep your religion out of the science classroom and I promise not to come to your church and preach about science. Are we good?

Interesting conclusion. But where can you reference that occurrence?


Many Creationists try to get their bullshit taught in classrooms by law.

See my earlier post about "willful stupidity" and add that they wish to infect the rest of the population.

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Postby Minarchist Territory of Pineland » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:39 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Lekari wrote::meh: im a christian and i keep wondering why atheists keep having huge debates with religion,i mean wouldnt we all live happily if we were allowed to believ in what we want you think were wrong then fine let us be to our 'dilusions' sorry if im rambling on.

I'd be happy to do so, if only you and your co-religionists would stop trying to make your beliefs into laws, and would stop claiming that the myths and legends in the Bible are scientifically accurate. You promise to keep your religion out of the science classroom and I promise not to come to your church and preach about science. Are we good?


Implying that all religious people are crazy, preachy, rigid orthodox, authoritarian, fundamentals is a stereotype.

Just as much of a stereotype as it is for someone to say that all atheists are hopeless, evil, satanic, out of control, baby eaters.

Stereotypes work both ways.
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