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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:13 am

Crumlark wrote:I have always believed in Evolution.

I've never "believed in" evolution. Facts do not require belief.
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Postby Esternial » Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:14 am

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:Meh. I don't understand why one can't accept both, within the framework available. Bear with me here.

Both say life began in the waters, then the land, then the air. Neither has an absolute answer to 'how it all began' if you get right down to it. If one is serious about their religious beliefs, one must accept that we're here to learn, grow - gasp - adapt, and that's what evolution basically is when you get right down to it. Adapting to an ever-changing environment. One also has to accept that if there is a higher power, there is order to the universe - and that means rules/laws. This is where science comes into play. Shouldn't be any surprise that things work the way they do, in a scientifically proven manner.

I've been up half the night on short sleep, so pardon the rambling and all but jebus - it's silly for people to get as bent out of shape about all this as they do. Especially when, if looked at somewhat rationally, both sides do not necessarily need to be in contention with one another.

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If I really cared about religion, I might be persuaded to accept both if the reasonable creationists spoke more instead of their more radical cousins.

But I don't care about religion, with the opinion that contemplating about all of that is wasting precious time we should employ in things that benefit our society and planet as a whole, rather than bicker about beliefs and concepts. If we would invent all resources being spent on trying to disprove religious theories by science or vice versa, we'd probably have a fully operational fusion reactor right now and I'd be in the possession of a better laptop than this cat-warmer I'm working on right now.

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Postby Greater Mackonia » Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:54 am

I have yet to meet a person outside of NS who does not hold evolution as the only true explanation for humanity's existence.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:10 am

Most of my friends accept evolution, but we're all ivory tower liberals. I wouldn't know about Irish people at large.
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Postby SaintB » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:14 am

I openly had students in my High School that claimed evolution was hooey, even when they were shown evidence that it existed. The teacher was too professional to turn it into a religious debate but did politely inform them that they could think what they wanted but if they didn't learn about it they could kiss graduation goodbye. One of them ended up dropping out and the other shut up and eventually discovered evolution makes a lot more sense than someone sculpting the first man and woman out of clay.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:18 am

At least I know no Creationists down here in Argentina.

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Postby Hebalobia » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:31 am

I live in Northern New Jersey and I'm an engineer so the overwhelming majority of people I know accept evolution.

However allow me to say a few things. Evolution, simply meaning descent with modification, is an observable fact. Simply compare the genetics of any two siblings that are not identical twins. The Theory of Evolution, or more properly the Modern Synthesis of Evolution and Genetics, addresses the causes and implications of the fact of evolution.

When one adds cosmology, geology, botany and paleontology to evolution there comes into focus a picture of the history of life on planet earth including human life.

So it's not as simple as accepting or rejecting "evolutionism" as you put it. You reject the Theory of Evolution and you esentially reject a whole host of scientific conclusions based upon thousands upon thousands of pieces of evidence and a methodology that has repeatedly demonstrated its effectiveness.

To my mind rejecting evolution, once one understand the facts, borders on the irrational.

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:36 am

Samuraikoku wrote:At least I know no Creationists down here in Argentina.

Maybe they're allergic to you.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:37 am

Ifreann wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:At least I know no Creationists down here in Argentina.

Maybe they're allergic to you.


Nah. The main opinion about religion here is "Meh."

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Postby Crumlark » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:37 am

Ifreann wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:At least I know no Creationists down here in Argentina.

Maybe they're allergic to you.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:38 am

Ifreann wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:At least I know no Creationists down here in Argentina.

Maybe they're allergic to you.


They are still using the world map that has HERE BE DRAGONZ on it where Argentina is.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:39 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Maybe they're allergic to you.


They are still using the world map that has HERE BE DRAGONZ on it where Argentina is.


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Postby Charellia » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:47 am

Within my high school evolution is generally regarded as true since we all have to take introductory biology units in grades 9 and 10. In the wider community I am not so sure since a recent poll taken revealed that less than 50% of people in my province believe in evolution.

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Postby SaintB » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:53 am

Hebalobia wrote:I live in Northern New Jersey and I'm an engineer so the overwhelming majority of people I know accept evolution.

However allow me to say a few things. Evolution, simply meaning descent with modification, is an observable fact. Simply compare the genetics of any two siblings that are not identical twins. The Theory of Evolution, or more properly the Modern Synthesis of Evolution and Genetics, addresses the causes and implications of the fact of evolution.

When one adds cosmology, geology, botany and paleontology to evolution there comes into focus a picture of the history of life on planet earth including human life.

So it's not as simple as accepting or rejecting "evolutionism" as you put it. You reject the Theory of Evolution and you esentially reject a whole host of scientific conclusions based upon thousands upon thousands of pieces of evidence and a methodology that has repeatedly demonstrated its effectiveness.

To my mind rejecting evolution, once one understand the facts, borders on the irrational.

Thats the wonderful thing about the human brain; people can rationalize the most outrageous things and make them work for themselves - by wonderful I mean not so great btw.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:54 am

Crumlark wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Maybe they're allergic to you.

Who says everyone in General has absolutely no sense of humor?

I can't imagine, I'm a laugh riot.
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Postby Tairoth » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:59 am

religion is wrong its created wars killed milllions nature is what created humanity and nature is what is going to and still going cause humanity to evolve as well as other creatures as well as ofworld creatures

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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:02 am

Most people here (Southern Georgia, USA) are creationist, and a large portion of those that aren't still beleive in triggered evolution (God caused the big bang, started the course of evolution, ect.)

I still beleive in evolution to some degree, but usually relegated to the same genus. I'm actually a biology major and the more I learn about the complexity of everything from simple DNA replication to the natural hierarchy evolution seems to make less and less sense...

Just my opinion.


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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:03 am

Vitaphone Racing wrote:Whether you accept evolution or not; it's still true.

In essence you're asking whether or not people in your community are educated or are ignorant.


You can't really call most creationist (especially the loud, argumentative ones) ignorant. They have been presented with an abundance of evidence to support evolution, and a willing refusal to accept that evidence is not ignorance.

It is willful stupidity.
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Postby Nakarisaune » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:10 am

In my opinion, evolution is definitely right - there's too much evidence for it to all be fake.

Sadly, half of my friends are pretty strong Christians, and some protested by skipping Biology lessons while we learnt about evolution *sigh*
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Postby Anarkadia » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:11 am

Not all religions embrace and promote creationism - that is mostly a tenet of hardline Abrahamic religions. The Agganna Sutta of Buddhism is one example of some form of evolutionary theory within a religious context.

As for my community, judging from a recent local news article, it seems most people generally accept evolution at least to some degree. Even Christians who attend church every Sunday.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:29 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Evolutionism is generally accepted as fact by most of the atheists I know, and 90% of the people I know are atheists.


Evolution is accepted as fact by all of atheists and theists I know.

That likely says more about where I live, where I work, and my circle of friends and acquaintances than it does about me; but it would posit a false dichotomy to assume a necessary divide between atheist and theist opinions on evolution.


Samuraikoku wrote:At least I know no Creationists down here in Argentina.


I think this is one of those things you're most likely to get worked up about on NSG if you live in the second-largest country in North America.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:38 am

Greater Mackonia wrote:I have yet to meet a person outside of NS who does not hold evolution as the only true explanation for humanity's existence.


I know someone who's a Six-Day Creationist. :unsure:
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Postby The De Danann Nation » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:40 am

Greater Mackonia wrote:I have yet to meet a person outside of NS who does not hold evolution as the only true explanation for humanity's existence.


Good for you.I live in the Bible Belt,enough said.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:45 am

Inyourfaceistan wrote:Most people here (Southern Georgia, USA) are creationist, and a large portion of those that aren't still beleive in triggered evolution (God caused the big bang, started the course of evolution, ect.)

I still beleive in evolution to some degree, but usually relegated to the same genus. I'm actually a biology major and the more I learn about the complexity of everything from simple DNA replication to the natural hierarchy evolution seems to make less and less sense...

Just my opinion.

I seriously doubt it.
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Postby Esternial » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:50 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Inyourfaceistan wrote:Most people here (Southern Georgia, USA) are creationist, and a large portion of those that aren't still beleive in triggered evolution (God caused the big bang, started the course of evolution, ect.)

I still beleive in evolution to some degree, but usually relegated to the same genus. I'm actually a biology major and the more I learn about the complexity of everything from simple DNA replication to the natural hierarchy evolution seems to make less and less sense...

Just my opinion.

I seriously doubt it.

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