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Was it...

George HW Bush
8
1%
George W Bush
204
38%
Richard Nixon
35
6%
Ronald Reagan
43
8%
Warren G Harding
26
5%
Bill Clinton
19
3%
Grover Cleveland
5
1%
Jimmy Carter
47
9%
Thomas Jefferson
6
1%
Barack Obama (even though he's hardly done anything yet)
151
28%
 
Total votes : 544

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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Treznor » Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:26 am

Hoyteca wrote:
Letat wrote:
At least Dubya responded to crises with actions and irresponsible actions are still preferable to irresponsible inaction.


I'm inclined to disagree with that notion. At least with inaction you can at least hope someone else does something.

It's very irresponsible to expect somebody else to do your job for you, like those people who expect the federal government to do everything in the event of a crisis, like Katrina. If the government was supposed to do everything, then why the hell would there be state and local governments? Everyone else knows the government was too busy dealing with dubya.

I don't think I agree. When you don't have enough information or the information you have is bad, doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing. Dubya's problem, as I understood it, is that he never thought anything through. He simply reacted to events based on preconceived notions instead of making sure he had good information. He surrounded himself with "yes-men" and removed any dissenters from government.

The Federal Government has resources that local and state governments do not. Events like Katrina create damage that far outstrip local government resources. The Federal Government is charged with oversight into national affairs, and Katrina impacted more than just one local area. Had the Federal Government performed normally, there would have been a lot less chaos and death. That there was just demonstrates the folly of electing people to government looking to prove government is broken by deliberately breaking it.

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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Lizardiar » Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:51 am

He had his information though, He still did nothing. Doing nothing is what happened with Hitler before 1939. When you do nothing they think that you wil never commit and try to stop them.


Also, this is for all the stupid kids that ony listen to what media network tells them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyUX6wV1lBQ
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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Surote » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:56 pm

If any you think obama the worst and he hasn't done anything yall just boneheads the hate the he's in office. Give me a telegram to tell stupid my defense just sounded if your a bone head if your not just give me a telegram [nation]www.Nationstates.net/Surote [/nation]

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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Allanea » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:58 pm

What did he say?
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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Demen » Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:58 pm

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Watch the language.

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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Surote » Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:59 pm

OBAMA DID NOT AND I REPEAT DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG SO THE REST OF YOU NEED TO BE QUIET OR SHOW ME SHOW EVIDENCE THAT HE DID SOMETHING WRONG.

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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Altergo » Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:09 pm

Surote wrote:OBAMA DID NOT AND I REPEAT DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG SO THE REST OF YOU NEED TO BE QUIET OR SHOW ME SHOW EVIDENCE THAT HE DID SOMETHING WRONG.


Finally someone who understands!!!!! Give the Guy a Chance!!!!
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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Scarsaw » Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:23 pm

Surote wrote:OBAMA DID NOT AND I REPEAT DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG SO THE REST OF YOU NEED TO BE QUIET OR SHOW ME SHOW EVIDENCE THAT HE DID SOMETHING WRONG.


The Obama Deception. I'm not siding for or against the movie at the moment, since I haven't done enough looking into the issue, but it does show some of the evidence that you're looking for and makes you think a bit about the man.

...on another topic, I am sad that James Madison isn't up there. I can't quite look past him for his decision to invade Canada just because it was seen as an easy target and a way to fulfill the foolish manifest destiny the United States held. I also can't look past his economy wrecking idea that the early United States didn't need a mint or a national bank. Thank god his other fault of trying to invade Canada changed his mind, as he found out with the War of 1812, that it was difficult to run a war without a national bank.
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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Treznor » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:04 pm

Altergo wrote:
Surote wrote:OBAMA DID NOT AND I REPEAT DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG SO THE REST OF YOU NEED TO BE QUIET OR SHOW ME SHOW EVIDENCE THAT HE DID SOMETHING WRONG.


Finally someone who understands!!!!! Give the Guy a Chance!!!!

We are. He's doing some things right. He's doing other things horribly wrong. Responses to the economy and environment are good. Humility before the international community is excellent. Reaching out to Muslim nations to convince them we are not the enemy is essential.

The continuation of the Bush administration's policy of denying civil rights? Very very bad. So he earns some cheers, but also some very loud jeers.

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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Vampire Knight Zero » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:07 pm

I'm English, but I think Obama has a good chance to make an impression. I hope he does well! ^^
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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Milks Empire » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:08 pm

Treznor wrote:
Altergo wrote:
Surote wrote:OBAMA DID NOT AND I REPEAT DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG SO THE REST OF YOU NEED TO BE QUIET OR SHOW ME SHOW EVIDENCE THAT HE DID SOMETHING WRONG.


Finally someone who understands!!!!! Give the Guy a Chance!!!!

We are. He's doing some things right. He's doing other things horribly wrong. Responses to the economy and environment are good. Humility before the international community is excellent. Reaching out to Muslim nations to convince them we are not the enemy is essential.

The continuation of the Bush administration's policy of denying civil rights? Very very bad. So he earns some cheers, but also some very loud jeers.

I also see him kowtowing to the right wing way too much.

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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Treznor » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:13 pm

Milks Empire wrote:
Treznor wrote:
Altergo wrote:Finally someone who understands!!!!! Give the Guy a Chance!!!!

We are. He's doing some things right. He's doing other things horribly wrong. Responses to the economy and environment are good. Humility before the international community is excellent. Reaching out to Muslim nations to convince them we are not the enemy is essential.

The continuation of the Bush administration's policy of denying civil rights? Very very bad. So he earns some cheers, but also some very loud jeers.

I also see him kowtowing to the right wing way too much.

This is an excellent point. This needs to stop.

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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Zylbedossnia » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:14 pm

Buchanan he is one of the causes of the American Civil War he sat around for four years doing nothing while the country rotted

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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Milks Empire » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:15 pm

Zylbedossnia wrote:Buchanan he is one of the causes of the American Civil War he sat around for four years doing nothing while the country rotted

Cut Buchanan some slack. George Washington would have had a difficult time dealing with the secession crisis. Scott v. Sanford didn't help matters either.

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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Vicious Storms » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:34 pm

Colonic Immigration wrote:Hasn't this been done already?

yep

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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby JarVik » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:40 pm

Seriously? Barack is a damn close 2nd even though we've got less than 6months to judge him by?
Wow fickle crowd I guess.
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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Cameroi » Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:41 pm

the worst isn't so much any particular one, so much as that there are so many more bad then good ones to pick from. of course this tends to go for political leaders generally, owing to the whole nature of factors involved in becoming and remaining one.

libertarians often use this argument to further their own pretensions, which they are only able to do by deliberately ignoring and denying that the same is even more true of the leadership of economic interests.
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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Surote » Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:45 pm

Scarsaw wrote:
Surote wrote:OBAMA DID NOT AND I REPEAT DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG SO THE REST OF YOU NEED TO BE QUIET OR SHOW ME SHOW EVIDENCE THAT HE DID SOMETHING WRONG.


The Obama Deception. I'm not siding for or against the movie at the moment, since I haven't done enough looking into the issue, but it does show some of the evidence that you're looking for and makes you think a bit about the man.

...on another topic, I am sad that James Madison isn't up there. I can't quite look past him for his decision to invade Canada just because it was seen as an easy target and a way to fulfill the foolish manifest destiny the United States held. I also can't look past his economy wrecking idea that the early United States didn't need a mint or a national bank. Thank god his other fault of trying to invade Canada changed his mind, as he found out with the War of 1812, that it was difficult to run a war without a national bank.


Who gives a fuck about what one film says if obama wanted to destroy america he would have done it by now give me some more evidence

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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Scarsaw » Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:46 pm

Surote wrote:Who gives a fuck about what one film says if obama wanted to destroy america he would have done it by now give me some more evidence


You asked for some evidence, I gave you some. I don't see why I need to give you more.
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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Grave_n_idle » Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:48 pm

Scarsaw wrote:
Surote wrote:Who gives a fuck about what one film says if obama wanted to destroy america he would have done it by now give me some more evidence


You asked for some evidence, I gave you some. I don't see why I need to give you more.


This is a common musunderstanding.

You don't NEED to provide more evidence.

But, if you want to educate people to your point of view, THEY might want more.

So, saying "I don't see why I need to" is basically admitting "it's too much trouble to actually prove..."
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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Scarsaw » Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:52 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:This is a common musunderstanding.

You don't NEED to provide more evidence.

But, if you want to educate people to your point of view, THEY might want more.

So, saying "I don't see why I need to" is basically admitting "it's too much trouble to actually prove..."


The issue is that I'm not wanting to educate them in my point of view, since in this situation, I don't really care either way about Obama. I find the video interesting as it does bring up some interesting points against the new president. Just when someone demands to know why some people don't like Obama, and I show them a video that addresses several reasons, I don't understand why I need to give more.
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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Grave_n_idle » Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:00 pm

Scarsaw wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:This is a common musunderstanding.

You don't NEED to provide more evidence.

But, if you want to educate people to your point of view, THEY might want more.

So, saying "I don't see why I need to" is basically admitting "it's too much trouble to actually prove..."


The issue is that I'm not wanting to educate them in my point of view, since in this situation, I don't really care either way about Obama. I find the video interesting as it does bring up some interesting points against the new president. Just when someone demands to know why some people don't like Obama, and I show them a video that addresses several reasons, I don't understand why I need to give more.


You don't 'need' to.

They'll ask you... you'll show them that nonsense, and they'll discount you as a nut.

The only 'need' for more evidence, is for you - if you don't want to be considered a nut.
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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Surote » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:38 am

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Scarsaw wrote:
Surote wrote:Who gives a fuck about what one film says if obama wanted to destroy america he would have done it by now give me some more evidence


You asked for some evidence, I gave you some. I don't see why I need to give you more.


This is a common musunderstanding.

You don't NEED to provide more evidence.

But, if you want to educate people to your point of view, THEY might want more.

So, saying "I don't see why I need to" is basically admitting "it's too much trouble to actually prove..."


Do you really believe in what he says who ever made that obama deceptionis either trying to tear the country apart or is just close-minded

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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby South Lorenya » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:47 am

I, for one, am dismayed that a third of NSG is so bigoted they think black skin automatically qualifies Obama as "worst president ever".

And before you respond "o but obama iz honestly a werse democrat than clinton and carter and grover cleveland!!!!!11111oneoneone" please keep in mind that you're not fooling anyone.
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Re: The Worst President of America

Postby Valipac » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:04 am

South Lorenya wrote:I, for one, am dismayed that a third of NSG is so bigoted they think black skin automatically qualifies Obama as "worst president ever".

And before you respond "o but obama iz honestly a werse democrat than clinton and carter and grover cleveland!!!!!11111oneoneone" please keep in mind that you're not fooling anyone.

Because obviously that is why so many people voted for Obama. Because he's black. Yep, that's why I did. :palm:
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