Is USA the Greatest nation in the World???

[North California]

Back off punk. I never said anything bad. You said that Canadians and Europeans were American citizens.

No, dude. I said Canada and Europe take care of their citizens better than America.

Yeah, it's such a great country when you can't even fucking take care of your own citizens like Canadians or Europeans.

It sounded like you were calling Canadians and Europeans American citizens, and I was confused by your comments because I was thinking "why would it be America's job to look after a bunch of Canadians?"

[Zaras]

I think it's disgusting and immoral to think like a Randroid.

Whatever. I for one don't like people benefiting from my work. I don't care if some random guy in California gets healthcare.

Empathy. You lacks it.

Don't see how that is directly related, but yes.

I could guess by the smug, egotistical tone of your posts and your ignorance of how public services work and why they're important.

both of which are terrible programs

No they're not, and you're wrong if you think they are.

New Orleans is a piss hole, everyone knows that.

Somehow I'd imagine the fact that the Netherlands can out-engineer you to at least prompt some soul-searching about dialing down the annoying MURIKA FUCK YEAH dick-waving since there's clearly statistical reasons you're not the best country in the world.

[Zaras]

And what if they lack the means to provide themselves with it?

Then they obviously deserve their situation because they fucked up somewhere.

Ah, there's nothing I fucking hate more than the Just World syndrome.

Have fun fucking up somewhere and ending up unemployed, then maybe you'll see what it feels like and not be so callous about it.

[Zaras]

It sounded like you were calling Canadians and Europeans American citizens, and I was confused by your comments because I was thinking "why would it be America's job to look after a bunch of Canadians?"

I have no idea how you'd end up with that confusion, honestly. Thought the post was quite clear.

[Arumdaum]

Because it's disgusting and immoral to not look after your citizens. You're the most powerful state in the world and you can't give a shit about your own citizens?

Also, anyone who things the US government could run a full fledged national health care system has obviously never lived in the US.

Ooh, so let's have a list of some people who have never lived in the US

My family (all American citizens)
Theodore Roosevelt
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Harry S Truman
Hilllary Clinton
Bill Clinton
Ted Kennedy

And millions of other Americans...

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

And what if they lack the means to provide themselves with it?

Lemme guess: we're gonna get a whiny lecture about how they should pull 'emselves up by their bootstraps and shit, delievered by a guy who doesn't realise just how much he has the government to thank for.

Ah yes, I have to thank the government for so much, like the College they didn't help me to pay for, or the healthcare they never provided me, or the welfare I never used, or the Social Security which is redundant since I am capable of actually saving for retirement. Besides roads(which are generally shit) and public school (which are generally shit) I don't rely on many government programs. Perhaps you could inform me what I benefit from.

[Capitalist America]

Yeah, I know America ain't the greatest. I recognize that. But it doesn't change the fact that I love my country. I'm proud that I'm American. I'd die for my country. The Founding Fathers are like heroes to me.


Yet, I still know America is not the greatest. In fact, I don't believe that there is a "greatest nation". Every country has good and bad. I'm sure that if you looked close enough, you could find a bad thing in Norway, and a good thing in North Korea.


But, if someone were to say I'm foolish for being patriotic or that their nation is better than mine, you better believe I'm going to get fucking pissed. However, I'd expect someone else to get pissed too if I said that they are foolish for being proud of their nation and that my nation is better.

No, America is not the greatest, yet it is my home, and I sure as fucking hell love being an American.

[The Hattian Empire]

I've traveled alot, and I've been hearing that Canada or the UK or Japan could be the greatest nation. I've been there. When we compare them we must remember there are several factors. As the Greatest Military Power, the US definitely is the greatest. The US is and has been the best at everything, army, special forces, Navy, Airforce. Canada has had nothing for a long time, the UK was the greatest at on its Navy. The US has all branches. UK does have a good healthcare system, so does Canada. To be the greatest you must fulfill many factors from living standards, education, healthcare, life spans, culture, military etc. Though the US is not the greatest in education or healthcare, etc, it is in the top of all of those brackets. No other nation is that close in all categories, plus the US has the best technology right beside Japan, the best military, the best economy, etc.

The US could be considered the most successful and or "greatest" nation in the world

Though lets not get into the factor of the "greatest ever." Thats just messy. Someday when details are lost, humans will look back and make their argument that the US is and was the greatest, just like how we say Rome or England were the greatest civilizations

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Then they obviously deserve their situation because they fucked up somewhere.

Ah, there's nothing I fucking hate more than the Just World syndrome.

Have fun fucking up somewhere and ending up unemployed, then maybe you'll see what it feels like and not be so callous about it.

I will still be as callous about it because unlike some people I have some morals (not many, but I stick to the few I have). If you end up in prison you deserve your shitty fate, if you drop out of high school you deserve your shitty fate, if you are too lazy to do well in school you deserve your shitty fate. Granted, if the government is willing to provide my housing, healthcare, food, and everything else I could want maybe I should just drop out of college and mooch off the government, I mean if I already have everything I need, why waste effort working?

[Arumdaum]

Lemme guess: we're gonna get a whiny lecture about how they should pull 'emselves up by their bootstraps and shit, delievered by a guy who doesn't realise just how much he has the government to thank for.

Ah yes, I have to thank the government for so much, like the College they didn't help me to pay for, or the healthcare they never provided me, or the welfare I never used, or the Social Security which is redundant since I am capable of actually saving for retirement. Besides roads(which are generally shit) and public school (which are generally shit) I don't rely on many government programs. Perhaps you could inform me what I benefit from.

Sure!

If we didn't have roads, you wouldn't be able to drive anywhere, and wouldn't able to find anyplace that you're going to. You'd just be lost.

If we didn't have public schools, you'd have had to pay for all of your education. The richer you are, the better your education. How would your education have been? Would you even have gotten an education?

"This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US department of energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the national weather service of the national oceanographic and atmospheric administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the national aeronautics and space administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US department of agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which had been determined as safe by the food and drug administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the national institute of standards and technology and the US naval observatory, I get into my national highway traffic safety administration approved auto mobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the environmental protection agency, using legal tender issued by the federal reserve bank. On the way out the door, I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US postal service and drop the kids off at the public school.

After work, I drive my NHSTA car back to the DOT roads, to the house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log on to the internet which was developed by the defence advanced research projects administration and post on freerepublic.com and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right."

[The Hattian Empire]

Yeah, I know America ain't the greatest. I recognize that. But it doesn't change the fact that I love my country. I'm proud that I'm American. I'd die for my country. The Founding Fathers are like heroes to me.


Yet, I still know America is not the greatest. In fact, I don't believe that there is a "greatest nation". Every country has good and bad. I'm sure that if you looked close enough, you could find a bad thing in Norway, and a good thing in North Korea.


But, if someone were to say I'm foolish for being patriotic or that their nation is better than mine, you better believe I'm going to get fucking pissed. However, I'd expect someone else to get pissed too if I said that they are foolish for being proud of their nation and that my nation is better.

No, America is not the greatest, yet it is my home, and I sure as fucking hell love being an American.

I can support this. Fair statement, like the patriotism

[Zaras]

Lemme guess: we're gonna get a whiny lecture about how they should pull 'emselves up by their bootstraps and shit, delievered by a guy who doesn't realise just how much he has the government to thank for.

Ah yes, I have to thank the government for so much, like the College they didn't help me to pay for, or the healthcare they never provided me, or the welfare I never used, or the Social Security which is redundant since I am capable of actually saving for retirement. Besides roads(which are generally shit) and public school (which are generally shit) I don't rely on many government programs. Perhaps you could inform me what I benefit from.

Get up in the morning, brush teeth with toothpaste approved by the government to not be hazardous, drive to work on roads built by the government, buy food on way back home that's been approved by the government to not be dangerous to your health, breathe air that isn't ridiculously polluted, drink safe water, sit down and complain about how government sucks on an internet that started as a government program run on a computer that was developed thanks to government funding, stupidly neglect the fact that public schools are only shit because some people are gigantic fucking idiots and they prefer paying low taxes to having good government services, etc.

"This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US department of energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the national weather service of the national oceanographic and atmospheric administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the national aeronautics and space administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US department of agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which had been determined as safe by the food and drug administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the national institute of standards and technology and the US naval observatory, I get into my national highway traffic safety administration approved auto mobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the environmental protection agency, using legal tender issued by the federal reserve bank. On the way out the door, I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US postal service and drop the kids off at the public school.

After work, I drive my NHSTA car back to the DOT roads, to the house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log on to the internet which was developed by the defence advanced research projects administration and post on freerepublic.com and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right."

^ Exactly this, dude. Stop bragging stupidly about how you don't rely on the government, 'cos it ain't true.

Americans definitely could use Europe's enlightenment about social democracy and democratic socialism.

[Arumdaum]

Ah, there's nothing I fucking hate more than the Just World syndrome.

Have fun fucking up somewhere and ending up unemployed, then maybe you'll see what it feels like and not be so callous about it.

I will still be as callous about it because unlike some people I have some morals (not many, but I stick to the few I have). If you end up in prison you deserve your shitty fate, if you drop out of high school you deserve your shitty fate, if you are too lazy to do well in school you deserve your shitty fate. Granted, if the government is willing to provide my housing, healthcare, food, and everything else I could want maybe I should just drop out of college and mooch off the government, I mean if I already have everything I need, why waste effort working?

This includes my formerly upper class and powerful landowning family in North Korea, right?

[Yankee Empire]

Ah yes, I have to thank the government for so much, like the College they didn't help me to pay for, or the healthcare they never provided me, or the welfare I never used, or the Social Security which is redundant since I am capable of actually saving for retirement. Besides roads(which are generally shit) and public school (which are generally shit) I don't rely on many government programs. Perhaps you could inform me what I benefit from.

Sure!

If we didn't have roads, you wouldn't be able to drive anywhere, and wouldn't able to find anyplace that you're going to. You'd just be lost.

If we didn't have public schools, you'd have had to pay for all of your education. The richer you are, the better your education. How would your education have been?

"This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US department of energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the national weather service of the national oceanographic and atmospheric administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the national aeronautics and space administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US department of agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which had been determined as safe by the food and drug administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the national institute of standards and technology and the US naval observatory, I get into my national highway traffic safety administration approved auto mobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the environmental protection agency, using legal tender issued by the federal reserve bank. On the way out the door, I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US postal service and drop the kids off at the public school.

After work, I drive my NHSTA car back to the DOT roads, to the house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log on to the internet which was developed by the defence advanced research projects administration and post on freerepublic.com and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right."

[Zaras]

I will still be as callous about it because unlike some people I have some morals.

Being considerate of fellow humans is apparently not one of them. Ergo, not much of a morality.

[Zaras]

I mean if I already have everything I need, why waste effort working?

God that is such a fucking stupid argument I don't even need to point out how fucking stupid it is.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Ah yes, I have to thank the government for so much, like the College they didn't help me to pay for, or the healthcare they never provided me, or the welfare I never used, or the Social Security which is redundant since I am capable of actually saving for retirement. Besides roads(which are generally shit) and public school (which are generally shit) I don't rely on many government programs. Perhaps you could inform me what I benefit from.

Get up in the morning, brush teeth with toothpaste approved by the government to not be hazardous, drive to work on roads built by the government, buy food on way back home that's been approved by the government to not be dangerous to your health, breathe air that isn't ridiculously polluted, drink safe water, sit down and complain about how government sucks on an internet that started as a government program run on a computer that was developed thanks to government funding, stupidly neglect the fact that public schools are only shit because some people are gigantic fucking idiots and they prefer paying low taxes to having good government services, etc.

And those are anything like Social Security, Medicaid, or Medicare? I am not some libertardian, I understand that some amount of government intervention is needed, but the government doesn't need to intervene in what one should care for themselves. I for one am capable of saving for retirement on my own (have been saving since before I graduated high school), I for one am capable of paying for my own healthcare (technically my work provides it, but the point is the same), I for one am capable of paying for my own housing and food. I don't see why one should be expected to sit around and let someone else pay it.

Hell even if you earn half the average hourly wage you could still rake in 38K a year.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

I mean if I already have everything I need, why waste effort working?

God that is such a fucking stupid argument I don't even need to point out how fucking stupid it is.

Why don't you? I see no problem with it, if someone else if going to foot the bill, why not just sit around?

[Astrolinium]

And what if they lack the means to provide themselves with it?

Then they obviously deserve their situation because they fucked up somewhere.

Or, you know, their parents did.
Or they did everything right but still got fucked because people are jackasses.

Life is cruel; we don't have to be.

[Republican America]

America is the best, and if you disagree, you must a terrorist.

[Dragonia Re Xzua]

America...... the greatest nation in the world in general? Those two statements shouldn't even be in the same paragraph, let alone as a single statement. America has too many flaws, oversized military, crappy foreign policies, deflated economy, etc. to hold the title of Greatest Nation in the World. Who might hold the title? Well in an overall sense, no one. In a specialized field? China for it's economy. America (ironically for the earier statement) for it's military. Britain for it's..... uh..... what's Britain great for, again, other than their 'food'?

[Zaras]

I am not some libertardian, I understand that some amount of government intervention is needed, but the government doesn't need to intervene in what one should care for themselves. I for one am capable of saving for retirement on my own (have been saving since before I graduated high school), I for one am capable of paying for my own healthcare (technically my work provides it, but the point is the same), I for one am capable of paying for my own housing and food.

You still have that stupid view that just because YOU can take of yourself, that automatically means nobody else ever needs government help. Fuck dat shit.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Then they obviously deserve their situation because they fucked up somewhere.

Or, you know, their parents did.
Or they did everything right but still got fucked because people are jackasses.

Life is cruel; we don't have to be.

Your parents fucking up doesn't mean that you have to be a fuck-up too. If you were born poor you can still go to college, just don't be a retard that graduates with a 2.4 GPA so you can get government assistance, better yet, try to find an employer that will help pay for college.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

I am not some libertardian, I understand that some amount of government intervention is needed, but the government doesn't need to intervene in what one should care for themselves. I for one am capable of saving for retirement on my own (have been saving since before I graduated high school), I for one am capable of paying for my own healthcare (technically my work provides it, but the point is the same), I for one am capable of paying for my own housing and food.

You still have that stupid view that just because YOU can take of yourself, that automatically means nobody else ever needs government help. Fuck dat shit.

If I am capable of paying for myself they should too. I hold people to my own standards, if you don't reach my standards you deserve no pity for your situation.

[Astrolinium]

Or, you know, their parents did.
Or they did everything right but still got fucked because people are jackasses.

Life is cruel; we don't have to be.

Your parents fucking up doesn't mean that you have to be a fuck-up too. If you were born poor you can still go to college, just don't be a retard that graduates with a 2.4 GPA so you can get government assistance, better yet, try to find an employer that will help pay for college.

And if you can't? If you try your darnedest but simply cannot because - due to your parents fucking up - you simply do not have access to the opportunities needed to make something great out of yourself? If you were meant to be the next Beethoven but could never afford a piano growing up?