Cyprus Dispute

[Baltenstein]

Turkey would probably never agree with any plans that call for a complete withdrawal of its armed forces from Cypriot soil - one of the key conditions requested by the Greek Cypriot side. For that reason alone, talks about reconciliation and reunification are pretty futile.

[Risottia]

There's no solution some 500000 troops couldn't impose.

Of course you need half a million troops to actually do that? How do you propose to get that many?

We promise them WHOLE TURKEY and then wriggle out of it by saying it was meant to be read as all-lowercaps.

[Costa Alegria]

I'm sure, after criticizing Turkey's settlement policies over Northern Cyprus, you'll visit Israel/Palestine thread and show your solidarity with the actions of the Israeli government concerning Gaza.

I've repeatedly stated I've never supported the Israeli actions in Gaza or the West Bank. I've also repeatedly said that I also don't support the government in Gaza, simply because I dislike Islamists in government.

Now, seeing as there are no Israelis actually living in Gaza (but hundreds of thousands of illegal settlers in the West Bank), you should at least aim to get your facts straight (for once) when making a comparison.

Don't even cry for my labelling you as a Turk-hater since you accuse me of ultra-nationalism although I am not. What you do not want done to yourself, do not do to others.

Right. Look, you are what you are and no one who isn't a nationalist would justify the actions of the Turkish government. You do and you also label people who disagree otherwise as someone who obviously hates the Turkish people and nation, because everyone with white skin does, so that obviously makes you some form of nationalist.

When you justify ethnic cleansing by your government and decry ethnic cleansing committed by another, you are a nationalist. It's that obvious.

[Fedeledland]

Don't even cry for my labelling you as a Turk-hater since you accuse me of ultra-nationalism although I am not. What you do not want done to yourself, do not do to others.

This is not the first time you are the one who are attacking someone and then defending what the other side did (discussions over the Armenian Genocide saying "All Greeks hate us and they are evil and steal our land" in which people respond "Turks stole Greek land too" and you immediatly label them as TURKHATERS FAJIOFGADHGOURSHGF come to mind). Really, this is more than a bit hypocritical.

[Estruia]

Personally, I think Cyprus should just be assimilated into whichever foreign state has the strength to take it.

[Camelza]

OP forgot the part where TURKEY INVADED CYPRUS.

Turks are bad people who do bad things, BADLY.

Turks aren't "bad people",there is no such thing as "bad people" ...bad governmental decisions is what you mean.

[Ircona]

No, it doesn't.

Why?
It's not like every single Turkish-speaking Cypriot personally partecipated in attacks or robberies against the Greek-speakers. And sure some of them had to move to avoid generalized vendettas.

Sorry, I misread the posts. I thought you and Yanitza were saying the Turkish Cypriots shouldn't be refunded for lost properties.

[Kemalist]

Right. Look, you are what you are and no one who isn't a nationalist would justify the actions of the Turkish government. You do and you also label people who disagree otherwise as someone who obviously hates the Turkish people and nation, because everyone with white skin does, so that obviously makes you some form of nationalist.

When you justify ethnic cleansing by your government and decry ethnic cleansing committed by another, you are a nationalist. It's that obvious.

So, you complain about my allegedly labelling you as a hater because you just '' don't disagree '' with me, and accuse anybody who agrees with some policies of the Turkish government of nationalism. Although I said many times, again, I'm a strong dissident of the current government under Erdogan, who I think should be stood trial. So, there is no point for me to call you a Turk-hater just because you dislike Erdogan government, but, I have some of your posts in memory, especially from your old account, generalizing the whole Turkish people in a bad-intentioned way.

Oh, well, I know a Serbian member here who is interested in history (in a stereotypical point of view, Serbians usually hate Turks because of Ottoman time), but apparently he opposes the claims that the event was a '' genocide ''. You have no right to label people as ultra-nationalist just because they do not agree with that term. Same goes for Cyprus. Turkey used its right from the Treaty of Guarantee, which also Greece, Cyprus and UK signed. It's not like Turkey instantly got mad and decided to invade Cyprus just for fun. There is a long-term civil violence, extermination politics and a military take-over background in the island.

If I was a blinded that I would support any Turkish expansionist action, I would not oppose our government's pro-war policies toward Syria. Most of patriots, including me, started campaigns and organized rallies to say no to war with Syria. The annexation of a huge part of Syrian territories would be much beneficial for my country rather than a small piece of a small island that is hardly seen on the map. And I don't even support the annexation, I just want fair laws in the island, but as long as Greeks maintain such an attitude that they should have the full authority, I want Turkish Cypriots to govern themselves. I don't think it's an ultra-nationalist point of view.

[Costa Alegria]

So, you complain about my allegedly labelling you as a hater because you just '' don't disagree '' with me, and accuse anybody who agrees with some policies of the Turkish government of nationalism.

But you haven't disagreed with these acts of the government in Northern Cyprus. You haven't realised the hypocrisy of your support and you always label people who disagree with you as Turk haters.

I don't hate Turks. I don't hate the Turkish people, culture, language, food etc.

Generalizing the whole Turkish people in a bad-intentioned way.

When did I ever generalize the Turkish people? I do remember you mistakenly trying to claim all of Sweden is racist. That was a generalization of a people in if there ever was one.

You have no right to label people as ultra-nationalist just because they do not agree with that term.

And that gives you the right to label people as racist and Turk haters simply because I disagree on what should be done about Northern Cyprus and point out your ridiculously hypocritical views?

And when you defend hypocritical actions of your government and label anyone who disagrees as a Turk hater or a racist or a white supremacist, you are a nationalist.

There is a long-term civil violence, extermination politics and a military take-over background in the island.

Whose recent author was the Turkish government. Unless you want to debate the definition of ethnic cleansing.

If I was a blinded that I would support any Turkish expansionist action, I would not oppose our government's pro-war policies toward Syria.

Turkey has no territorial interests in Syria. There are no substantial populations of Turkish people in Syria. Can't say the same thing about Northern Cyprus now can we?

I just want fair laws in the island, but as long as Greeks maintain such an attitude that they should have the full authority, I want Turkish Cypriots to govern themselves. I don't think it's an ultra-nationalist point of view.

So by claiming Turkish innocence and blaming all the problems on "those evil Greeks" essentially, does not make you a nationalist? What does all the name calling and blind defence of ethnic cleansing make you?

[Yanitza]

Oh, well, I know a Serbian member here who is interested in history (in a stereotypical point of view, Serbians usually hate Turks because of Ottoman time), but apparently he opposes the claims that the event was a '' genocide ''. You have no right to label people as ultra-nationalist just because they do not agree with that term. Same goes for Cyprus. Turkey used its right from the Treaty of Guarantee, which also Greece, Cyprus and UK signed. It's not like Turkey instantly got mad and decided to invade Cyprus just for fun. There is a long-term civil violence, extermination politics and a military take-over background in the island.

What Turkey did not have the right to do was to then ethnically cleanse half the island of it’s ethnic majority, just for the their own sakes, they should have immedianlty called in a UN peacekeeping mission instead of deciding he fate of thousands of non turks by themselves.
Yes their was long term civil violence, but the way you paint it, it was the fault entirey of the all the Greek Cypriots. That is false, a majority of the problem was caused by ultra nationslits on both sides, as well as governmental issues, one of those being the fact that the Turkish Cypriots were a privileged minority on Cyprus. They wanted 50% power, while making up 18%. It was no0t genocide, however it was definitely ethnic cleansing.

I just want fair laws in the island, but as long as Greeks maintain such an attitude that they should have the full authority, I want Turkish Cypriots to govern themselves. I don't think it's an ultra-nationalist point of view

No this is bullshit. The Greek attitude? Yes there were a number of Greeks who wanted were anti Turkish and wanted Greek superiority. But that was not the majority which you are claiming, Turks wanted to have more power then was fair for their population, that’s called an ethnocracy not a democracy. Maybe if the Turkish community hadn’t been so stubborn and shooting down every legislation by the government, the situation could’ve been avoided. More importantly, if over 80% of the population is in favour of Enosis, why should the the minority get their way?