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What's your opinion regarding the debate on Cyprus ?

Two-state solution
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United federal state
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North to Turkey, South to Greece
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East Ormania
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Postby East Ormania » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:06 am

Quintium wrote:
East Ormania wrote:EU is having financial problems, and i heard that greece is having a crisis.


Yes, but even Greece is not quite at a wealth level comparable to Turkey yet.
Their economy has taken a blow, but Turkey's has a much lower base value.

And are having problems with Syria at the same time.
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Postby Kemalist » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:06 am

70 Ophiuchi wrote:Because the part they have actual control over isn't too far off that.


But the Republic of Cyprus officially claims to be the only authority of the whole island, which would include a significant Turkish population. But it shows how they are sincere about this claim, by ignoring the existence of the Turkish population. I would have no objection if they officially named themselves '' The Greek Republic of Southern Cyprus '' or something and gave up their claims over the Northern part with a Turkish Cypriot majority. For example, the sovereign state on the North is officially named '' The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus '', which has no claim over the South. This is much more reasonable.
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Postby CTALNH » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:50 am

Were is the option of the committing genocide the other side?
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:51 am

CTALNH wrote:Were is the option of the committing genocide the other side?

That's not an option.
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Postby Polkopia » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:51 am

Everyone always says "Cyprus is Greek" or "Cyprus is Turkish!" but why can't Cyprus be... Cypriot?

Just an idea... :?
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Postby CTALNH » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:52 am

Ifreann wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Were is the option of the committing genocide the other side?

That's not an option.

Right now yes on the long run.....
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby Quintium » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:53 am

Kemalist wrote:But the Republic of Cyprus officially claims to be the only authority of the whole island, which would include a significant Turkish population. But it shows how they are sincere about this claim, by ignoring the existence of the Turkish population. I would have no objection if they officially named themselves ''The Greek Republic of Southern Cyprus '' or something and gave up their claims over the Northern part with a Turkish Cypriot majority. For example, the sovereign state on the North is officially named ''The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus '', which has no claim over the South. This is much more reasonable.


That's one of the two possible solutions, yes. They give the towns with a Turkish majority away to whoever wants to have them, and they govern themselves. The ideal solution for any cultural or ethnic conflict - give different ethnic groups self rule and don't Yugoslavia all over the place until everyone starts killing each other again..
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:53 am

Give it over to Britain, and we'll integrate it into the Empire when the time comes.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:53 am

CTALNH wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That's not an option.

Right now yes on the long run.....

Not even in the long run.
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Postby CTALNH » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:54 am

Polkopia wrote:Everyone always says "Cyprus is Greek" or "Cyprus is Turkish!" but why can't Cyprus be... Cypriot?

Just an idea... :?

Cypriots aren't a separate ethnicity!
Half of them are Greeks and half of them Turks/Colonists from Anatolia
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby CTALNH » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:55 am

Ifreann wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Right now yes on the long run.....

Not even in the long run.

You really don't like realism that screws with your idealism do you! :)
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:55 am

CTALNH wrote:
Polkopia wrote:Everyone always says "Cyprus is Greek" or "Cyprus is Turkish!" but why can't Cyprus be... Cypriot?

Just an idea... :?

Cypriots aren't a separate ethnicity!
Half of them are Greeks and half of them Turks/Colonists from Anatolia

Who said they were a separate ethnicity?
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Postby Alassus » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:55 am

How about you get your army bases out the fuck of my country? Cyprus has always been Greek, Turkish-Cypriots are a minority, they came as invaders in the medieval times and again as invaders in 1974. You want equality? Well, shove that equality up your ass.

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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:56 am

Neither Greece or Turkey want to rule Cyprus :eyebrow:
They support two sides of Cyprus though.
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Postby CTALNH » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:56 am

Ifreann wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Cypriots aren't a separate ethnicity!
Half of them are Greeks and half of them Turks/Colonists from Anatolia

Who said they were a separate ethnicity?

Wasn't that what he meant?
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby East Ormania » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:56 am

Polkopia wrote:Everyone always says "Cyprus is Greek" or "Cyprus is Turkish!" but why can't Cyprus be... Cypriot?

Just an idea... :?

It's what i've been trying to say.
GO CYPRUS!
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Postby CTALNH » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:57 am

East Ormania wrote:
Polkopia wrote:Everyone always says "Cyprus is Greek" or "Cyprus is Turkish!" but why can't Cyprus be... Cypriot?

Just an idea... :?

It's what i've been trying to say.
GO CYPRUS!

What?
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:58 am

Anyway, just one Cyprus.
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Postby Kemalist » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:58 am

Alassus wrote:How about you get your army bases out the fuck of my country? Cyprus has always been Greek, Turkish-Cypriots are a minority, they came as invaders in the medieval times and again as invaders in 1974. You want equality? Well, shove that equality up your ass.


And the international community blames Turkey for being an obstacle to the solution in the island...
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Postby Kemalist » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:59 am

CTALNH wrote:
Polkopia wrote:Everyone always says "Cyprus is Greek" or "Cyprus is Turkish!" but why can't Cyprus be... Cypriot?

Just an idea... :?

Cypriots aren't a separate ethnicity!
Half of them are Greeks and half of them Turks/Colonists from Anatolia


Colonists ? oh, that's a pretty biased description. Turks have been there for 600 years. Even before the America got under European colonists' hegemony.
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Postby East Ormania » Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:00 am

CTALNH wrote:
East Ormania wrote:It's what i've been trying to say.
GO CYPRUS!

What?

I defend a Cyprus in its integrity, not a british colony, nor a greek island, nor a divided state.
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Postby Divair » Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:01 am

Give it to Canada.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:01 am

Northern Cyprus is not a real country. I refuse to recognize its existence. Give its territory back to Cyprus.

That is all. 8)
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Postby CTALNH » Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:02 am

Kemalist wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Cypriots aren't a separate ethnicity!
Half of them are Greeks and half of them Turks/Colonists from Anatolia


Colonists ? oh, that's a pretty biased description. Turks have been there for 600 years. Even before the America got under European colonists' hegemony.

No I mean the ones that came after the secession/invasion of the Northern state that why I said Turks/Colonists
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