Bullying can be good, especially "Anti-gay" bullying

[Samuraikoku]

I am sorry, but I must go now. I have a comparative essay due in my economics class on the Austrian School VS the Chicago School. Take care and God Bless All of You.

[Exogenous Imperium]

That only works if people are convinced that the dead cannot be punished.

Good luck trying to punish a dead person.

Well I said if people were convinced about people being punished.

A very secular society could try freezing the dead suicides for the purposes of future resurrection so the authorities could punish them for their crime. If people knew this to be the case then they might be slightly less likely to do it.

[St James puppet nation]

The ends (you being allegedly stronger and more able to deal with people being dicks) do not justify the means (homophobic bullying which often ends with merely victims). They do not make the behavior "good."

Allow me to make a similar argument.

1. In 1998 I was attacked by a serial killer.
2. I survived, and as a result I've grown better able to handle the challenges of my work and life!
3. Therefore, serial killing is good!

Wow, scary.

[Olthar]

If you punch a kid in the face every day of his life, he'll eventually grow up accustomed to being punched in the face and will be able to put up a fight if he is ever attacked later in life. Therefore, we should all punch our children in the face so that they grow up to be strong people.

Also: torture. If we cut our children, they will grow resistant to it, and if they then become soldiers and get captured by the enemy, they'll be able to survive whatever they get put through. Thus, we should all perform regular torture sessions on our offspring.

Lastly, if we rape our children while they're still young, they'll learn to deal with it early on, and if it happens again later in life, it won't hurt them as much. Clearly, we need to rape our kids regularly so that they can become immune to it.

[Avenio]

But is it harassment if there is classroom discussion on same-sex marriage and a student simply said "I personally believe marriage is only between one man and one women and my religion says homosexuality is a sin.", is that harassment?

Stating your opinion in the appropriate setting is not harassment. I would imagine people might vehemently disagree with you if you said that, but they would move on with their lives. The problem, of course, isn't that people have such opinions, it's that they express such opinions via physical and verbal harassment, which leads to a whole range of mental illnesses and trauma in the victim.

I really hope you're capable of recognizing the difference.

[Madda]

I know that it happened way less. If somebody called you a queer, you and your friends would just beat them up.

I'd love to see a source backing that up.

My source? How about life? I have nothing against gay people, in fact, I go to a private Christian school and I'm the only person there that supports gay marriage and abortion rights. But I can share from my own personal experiences that half of the school used to think(And probably still does) think I'm gay. I'm not great at sports and I like to play with Japanese erasers. I'm not afraid to admit that, and all that time I was trying to prove my masculinity until I finally realized that I didn't care what some zitty teenager said. Now I'm free to do whatever I want with my life.

[Oterro]

edgy

*Shrug* To use the departure "God Bless All of You" seems a bit pompous to me. Seemed appropriate to respond in turn.

then you could've said something like "i don't believe in god but you have a nice day too"

you can even use that creativity and be poetic about it; "may you walk smoothly down the path of life"! see, that was three seconds thinking

instead of you know, just trying to be offensive and sounding like a 14 year old

[Seperates]

I am sorry, but I must go now. I have a comparative essay due in my economics class on the Austrian School VS the Chicago School. Take care and God Bless All of You.

I'd rather find my own path in the darkness, thanks.

[The Nuclear Fist]

I'd love to see a source backing that up.

My source? How about life? I have nothing against gay people, in fact, I go to a private Christian school and I'm the only person there that supports gay marriage and abortion rights. But I can share from my own personal experiences that half of the school used to think(And probably still does) think I'm gay. I'm not great at sports and I like to play with Japanese erasers. I'm not afraid to admit that, and all that time I was trying to prove my masculinity until I finally realized that I didn't care what some zitty teenager said. Now I'm free to do whatever I want with my life.

I'm glad to see you don't have a source to back it up, but instead are using horseshit anecdotes. Anecdotes that have nothing to do with what you were talking about, at that.

It just goes goes to show the rest of the class here that your argument is a sea of hogwash. Emperor bless you, my dear sir or madam. Emperor bless you.

[Khadgar]

If you punch a kid in the face every day of his life, he'll eventually grow up accustomed to being punched in the face and will be able to put up a fight if he is ever attacked later in life. Therefore, we should all punch our children in the face so that they grow up to be strong people.

Also: torture. If we cut our children, they will grow resistant to it, and if they then become soldiers and get captured by the enemy, they'll be able to survive whatever they get put through. Thus, we should all perform regular torture sessions on our offspring.

Lastly, if we rape our children while they're still young, they'll learn to deal with it early on, and if it happens again later in life, it won't hurt them as much. Clearly, we need to rape our kids regularly so that they can become immune to it.

It's like some warped lemarkian evolution.

[Galla-]

I am sorry, but I must go now. I have a comparative essay due in my economics class on the Austrian School VS the Chicago School. Take care and God Bless All of You.

May Satan light your way.

omg harassment

[Madda]

My source? How about life? I have nothing against gay people, in fact, I go to a private Christian school and I'm the only person there that supports gay marriage and abortion rights. But I can share from my own personal experiences that half of the school used to think(And probably still does) think I'm gay. I'm not great at sports and I like to play with Japanese erasers. I'm not afraid to admit that, and all that time I was trying to prove my masculinity until I finally realized that I didn't care what some zitty teenager said. Now I'm free to do whatever I want with my life.

I'm glad to see you don't have a source to back it up, but instead are using horseshit anecdotes. Anecdotes that have nothing to do with what you were talking about, at that.

It just goes goes to show the rest of the class here that your argument is a sea of hogwash. Emperor bless you, my dear sir or madam. Emperor bless you.

My anecdotes are horseshit and my argument is hogwash? I feel like I'm being bullied...

[Ceannairceach]

*Shrug* To use the departure "God Bless All of You" seems a bit pompous to me. Seemed appropriate to respond in turn.

then you could've said something like "i don't believe in god but you have a nice day too"

you can even use that creativity and be poetic about it; "may you walk smoothly down the path of life"! see, that was three seconds thinking

instead of you know, just trying to be offensive and sounding like a 14 year old

Almost everything's been said before. It is truly hard to be creative nowadays. Why make something up when someone before has said it better?

This said, I don't especially consider saying something along the lines of what I said to be offensive. A bit childish, perhaps, but I was more or less going for that.

[Salandriagado]

I have a confession to make; I was bullied when I was in grammar school, and I went to both state run and private schools during my time in grammar school. In both, I was bulled and the staff did little to nothing to stop it. I also grew up with homosexual attractions while I was in the private grammar school which was also a very conservative Roman Catholic School. But I survived and I am still very thankful for my Roman Catholic education for providing me an great education not only on the “ 3 R’S” but on moral values and ethics.

None of this is a confession.

Now, I must say, at the time, the bullying seemed to have no real value.

You were correct.

I was bullied because of me weight, of a tumor I had on right side of my cheek, a small pony tail that I used to have, of my learning disability and my alleged and actually true homosexual “crush” on another student, which was actually my first “crush.”

No, you were bullied. The reason isn't relevant.

But unlike today, I fought back. Well, I did not really fight anyone, I “ripped” on them back.

In what possible way is this different to today?

Today, I hardly talk to them and when I do, we just laugh at it. People mature and people move on.

Most people don't.

I strongly believe that a bully in his childhood is a bully in his/her adulthood. And if they are, they are most likely just passive-aggressive arses.

The first sentence is unintentionally correct. The evidence disagrees with the point you were trying to make.

Without the bullying that I went through as a child and early teenager, I would not able to survive in adult world today.

Bullshit.

I had have supervisors that were just plain dicks, and guess what, I am still living.

Being bullied has fuck all to do with it.

If you can’t handle grammar, middle and high school and the bullies that come with it, then I’m sorry, you are the problem, not the bully.

No, people being arseholes is entirely their own problem.

Currently, especially in the U.S, we seem to have an all of a sudden focus on children and teenagers that are homosexual.

Probably because of the attacks on them.

There are claims that we need to protect them from the bullies because if someone “harasses” based on their sexuality, they are “harmed” so how.

They are. Physically and mentally scarred for the rest of their lives, for example.

That they need to be a protected class because…well I haven’t really heard a reason why from the advocate for it.

Nobody needs to be a "protected class" (whatever the fuck that means).

Firstly, I grew up homosexual in a Roman Catholic private school, I was told every day that people like myself was going to hell. In fact, my private school and parish went one step further and preached that even having homosexual attractions was a sin, let alone acting on them.

The school was run by dicks.

So, I felt like crap and at times, I did want to kill myself. But guess what? I survived through the medicine.

So you were pushed almost to the point of suicide and into reliance on very strong drugs. This is good in what way, precisely?

Yes, I am saying that the bullying of homosexual teens is beneficial to them, because it will teach them how to fight back and that not everyone is going to accept homosexuality just because it is “the right and smart thing to do”.

Fighting back is not a good idea. People who learn to fight back tend to get stabbed by muggers.

There is going to ignorant people out there and people are going to “cling to their religion”, deal with it.

No. I'm not going to "deal with" people being dicks. I'm going to do something about it.

It will also teach them not to be ahem...overly expressive in professional environments.

No, it will teach them to internalise stuff, leading to long-term psychological harm.

Okay, how am I wrong on that? Please, I assume you have a college education and so do I, so please, try to give reasons before you type. Thank you.

It completely flies in the face of what the actual science says. Try putting into place whatever research skills you learned when you were there.

But it is not harassment to state that homosexuality is illegal if homosexuals are publicly announcing their sex life.

Homosexuality is not illegal in any civilised country. Also, that != bullying.

The thing is, why are they killing themselves? Why can't they handle "mean" words?

Permanent and serious psychological harm caused by bullying.

I agree, but now, most homosexuals in public high schools fell the need to tell everyone about their sexuality.

No they don't. The vast majority of them still hide it out of fear of what will happen. This is bad.

If they are going to be public about their sex life, they have to have the fact that not everyone is going to agree with them because they "need" everyone's approval.

Disagreeing with somebody != bullying them.

No, it is not. Again, if homosexuals want to public about their sex life, they need to face the fact that not everyone that does not agree with homosexuality is not going to be silent.

They do not, however, have to put up with attacks on them. At all. Any more than people should have to put up with being beaten up because they're black.

I am sorry, but I must go now. I have a comparative essay due in my economics class on the Austrian School VS the Chicago School. Take care and God Bless All of You.

Why the hell are you studying that in economics? Really now, just do QE and get on with stuff that's actually valid. A hint: the austrian school is for people who live in fairyland.

[The Nuclear Fist]

My anecdotes are horseshit and my argument is hogwash? I feel like I'm being bullied...

Your total lack of an actual response are signals of acknowledgement of defeat.

[Seperates]

I'm glad to see you don't have a source to back it up, but instead are using horseshit anecdotes. Anecdotes that have nothing to do with what you were talking about, at that.

It just goes goes to show the rest of the class here that your argument is a sea of hogwash. Emperor bless you, my dear sir or madam. Emperor bless you.

My anecdotes are horseshit and my argument is hogwash? I feel like I'm being bullied...

Source that back in the 60's, when somebody called you a "queer" you just had you and your friends beat them up.

Source your claim, bro.

[East Ormania]

If you punch a kid in the face every day of his life, he'll eventually grow up accustomed to being punched in the face and will be able to put up a fight if he is ever attacked later in life. Therefore, we should all punch our children in the face so that they grow up to be strong people.

Also: torture. If we cut our children, they will grow resistant to it, and if they then become soldiers and get captured by the enemy, they'll be able to survive whatever they get put through. Thus, we should all perform regular torture sessions on our offspring.

Lastly, if we rape our children while they're still young, they'll learn to deal with it early on, and if it happens again later in life, it won't hurt them as much. Clearly, we need to rape our kids regularly so that they can become immune to it.

Do i detect a hint of sarcasm?

[Ostroeuropa]

My anecdotes are horseshit and my argument is hogwash? I feel like I'm being bullied...

Source that back in the 60's, when somebody called you a "queer" you just had you and your friends beat them up.

Source your claim, bro.

Well, everyone was tripping balls in the 60's so maybe he just imagined thats how things went down.

[Seperates]

Source that back in the 60's, when somebody called you a "queer" you just had you and your friends beat them up.

Source your claim, bro.

Well, everyone was tripping balls in the 60's so maybe he just imagined thats how things went down.

Could easily be.

[Olthar]

If you punch a kid in the face every day of his life, he'll eventually grow up accustomed to being punched in the face and will be able to put up a fight if he is ever attacked later in life. Therefore, we should all punch our children in the face so that they grow up to be strong people.

Also: torture. If we cut our children, they will grow resistant to it, and if they then become soldiers and get captured by the enemy, they'll be able to survive whatever they get put through. Thus, we should all perform regular torture sessions on our offspring.

Lastly, if we rape our children while they're still young, they'll learn to deal with it early on, and if it happens again later in life, it won't hurt them as much. Clearly, we need to rape our kids regularly so that they can become immune to it.

Do i detect a hint of sarcasm?

If all you see is a hint, then you need to open your eyes wider.

[Madda]

My anecdotes are horseshit and my argument is hogwash? I feel like I'm being bullied...

Your total lack of an actual response are signals of acknowledgement of defeat.

Okay, I can deal with the fact that I've just been told that my personal opinion is wrong, which is in it self considered bullying. Cyberbullying, actually.

[Ostroeuropa]

Well, everyone was tripping balls in the 60's so maybe he just imagined thats how things went down.

Could easily be.

Whenever someone asks for a source from the 60's part of me thinks
"Thats a bit mean. It's like asking you to source a dream you once had"

[Samuraikoku]

Your total lack of an actual response are signals of acknowledgement of defeat.

Okay, I can deal with the fact that I've just been told that my personal opinion is wrong, which is in it self considered bullying. Cyberbullying, actually.

So disagreeing is wrong?

[Olthar]

Your total lack of an actual response are signals of acknowledgement of defeat.

Okay, I can deal with the fact that I've just been told that my personal opinion is wrong, which is in it self considered bullying. Cyberbullying, actually.

"You are wrong" is not bullying.

[Ostroeuropa]

Your total lack of an actual response are signals of acknowledgement of defeat.

Okay, I can deal with the fact that I've just been told that my personal opinion is wrong, which is in it self considered bullying. Cyberbullying, actually.

Cyberbullying is the use of the Internet and related technologies to harm other people, in a deliberate, repeated, and hostile manner.
You are not harmed by being told your opinion is wrong. In fact, if you are critically minded, being told your opinion is wrong and having why explained to you is a huge fucking favor