Suicide and You

[Reggae Magmia]

Suicide is a very sad, terrible thing. I've had quite a few family members commit suicide. I'd be lying if I said the thought of it never crossed my mind, or the thought of how much of a relief it would be to fall asleep and not have to wake up to shit anymore.......

But ultimately, if I commit suicide, what does it mean? I couldn't deal with life anymore, so I gave up? I'm better off than most people, and most of those people aren't commiting suicide.

For me, suicide is basically "I give up." Which, if you wish to give up, that's fine, it's your choice. But what do you acomplish? Nothing.... Sure, you're no longer in pain, but now......you're gone. No longer do you have any signifigance in the world, except in the hearts of those who loved you, who are now shocked and heart broken.

Suicide is not an individual act, it effects everyone around you. I've had friends say "I'm gonna kill myself because I miss my friend, who also killed herself," then I had to deal with the awful task of talking her off the edge of the cliff, and in the process of that, I started loosing it!

I'll summarize the content of my babble: I see suicide as the "I quit" of life. But it is in a way selfish, because it doesn't just affect you, but those around you as well. I don't condemn those who commit suicide, but I do think it is defeatist and a bit selfish.

At the end of my life on this planet, I want to be able to say "I did it! I lived life to the fullest and did my best," not "I gave up."

[Samuraikoku]

I'm not contending it doesn't suck. I'm stating that they were probably aware of that, but they still chose to endure it.

That and efforts were made to shorten the duration of the pain.
The book Hagakure talks about the concept of (and I apologise if I have hte name wrong...) a Kayashi, who would be an honourable person or great freind/companion to the individual commiting seppuku. Their job was to observe for when the act of seppuku had been commited, and then behead the individual to end their pain once they had gone through with the act of killing themselves.

Kaishakunin.

[Wisconsin9]

I briefly considered it when I was in middle school.

[Hionntach]

The thought hasn't crossed my mind, but...

Seppuku

Not a bad way to end one's life.

I've always admired the Samurai, suicide for the reasons the Samurai sometimes did it was stupid, but respectable. It was about honor.

Shouldn't you be rallying against it as being cowardice in the face of shame?

[Azrael]

People should be free to make that choice of ending their own life if they please.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I briefly considered it when I was in middle school.

Wow, that's rather young. Not judging, though.

[Catan]

Just as people have a right to life, they also have a right to death.

[Ostroeuropa]

Suicide is a very sad, terrible thing. I've had quite a few family members commit suicide. I'd be lying if I said the thought of it never crossed my mind, or the thought of how much of a relief it would be to fall asleep and not have to wake up to shit anymore.......

But ultimately, if I commit suicide, what does it mean? I couldn't deal with life anymore, so I gave up? I'm better off than most people, and most of those people aren't commiting suicide.

For me, suicide is basically "I give up." Which, if you wish to give up, that's fine, it's your choice. But what do you acomplish? Nothing.... Sure, you're no longer in pain, but now......you're gone. No longer do you have any signifigance in the world, except in the hearts of those who loved you, who are now shocked and heart broken.

Suicide is not an individual act, it effects everyone around you. I've had friends say "I'm gonna kill myself because I miss my friend, who also killed herself," then I had to deal with the awful task of talking her off the edge of the cliff, and in the process of that, I started loosing it!

I'll summarize the content of my babble: I see suicide as the "I quit" of life. But it is in a way selfish, because it doesn't just affect you, but those around you as well. I don't condemn those who commit suicide, but I do think it is defeatist and a bit selfish.

At the end of my life on this planet, I want to be able to say "I did it! I lived life to the fullest and did my best," not "I gave up."

Speaking from experience, typically a depressed person views themselves as monstrous or inherently flawed and evil. (One of the red flags a psychological examination will throw up is if someone awnsers "no." on the "Are you a good person?" question. Psychopaths, sociopaths, and the healthy typically awnser yes. Only liars (compulsive ?) and depressed people awnser no)
The reasoning often goes that while the suicide will be a negative effect on those around them that a short sudden trauma is better for your friends and family to endure than your long-term existance.

[Samuraikoku]

I've always admired the Samurai, suicide for the reasons the Samurai sometimes did it was stupid, but respectable. It was about honor.

Shouldn't you be rallying against it as being cowardice in the face of shame?

They saw cowardice as choosing to live a life of shame than ending it proudly.

[The God-Realm]

I attempted it 5 times.

Sadly one time it was for no reason at all.

[Gordano and Lysandus]

I have, admittedly, considered suicide on numerous occasions. Ironically, the thing preventing me from definitively fleeing my fears of the pain and failure in my life has been my fear of death.

I hate and despise my life, no matter my efforts to try to improve it, I seem to achieve nothing but further misery. Honestly, if I was not so much of a coward, I'd be dead.

Well, that's suicide and I.

[Reggae Magmia]

Speaking from experience, typically a depressed person views themselves as monstrous or inherently flawed and evil. (One of the red flags a psychological examination will throw up is if someone awnsers "no." on the "Are you a good person?" question.)
The reasoning often goes that while the suicide will be a negative effect on those around them that a short sudden trauma is better for your friends and family to endure than your long-term existance.

That's the problem though. The effect it has on your friends and family will stay with them for the rest of their lives.

[IshCong]

Hello, NSG after some converstion I had about suicide in the "Thread for former Fascists and Sympathizers", I thought I ought to make a thread for it. I know we've had suicide threads before, but what the hell. What do you all think of people commiting suicide, and when or if it is ok to commit suicide.

As I stated in the former Fascists thread....

You can't master life if you end it, suicide is the highest expression of cowardice.

That pretty much sums up my thoughts on the topic.

Considering that many wish to commit suicide because they are literally in so much pain that if doctors actually gave them enough pain-killers to dull that pain the pain-killers would kill them, I'd have to say no, that's not cowardice.
Others may be suffering some sort of intense mental trauma or a psychological illness or both, in which case the best method is obviously to ostracize these people further, right? I mean, if they're contemplating suicide because maybe people are mocking them daily, or because they're traumatized and can't get help, obviously it will be better if we make them feel worse and, in doing so, make it harder for them to get help.[/sarcasm]
Cripes. No. This is just horrible.

[Alaje]

I briefly considered it when I was in middle school.

Yup, that's the same time period I attempted it....a few times.

[Ostroeuropa]

Speaking from experience, typically a depressed person views themselves as monstrous or inherently flawed and evil. (One of the red flags a psychological examination will throw up is if someone awnsers "no." on the "Are you a good person?" question.)
The reasoning often goes that while the suicide will be a negative effect on those around them that a short sudden trauma is better for your friends and family to endure than your long-term existance.

That's the problem though. The effect it has on your friends and family will stay with them for the rest of their lives.

I agree.
But all you have to accept is that it's possible for a person to be such a huge asshole that their family and friends might be better off if they were dead, and the depressed will THINK THEY ARE THAT BAD.
It's a horrible experience to be consistently awash with self-loathing.

[East Ormania]

My religion says(in a nutshell) that suicide is a very bad thing that makes your spirit go to a place that is full of deformed bodies walking around.
I myself was a depressive once, and ended up trying to do so about two times or more. I think i didn't have the courage to finish it.
And then i found comfort in spiritualism, and i'm very happy right now.
So therefore, my position on suicide is that it's wrong and it doesn't pay off.

[Ostroeuropa]

Speaking from experience, typically a depressed person views themselves as monstrous or inherently flawed and evil. (One of the red flags a psychological examination will throw up is if someone awnsers "no." on the "Are you a good person?" question.)
The reasoning often goes that while the suicide will be a negative effect on those around them that a short sudden trauma is better for your friends and family to endure than your long-term existance.

That's the problem though. The effect it has on your friends and family will stay with them for the rest of their lives.

I agree.
But all you have to accept is that it's possible for a person to be such a huge asshole that their family and friends might be better off if they were dead, and the depressed will THINK THEY ARE THAT BAD.
It's a horrible experience to be consistently awash with self-loathing.

[East Ormania]

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[IshCong]

Hello, NSG after some converstion I had about suicide in the "Thread for former Fascists and Sympathizers", I thought I ought to make a thread for it. I know we've had suicide threads before, but what the hell. What do you all think of people commiting suicide, and when or if it is ok to commit suicide.

As I stated in the former Fascists thread....

You can't master life if you end it, suicide is the highest expression of cowardice.

That pretty much sums up my thoughts on the topic.

Considering that many wish to commit suicide because they are literally in so much pain that if doctors actually gave them enough pain-killers to dull that pain the pain-killers would kill them, I'd have to say no, that's not cowardice.
Others may be suffering some sort of intense mental trauma or a psychological illness or both, in which case the best method is obviously to ostracize these people further, right? I mean, if they're contemplating suicide because maybe people are mocking them daily, or because they're traumatized and can't get help, obviously it will be better if we make them feel worse and, in doing so, make it harder for them to get help.[/sarcasm]
Cripes. No. This is just horrible.

How about instead we recognize that most of these people need help? That they're not all cowards, and that some of them have damn good reasons for contemplating suicide? That many of them are physically or mentally ill? That many of them aren't exactly doing this on a whim, but considering it as a culmination of weeks or months of thinking about just what their life does or does not mean?

[Stedicules]

i had like a great uncle or something suck in car exhaust to kill himself. i never met him, but i knew he was an asshole, so i could care less.

[The USOT]

I cant say ive ever really tried to commit suicide, but then again my "darkest moment" was in many ways not neccesarily anything which I saw suicide would fix.

I had a pretty bad time over the summer. It can be summed up as numerous family members either dieing, going literally crazy, and I beleived due to mistakes on the part of a doctor that I had testicular cancer for a great duration. For those who havent experienced it, watching the look in the eyes of someone you love as you tell them something like that is haunting, and partially soul destroying.

I suppose though in many ways, death being the cause of much of my sadness over that time would inevitably never lead to suicide as a valid option. And I suppose (touch wood) I cant see myself ending my life without exceedingly good cause due to a perhaps more profound love of life than I had before. To an extent in many ways this is bad as I will openly admit to a complete lack of accepting death... (not in that I dont think it exists, but more the Idea of myself or my loved ones dying terrifies me greatly).

I dont find myself condemning suicide, but I think it requires a hell of a lot of justification. If its something akin to Euthanasia in which case there is no good reason for the life to continue, then yes I do agree with it.
If however it is just because of sadness, I cant condone it. There are ways past sadness which dont involve death, and I think ending it in such a way is just sad and unneccesary.

[Arumdaum]

The thought hasn't crossed my mind, but...

Seppuku

Not a bad way to end one's life.

Except for the disembowelment by blade. That's gotta fucking suck.

^ Definitely.

[Alaje]

That's the problem though. The effect it has on your friends and family will stay with them for the rest of their lives.

I agree.
But all you have to accept is that it's possible for a person to be such a huge asshole that their family and friends might be better off if they were dead, and the depressed will THINK THEY ARE THAT BAD.
It's a horrible experience to be consistently awash with self-loathing.

Well, It depends on what lead the individual to contemplate suicide. I didn't feel like I was a "monster", I just felt as if I was worthless.

[Azrael]

Except for the disembowelment by blade. That's gotta fucking suck.

^ Definitely.

They thought it was an honorable way to die. Some still do, as Seppuku is still committed occasionally.

[The USOT]

Its immoral. It is a repudiation of the image of God.

What do you mean by this specifically?