Fascist rise in europe

[Zaras]

This must be a classic communist bigotry. You are alright with people coming into your nation for working where they are stripped away from their culture and society and surrounded by hatred of hosts but you are not ok with work going to those people where they could live at ease in their own society. Doesn't the logic of "lazy natives get off your ass to get the job before immigrants do" is essentially equal to "lazy natives get off your ass to get the job before it gets shipped off".

I never fucking said any of this, Einstein. I'd appreciate if you read my posts and notice that I've always been opposed to assimilation of minorities by a dominant culture.

Funny how you accuse me of bigotry. Projecting much?

[Zaras]

It's a blog. And it's in Greek.

Find an international, reputable source.

Dont have any

Then give up and admit you're wrong.

[Zaras]

I never fucking said any of this, Einstein. I'd appreciate if you read my posts and notice that I've always been opposed to assimilation of minorities by a dominant culture.

Dominant culture.minorities... uuuuh.Do you believe in ethnicity?

No. Ethnicity is a thing that you shouldn't be proud of because you have no control over it. You should be proud of your accomplishments instead of genetic accidents like where you were born.

[Zaras]

Then you have no credible evidence and you've wasted our time.


Again.

Yes cause I am sure you were busy curing cancer

And you're busy protesting austerity.

[Zaras]

Is there room for one more?

Of course. We sensible people ought to stick together against the anti-patriotic, leftist and Eurocratic hordes who will happily slash the elderly's pensions if it means saving the banks.

Suuuuuure. You assume I agree with everything the EU does. Newsflash: I don't. The EU has made some astounding cock-ups, but I believe it's worth saving.

[Zaras]

What if I'm a patriotic hardline leftist with anti-Euro views? I might also remind you that most truly left-wing parties oppose the Euro. The bailout economy is for right-wing fools and social democrats.

Perhaps liberal would have been a better word then leftist. I apologize. The way I see it, the anti-EU forces in Europe should unite across the Left-Right spectrum because there are those who oppose the domination of Germany and Brussels on both sides. We can figure out the details of individual countries and their economies once we take back our sovereignity from the soul crushing Eurocratic class.

You think I don't agree that the ECB is way too biased towards Germany and the institutional arrangements need fine-tuning?

[Zaras]

[Citation Needed]

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/ ... G9nC1GqPva

It's not about Finland, but I can go on. Finding non-English sources is hard.

That still leaves 4/5 rapes done by Finns. Your point just completely died.

[Zaras]

It's the politicians of Europe and the EU's own damn fault. It is they who ignore the will of the people and their own culture, and adopt ideas of multiculturalism, which does not belong to Europe nor any other nation. I won't say I sypathize with the fascist, but Europe's ultra-liberal politicians has yet to see that it is theirs fault, not the people's, that far right-wing parties is rising.

Multiculturalism beats stupid racist, nationalist xenophobia anytime.

[Zaras]

That still leaves 4/5 rapes done by Finns. Your point just completely died.

No it didn't. The fact is that if one percent of your population is foreigners and foreigners commit 20% of the crimes that's ridiculous.

Then do more than just dump immigrants in ghettos and then be surprised that they feel alienated and suffer from poverty, goddammit.

[Zaras]

How? He's talking about by proportion not absolutes. It's 5th grade math.

Education from whatever brainwashed European nation he's living in.

Don't you fucking insult my homeland. Only I get to insult my homeland.

In any case, Romania's education system is so piss fucking poor it's impossible to brainwash anybody there. The most you learn is how to cheat and copy on tests.

[Zaras]

Basic McCarthyian scare tactics, if someone disagrees with you then call them a communist.

Basic Multiculturalist tactics: If someone disagrees with you even a little bit denounce them as a racist, refuse to let them on TV, refuse to debate them, tweak electoral laws to keep them from reaching parliament (see France)

Basic racist tactics: if someone disagrees with you, call them a rootless cosmopolitan and misinterpret crime statistics to make immigrants look bad.

[Zaras]

Suuuuuure. You assume I agree with everything the EU does. Newsflash: I don't. The EU has made some astounding cock-ups, but I believe it's worth saving.

Well, when I posted against the EU you basically said "Get this shit out of here". So I think I could be forgiven for thinking your a Eurocratic diehard.

Unlike you, my anger at the EU is that it's not what it could be. I'm angry at its failures because I want it to be better.

[Zaras]

Then do more than just dump immigrants in ghettos and then be surprised that they feel alienated and suffer from poverty, goddammit.

Yeah, deport them, don't let them in, and force them to leave.

Go hang out with your BNP pals while I advocate giving them more help in settling.

[Zaras]

i'm not sure if you're even serious but could you expand more on "them"?

Immigrants.

Ergo, you are a BNP member. Have fun hanging out with your small-minded, equally racist, pathetic fellow Nazis.

Actually, even better: let's flood Abatael's country with immigrants, just to get his knickers in a twist!

[Zaras]

Ergo, you are a BNP member. Have fun hanging out with your small-minded, equally racist, pathetic fellow Nazis.

Actually, even better: let's flood Abatael's country with immigrants, just to get his knickers in a twist!

We won't allow them in. We have a process, and don't just let everyone in.

You live in North Korea!

The bad ones.

What a juvenile statement.

Abatael is clearly 13 years old.

[Zaras]

Not always. I'm socially liberal, but I oppose throwing people around from other countries, because it's much better for their own countries to develop first. 1/5 rapes in Finland are done my Somalis, and Somalis make about 0,03% of the population, so there's that. There's nothing about communism that can in any way be described as anti-patriotic.

Except for the whole internationalist brotherhood of man thing.

Yup, that thing that supersedes the mind disease we call "patriotism".

[Zaras]

You live in North Korea!



Abatael is clearly 13 years old.

I'm not 13.

Prove it by growing the fuck up and developing an adult, non-bigoted understanding of immigration.

[Zaras]

Prove it by growing the fuck up and developing an adult, non-bigoted understanding of immigration.

Being an adult does not mean I have to be "non-bigoted."

Not being a complete asshole to people is part of being a well-functioning, normal adult human.

[Zaras]

It does, perhaps, mean that there ought to be more informed opinions held.

Being bigoted isn't really considered to be part of being a well-rounded human being.

Simply because I have not explained thoroughly what I meant, does not mean I am uninformed.

And, being a well-rounded human being does is not necessarily being an adult.

Well, you haven't proved you're either of those, so nyeah!

But if you're against immigration, you're by definition uninformed.

[Zaras]

Not being a complete asshole to people is part of being a well-functioning, normal adult human.

That is not the definition of an adult. You can be bigoted, and be an adult.

But then you'd be a complete fucking failure of humanity, and thus technically a worthless shitstain of a human being. That's only technically being an adult, not practically.

[Zaras]

Not being a complete asshole to people is part of being a well-functioning, normal adult human.

That is not the definition of an adult. You can be bigoted, and be an adult.

Edit: I am well-functioning, and normal.

Nope, you aren't. You're a bigot who advocates ethnic cleansing. On a Venn diagram, that never intersects with being "well-functioning and normal".

[Zaras]

That still leaves 4/5 rapes done by Finns. Your point just completely died.

http://www.hs.fi/kuvat/iso_webkuva/1135233947201.jpeg

Can't post it here, pixels are too wide.

The above chart shows crimes committed in Helsinki. Blue indicates crimes committed by those born in Finland, and yellow indicates crime committed by those born outside of Finland. First column is murder, second column is assaults, third column is kidnapping and last column is rapes.

Bear in mind the foreign born population in Helsinki as of 20007 was 8.3%, when yet, they are over represented in most crime statistics. So no, his point hasn't "completely died".

Yes, it did. How the fuck is this any different from black people being overrepresented in crime statistics in the USA?

[Zaras]

Well, you haven't proved you're either of those, so nyeah!

But if you're against immigration, you're by definition uninformed.

No, it means my beliefs were differently formed than those of yours.

Yeah, your beliefs were formed without exposure to reality or humans who were different from you.

[Zaras]

Nope, you aren't. You're a bigot who advocates ethnic cleansing. On a Venn diagram, that never intersects with being "well-functioning and normal".

What ethnic cleansing have I advocated?

Kicking immigrants out by force. That's ethnic cleansing. Not letting any in. That's ethnic cleansing.

[Zaras]

No, it means my beliefs were differently formed than those of yours.

so are you bigoted?

He's gonna insist we call it "differently-opinionated".