Fascist rise in europe

[Yorkopolis]

Yeah, sure, the EU has destroyed democracy around Europe when it's actually the only thing so far that's in the way of the crazy government in Hungary passing a blatantly shit reform that would actually abolish democracy.



Your Daily Mail is showing, please get it under control. Also, the EU helps countries reduce their poverty level, so please get it right.



An entire continent of rabid multiculturalists who hate bigotry with the intensity of a thousand suns and fight it at every turn? Sounds like a utopia.

1: Viktor Orban's government was democratically elected by a landslide. Who elected Barosso? Who elected Herman van Rompuy?

2: The EU helps reduce poverty? Yeah go tell that to Greece, or Spain, or Portugal...

3: Hate Bigotry? Ha! I'm sorry but if you can't handle somebody else's opinion without shunning them, calling them racist and in general going on childish rants then your a bigot too. So if utopia for you means blatant hypocrisy and childish tantrums at every turn, leave me out of it.

I agree with this totally, the EU bureaucrats weren't elected democratically but were just chosen by their superiors.

[Yorkopolis]

1: Viktor Orban's government was democratically elected by a landslide.

That says bad things about Hungarian voters.

2: The EU helps reduce poverty? Yeah go tell that to Greece, or Spain, or Portugal...

Or Poland, or Slovenia, or all of the Eastern European members who benefit from the adjustment funds.

I'm sorry but if you can't handle somebody else's opinion without shunning them, calling them racist and in general going on childish rants then your a bigot too.

If you keep saying it, that doesn't make it any more true. I can handle loathsome opinions with disdain. I don't have to respect them.

So if utopia for you means blatant hypocrisy and childish tantrums at every turn, leave me out of it.

I'm not stupid enough to believe that people should be forced to join utopias. That's kind of the point of utopias.

If you can't respect someone's opinion then what's the point of being libertarian, mister? Don't libertarians love freedom of speech? And doesn't freedom of speech include respecting someone's opinion, no matter how racist, bigoted, idiotic, neo-Nazi and clueless it may be?

[Yorkopolis]

If you can't respect someone's opinion then what's the point of being libertarian, mister? Don't libertarians love freedom of speech? And doesn't freedom of speech include respecting someone's opinion, no matter how racist, bigoted, idiotic, neo-Nazi and clueless it may be?

Wait a minute. We're not dealing with libertarians at all here. I'm familiar with the type - I encounter them a bit too often in debates.
These are people who think people should be free to do what they want, as long as it's what they want.
They want to shut people up who think differently, because their views do not hold in any normal debate.

Sounds a lot like Trotskyists, who tend to throw everyone who doesn't agree with them or who suggests a different party line gets kicked out of the party and who demonise everyone who criticises their methods. Their method, democratic centralism is also funny, they really have extreme views that everything that is orthodox is correct and every critical opinion trying to analyse it realistically is bad. That is what you mean, am I correct?

[Zaras]

Ι am a nazi cause I want them out of my nation?

Yes.

[Zaras]

Even though a large majority of Europeans want fewer immigrants or even closed borders, a large majority of politicians choose to follow their own views - more immigration. Even though a large majority of Europeans want less powers handed over to the European Union, politicians choose to follow their own views - more powers to the European Union!

That means a large majority of Europeans are fucking eejits, and the EU is a commendable institution that tells 'em all to fuck off.

Their extreme stance against capital punishment would almost make you forget that a majority of the population in Europe actually fanatically supports capital punishment at times.

That just makes a majority of Europeans are uncivilised bloodthirsty fucking monsters. Thankfully the EU is there to prevent them from doing what they want.

[Zaras]

There are still people who advocate the creation of communist nations despite the huge amount of atrocities and failed states the ideology's implementation spawned.

Because they want actual communist nations and not authoritarian, Leninist-Stalinist perversion hellholes.

[Zaras]

You're a Nazi supporter since you endorse a Nazi party.

No it seems that I am a nazi cause I endorse the only nationalist party (not nationalist socialist)

Nationalism is a loathsome, seemingly incurable cancer on a society.

[Zaras]

So the union which was made to make our lifes better and represent us,actually represents its own stances to make money for the elites and we are the monsters?

The job of representative government is not to represent every single disgusting, stupid thought the voter has. The government is there to stop that kind of thing from happening, like how the Californian Supreme Court threw out Proposition 8 because human rights are more important than groupthink bigotry.

And why are we monsters? When someone kills my family and rapes my mother and sister he deserves capital punishment by torture

Torture them to death yourself then, and see if that makes it somehow better. Capital punishment is just stooping to the same moral level as murderers in the first place.

[Zaras]

Nationalism is a loathsome, seemingly incurable cancer on a society.

YEAH!FREE COMMIE CRAP FOR EVERYONE GET YOUR COMMIE CRAP WHILE ITS HOT

I didn't know one of the tenets of nationalism was not making counterarguments.

And it's not commie bullshit, it's fact. Nationalism's small-mindedness, jingoism and manipulation have led to too much suffering and disaster over the course of history. It is an impediment to a well-functioning society.

[Zaras]

The job of representative government is not to represent every single disgusting, stupid thought the voter has. The government is there to stop that kind of thing from happening, like how the Californian Supreme Court threw out Proposition 8 because human rights are more important than groupthink bigotry.



Torture them to death yourself then, and see if that makes it somehow better. Capital punishment is just stooping to the same moral level as murderers in the first place.

So you wouldnt kill the fuck if you could?

Of course not! I don't have a right to decide who lives or dies. I'm not god.

[Zaras]

I didn't know one of the tenets of nationalism was not making counterarguments.

I didnt know calling a majority of europeans fucking monsters was consindered a counter argument,societies were created based on nationalism and communism has caused more suffering

No country can call itself civilized while allowing capital punishment. Capital punishment solves nothing, stokes our worst impulses and has claimed hundreds of innocent victims. All the better that the EU is there to prevent it from being universally implemented in Europe.

[Zaras]

societies were created based on nationalism

Which has outlived its usefulness and must be put out to pasture. Nowadays it just fuels resentments, alienation and small-mindedness.

and communism has caused more suffering

Learn the difference between Stalinism and communism.

[Zaras]

Which has outlived its usefulness and must be put out to pasture. Nowadays it just fuels resentments, alienation and small-mindedness.



Learn the difference between Stalinism and communism.

Learn the difference bewteen nationalism and nazism

Not a big one since Nazism includes nationalism.

National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus; common short form Nazi, from Nationalsozialismus[1] ) was the ideology of the Nazi Party and Nazi Germany.[2][3][4][5] It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism and antisemitism.[6] Nazism used elements of the far-right racist Völkisch German nationalist movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany.[7] It was designed to draw workers away from communism and into Völkisch nationalism.[8] Major elements of Nazism have been described as far-right, such as allowing domination of society by people deemed racially superior, while purging society of people declared inferior which were said to be a threat to national survival.[9][10]

You don't really know how Venn diagrams work, do you?

[Zaras]

I must say, as someone who's been educated on the REAL Nazi party of Hitler, and the fascist rise of Mussolini and almost Mosley, I can say that I support the rise of fascism.

Some fucking education you have.

The Jews were picked by Hitler because the World Bank, at the time, was predominantly controlled by the Jews (ie the now American families, look at why Israel was created).

Anti-semitic bullshit. The World Bank didn't fucking exist in 1930. It was created in 1944.

Hitler was part Jewish, and actually, his mothers relatives were part of the World Bank, so he saw where the problem originated. He used already predisposed stereotypes and the already there antisemitism to fuel a movement that set the German treasury free of World bank influence (War reparations unfairly imposed by France, Britain, the US, and the World Bank itself) to move to a Gold standard (ie the Nazi gold bars still sitting in Swiss vaults).

Go away, David Irving. Nobody cares about your Hitler worship.

Now, do I support genocide? NO!!!!

Yes, you do, since you are a fascist.

[Zaras]

I prefer your picture to this http://www.google.gr/imgres?hl=el&safe=off&sa=X&biw=1333&bih=645&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=9lWKsHGc0qXe3M:&imgrefurl=http://hellenicrevenge.blogspot.com/2007/11/blog-post_479.html&docid=8a8HJ0SzBR-2JM&imgurl=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SFZt0tl-B3U/R0m60L5pDGI/AAAAAAAABBY/G732a8hWZf8/s400/simaiakapsimo%252525CF%25252586%252525CE%252525BB%252525CE%252525B1%252525CE%252525B3.jpg&w=300&h=400&ei=NQxvUNXHL8ak4gT-y4H4Dw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=519&sig=112415651054890130353&page=1&tbnh=145&tbnw=145&start=0&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:71&tx=121&ty=83

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Also, I think that anarchists simply burning a flag are preferable to Neo-Nazis which most likely beat up immigrants as their pastime.

I don't see why some people have aneurysms over flag burning. It's just a flag!

[Zaras]

This is not antisemitic at all-it is a fact.

No, it's antisemitic. The fact that you somehow got out of your education with an admiration for fascism proves you're not educated in any sense.

The majority, but not all, of the wealthy families were Jewish, and as such the Jews that didn't have the money were unfortunately persecuted while the ones at fault simply immigrated to America.

Blah blah blah blah. So a certain ethnicity has some of its members end up rich because due to past restrictions and racism they could only take certain jobs. Big fucking deal.

Look at the worlds leaders, in the west, many look mysteriously alike.

No shit! They're all white as fuck!

13 families young lad-accept it.

Don't call me young lad, and you accept the fact that you don't know shit.

[Zaras]

throwing out 2.000.000+ immigrants will help the economy.

That is the fucking stupidest, most reality-challenged, idiotic idea I have read today.

Throwing out immigrants WRECKS your economy.

Ask Georgia, which threw out immigrants and then had to watch its crop rot because nobody else wanted to do agricultural work.

[Zaras]

Whats so funny?

The part where you're a fucking bigot who openly calls people "subhumans" for being from a different place and wanting to move to your country, and support the Greek equivalent of the Nazi party.

Oh wait, that's not funny, that's disgusting.

[Zaras]

Greeks cant find a job,yet throwing out immigrants and free job slots (even thought 90% of them work illegally and dont pay taxes) will lessen the unemployment

Are you dense or something? If Greeks can't find a job, THROWING OUT IMMIGRANTS WON'T HELP. THROWING OUT IMMIGRANTS WILL RUIN THE ECONOMY FURTHER.

Unemployment can't be reduced by explusions and genocide.

[Zaras]

Are you dense or something? If Greeks can't find a job, THROWING OUT IMMIGRANTS WON'T HELP. THROWING OUT IMMIGRANTS WILL RUIN THE ECONOM FURTHER.

Unemployment can't be reduced by explusions and genocide.

throwing out people /=/ genocide

Same fucking logic. You don't get to dictate who has a right to be in Greece because of stupid reasons like colour of skin or birthplace. That way lies nationalist hatred, bigotry and disaster.

Plus, given that you support the Nazi party in Greece, you do want genocide.

[Zaras]

I didnt call them subhumans for what they are but for what they did,did you watch the fing video?

Why should I fucking bother? Life's too short to waste watching Nazi propaganda.

[Zaras]

if the greek people dont want this pakis in their nation isnt them entering consindered an invation?

No. If the Greek people don't want Pakistanis in their nation, they're disgusting fucking racists and need to be forced to learn how to be not complete failures of humanity.

The bright side is, given the still quite low support for Golden Dawn, most Greeks are demonstrably not disgusting fucking racists and complete failures of humanity.

[Zaras]

These people immigrated to greece illegally,so yeah it is against the law.And I didnt mean that it is a war.

Newsflash: illegal immigration is not a crime, it's a misdemeanour. Don't you have more important things to worry about? Like, say, protesting against the austerity forced on you?

[Zaras]

Why should I fucking bother? Life's too short to waste watching Nazi propaganda.

Pakis assaulting and raping greek women on new year's eve is propaganda?

Coming from you, yes. Stop calling them "Pakis", for fuck's sake! You sound like a- oh, wait, no, you are a BNP voter!

[Zaras]

Like, say, protesting against the austerity forced on you?

But it's white people forcing austerity on the Greeks. White people would never steer the Greeks wrong, right?

Ya think?

Plus, aren't Germans actually whiter than Greeks, because of the lack of constant sunlight and Mediterranean climate?...