Fascist rise in europe

[Baltenstein]

There are obviously Greeks who share that mindset (or perhaps sympathize with the Golden Dawn's platform in parts) but everyone i've talked to in my family is against them, despite being from the lower/lower-middle class that's been hit especially hard.

That being said, if the more mainstream parties fail to make substantive improvements to governing, the economic infrastructure, etc....well I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them continue to grow.

They are already 3d party in charts...

Right-wing wankers holding the 3rd place in polls in a country's political system is unfortunately not uncommon in Europe. Look no further than France, the Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland, Turkey, Poland and, if I'm not mistaken, Denmark. It's unpleasant but fortunately, far from a seizure of power.

[Baltenstein]

http://www.protagon.gr/?i=protagon.el.article&id=17981

You just cited more Nazis again.

Protagon.gr and pontiki are well-known Greek news sites. However if you look at the actual polls, Golden Dawn has 10,5 % of the vote, which really isn't that much.

[Baltenstein]

Protagon.gr and pontiki are well-known Greek news sites. However if you look at the actual polls, Golden Dawn 10,5 % of the vote, which really isn't that much.

My bad. I don't actually know Greek, and given Melas' record, I just figured he ass-pulled again.

At least SYRIZA is in the lead now, right?

New Democracy leads by one percent.

[Baltenstein]

Same here,there are no albanian ghetos they are spread over the town.. unfortunately not much can be done by albanians they have preety much assimulated but they are still deuchebags.

Must be frustrating for somebody as charming and open-minded as yourself.

[Belvadaire]

I believe soon the people will soon have to step up and govern themselves, obvioulsy the people is'nt happy with the way the goverment is doing things, something have to give, truth is people do not need to be governed, it's their choice, if they want to appoint a president or head of state, it's not up to secret societies or monolithic cults to decide for the people, and then turn around and manipulate their systems, to hurt and enslave them, truth and trust has to be the key, first and not last love, rich is getting richer, and the poor getting poorer, with notes called money, they can't eat or drink to survive, that's plainly imprisonment, without the people noticing it. Europe needs to swiftly shrink the goverment power down to size, to much power is being abused, and it needs to be addressed, every politician, supreme court, city councils, to even local law enforcement needs to be audited and watched closely, power abuse needs to found and taken seriously, because the abuse is hurting the people, and the people is'nt taking no more pain. I say start with the banks, audit them to the fulliest, hire if needed observers, trustworthy observers, a system is'nt bad until a cancerous mind step in to manipulate to whole thing. I say make more prison room for these criminals who is part of this whole thing, also hire if needed observers to every freemason branch, church, and any other religous organization, all the down to social workers and further down if so. my opinion!

[Camelza]

Personally I believe it is normal that nations like Greece have a rise in the extreme right wing,after the crysis the traitorous goverments and the huge waves of immigrants cause to something like that and I agree with it.This has to stop and unfortunetly this seems like the only way

Lets play a fun game!

No, really. It's great fun!

European countries with a higher per-capita ratio of immigrant population than Greece

• Holy See *
• Andorra *
• Monaco *
• Luxembourg *
• Liechtenstein *
• San Marino *
• Switzerland
• Latvia
• Estonia
• Austria
• Ukraine
• Croatia
• Cyprus
• Ireland
• Moldova
• Germany
• Sweden
• Belarus
• Spain
• France
• Netherlands
• Britain

An asterisks (*) denotes countries where this is largely caused on account of unique circumstances (Minimalistic size, mostly, leading to neighboring countries having a huge influence), but which I listed, anyway.

What does it tell us that a huge number - the vast majority of the EU, really - of countries better off also have higher immigarnt populations, yet are way better off than Greece?

Well.

• Immigrants aren't even remotely keen on emigrating to bankrupt countries incapable of governing themselves. You know, like Greece
• Immigrants actually work, and thus participate in the wealth-generation of their host countries - unlike, say, the native Greeks
• The native Greeks, despite 'Enjoying' one of the lower immigrant populations in the EU, would rather blame evil immigrants for their woes rather than actually, ya'know... Do some work themselves
• This leaves us to conclude that the Greeks are incapable of halfway decent system analysis, and hence, aren't too bright
• People who aren't too bright have, historically, shown a tendency to vote extremist factions. Greece provides yet another example of this

While I agree about Immigrants not being a problem,you're really generalising,racist and awfull towards Greeks and I demand you take that back.We aren't all fascists you know,au contraire,most of us voted for centre-left and left-wing parties in the elections and consider neoliberalism our main enemy ..not immigrants.

also,fyi,Germany is the birthplace of modern philosophy ...and they voted for Hitler.

But it's white people forcing austerity on the Greeks. White people would never steer the Greeks wrong, right?

Ya think?

Plus, aren't Germans actually whiter than Greeks, because of the lack of constant sunlight and Mediterranean climate?...

yes,actually,when Golden Dawn members went to Germany to meet their ideological brothers of NDP they got beaten by them because their "comrades" considered them inferior ..hilarious.

[Camelza]

yes,actually,when Golden Dawn members went to Germany to meet their ideological brothers of NDP they got beaten by them because their "comrades" considered them inferior ..hilarious.

An example that should be followed by every stupid far-right extremist.

damn right!

[Camelza]

An example that should be followed by every stupid far-right extremist.

That's the one thing I like about aggressive nationalist and Neo-Nazi groups when they meet each other. Instead of uniting, and forming a credible threat to society as a whole, they just kick lumps out of each other, call each other "scum" and "untermensch" and then go home.

Long may it continue.

well,as long as stupidity exists in humans...

[Camelza]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boJk8cBA ... re=related

I have more

Νews about a paki and almost killing a 15 year old greek girl

English.

no need to do that,the video says what Melas says,Pakistanis are the best scapegoats for the really unorganised Greek police.
...nobody likes them and most of them don't have papers,so they're easy to put the blame on them than a proud Greek citizen or even any Balkan immigrant.

[Camelza]

Dude, really, we Indians would never do that. What right wing racist propaganda do you watch?

Ι have seen them,I knew people who were there,they were greeks celebrating new year's eve and bunch of pakis seperated the males from the wifes and daughters and started grabing their boobs and more... Even my own cousin was almost raped by a paki.

In what neighbourhood do you live? you must be a really,really poor guy ....but,then again you're arguing about this on the Internet,speaking English.

[Camelza]

In what neighbourhood do you live? you must be a really,really poor guy ....but,then again you're arguing about this on the Internet,speaking English.

Peiraia .And this happened in syntagma

Gayraki e?
Anyway,fact is Athens and it's surroundings do have a problem but that's not immigration ..it's organisation.In my city(volioths eimai me katagwgh apo saloniki) we have a really large Albanian minority which is really productive and peacefull because they live between us and not in a ghetto or anything. ...we also are a really left-wing city,especially the Nea Ionia part.

[Camelza]

Gayraki e?
Anyway,fact is Athens and it's surroundings do have a problem but that's not immigration ..it's organisation.In my city(volioths eimai me katagwgh apo saloniki) we have a really large Albanian minority which is really productive and peacefull because they live between us and not in a ghetto or anything. ...we also are a really left-wing city,especially the Nea Ionia part.

Δεν μου αρεσει η μπαλα,αλλα οταν γενιεσαι πειραια γεννιεσαι γαυρος .
Same here,there are no albanian ghetos they are spread over the town.. unfortunately not much can be done by albanians they have preety much assimulated but they are still deuchebags.

Και άμα ο πατέρας είναι Σαλονικιός γεννιέσαι ΠΑΟΚτζής!
See,if people live near they assimilate easier and start to understand each other ...and please don't generalise Albanians.

[Camelza]

Και άμα ο πατέρας είναι Σαλονικιός γεννιέσαι ΠΑΟΚτζής!
See,if people live near they assimilate easier and start to understand each other ...and please don't generalise Albanians.

I know too many of them (they are like 40% of my shcool) and they are all the same,few exceptions but mostly deuchebags

Can't agree,when I was in high school the class had 4 Albanians,they were pretty cool guys ..played really good football also.

[Camelza]

Let them come. I always envied the International Brigades. Anti-Fascist militia fighting seemed so Romantic!

Death isn't romantic,whatever you're killing for.

[Camelza]

Can't agree,when I was in high school the class had 4 Albanians,they were pretty cool guys ..played really good football also.

You finished it? when?

to Gymnasio before 4 years

[Camelza]

to Gymnasio before 6 years

High school=Lukeio

4 xronia ...ekana lathos ypologismous ..kai tote to gymnasio pws to leme?

[Camelza]

4 xronia ...ekana lathos ypologismous ..kai tote to gymnasio pws to leme?

Η 1η κι 2α ειναι middle school κι το λυκειο τους ειναι 4 χρονια κι ξεκινα στη 3η γυμνασιου.Δηλαδη ποτε τελειωσες λυκειο; Νομιζα ησουν 16

middle schoole e?

katse re sy,twra teleiwnw to lykeio kai eimai 18 ara perysi eimoun B kai eixame 2011 meta A kai 2010 to gymansio to teleiwsa to 09 ara prin 3 xronia

gamw ta mathimatika mou gamw!

[Camelza]

middle schoole e?

katse re sy,twra teleiwnw to lykeio kai eimai 18 ara perysi eimoun B kai eixame 2011 meta A kai 2010 to gymansio to teleiwsa to 09 ara prin 3 xronia

gamw ta mathimatika mou gamw!

prin apo 3.... axaxaxaxa theoritikh pas?

fainetai e?

[Camelza]

So many generalizations here. Even after conceding that there are exceptions, you cannot simply say immigrants are like this, Pakistani's do that, Albanians are like this. So some Pakistani's did a bad thing (allegedly). Congratulations. Greeks do to. In fact, have you considered the fact that your perception of immigrants in Greece is so negative only because you want them to be someone to blame?

Immigrants are not the source of Greece's problems. The catastrophic failure of the Greek economy is due to partisan politics and gross mismanagement. And even if you are so desperate to have someone other than the Greeks themselves to blame, what are you going to do about it? Send them all packing? The way things are going in Greece they will soon by choice be leaving by en masse anyway.

This is all that fascism is, shouting and marching, making a big noise and not offering a rational solution.

I actually stood for Immigrants in this discussion you must be directing this to someone else.

[Camelza]

fainetai e?

katholou
Εγω παλι γλωσσα/αρχαι/λογοτεχνια τα μισω (ειρωνια;) αλλα ιστορια ειμαι ο καλυτερος απο την 3η δημοτικου

Εγώ παλι είμαι καλός έκθεση και ίστορία,στ'αλλα είμαι απλά μέτριος,15-16 το πολύ. ...Λατινικά είναι άλλη φάση.

[Camelza]

What I've learned from this thread: The rise of fascism in Europe is really just one Greek party that Melas likes and probably nothing else. Oh noes, Western democracy is doomed!

[Camelza]

pou ta vriskeis re malaka ki auto me to HIMYM htan gamato (an ki de 8umamai to epeisodeio)

pata 'reaction gif' stis eikones tou google kai tha petyxeis mpolika

[Camelza]

Thats what traitours like tsipras want to do,make them legal so more come and fuck more our nation I hate this communist propaganda

You're the traitor to human liberation as far as I can see. You want to f**k humanity.

At least that proves Tsipras is a good guy since extreme right-wingers hate him.

[Camelza]

If the greek people want Golden Dawn the goverment has no right to ban it

Dear God, only that percentage of Greeks wants it. What it was, about 10% or 12%?

They actually only got 6,5% in the elections.

[Camelza]

They actually only got 6,5% in the elections.

thats more than 500.000 people in a nation of 10.000.000

we're actually 11'000'000 and nearly 12'000'000 if you count the legal immigrant families living between us.

Dear God, only that percentage of Greeks wants it. What it was, about 10% or 12%?

Still it has public support,very democratic to ban a legal political party huh?

Exactly,your party isn't banned because of democrasy,the same democrasy you want to destroy,ironic isn't it?