Fascist rise in europe

[Nazis in Space]

And I don't fear Fascism that much. It's not in the Netherlands as prominently as wacko Neo-Nazism is in Germany, thankfully.

Right-wing populism in the form of (Previously) the LPF, and nowadays the PVV is considerably more successful in the Netherlands than it is in Germany.

Just saying.

[New Finnland]

I personally agree with fascism in Europe for I am a Fascist. Obviously, you can tell from my flag.

[New Rogernomics]

Europe? That is a long way away from me, last I heard Geert Wilders wants to deport most Eastern Europeans and Muslims. I tend to ignore Europe and leave them to their long drawn out historical, cultural, economic and religious feuds; but there is a National Socialist village in Germany now: http://www.spiegel.de/international/ger ... 37471.html

Mounting Concern About Far-Right Influence

Nowhere have they succeeded as well as in Jamel. If the right-wing extremists left, the village would be empty. Jamel is no longer just a problem at the regional or federal state level -- even Berlin is growing concerned about the situation.

SPD member Wolfgang Thierse, vice president of Germany's federal parliament, the Bundestag, visited the village a few months ago. He spent half an hour in the Lohmeyers' living room and promised to support them in their fight against the neo-Nazis. So far, nothing has changed. Jamel has come to symbolize the fact that there are places in Germany where right-wing extremists can do virtually whatever they want.

When the Lohmeyers moved here in 2004, they started to fix up their country house and to make contact with the neighbors -- although not with the neo-Nazi Krüger. They were sure right-wing extremists wouldn't be the only people in Jamel.

Only gradually did they realize just where they had ended up. Plaster crumbled from many of the houses in the village and one roof had collapsed completely. Beer bottles, car tires and gas canisters were littered behind the bus stop. There were metal fences surrounding some properties and attack dogs strained against their chains in the front yards. No one bothered to remove the swastika scribbled on the sign at the entrance to the village.

[North Calaveras]

When things get difficult people like to externalise the blame, so they pick some group like foreigners or Jews or the US. Fascists are the parasites who capitalise on that to gain power. They don't actually provide a solution that works, they just say they have one, and hang on to power for as long as they can before people realise it is all a con job. A fascist regime merely prolongs the suffering until they can be removed and a real solution found.

Idk

It's widley accepted that Hitler and the NAZI party did fix the German economy

Fascism for some reason has a good track record at this

(though i despise nazism, not fascism as a whole)

[North Calaveras]

Idk

It's widley accepted that Hitler and the NAZI party did fix the German economy

it's also widely accepted that Hitler's policies were nothing more than a quick fix, and had World War 2 not started, then the German economy would've collapsed.

except that never happened so it's just talk.

[North Calaveras]

The age of Fascism is over. It ended over 60 years ago. I doubt there is going to be a second one anytime soon

I think it will return, just under a different more friendly name

to be honest that's a lot of what i think at times "proggressive" is, just a cover.

idk anymore though...shits cray

[North Calaveras]

Too bad people still believe fascism=nazi.. just see the difference in the ideologies of Hitler and Musollini.

exactly, it's ridiculous

Fascism/=/Nazism

Nazism is merely a sub-group of fascism, fascism itself has nothing to do with that.

[North Calaveras]

Fascists tend to claim that they have all the 'answers' when the economy has crumbled and the people are unsatisfied. However, when they do come to power, they tend to be racist, militarist and xenophobic. For real examples, see the National Socialists of Nazi Germany and the Fascist party of the Mussolini Italy. For fictitious examples, see the Norsefire party from V For Vendetta.

My own personal thoughts? Fascism is one of the most stupid ideologies ever created, in my personal opinion. Please correct me, but at least communism and capitalism offer some sort of an utopian ideal to work and strive for, while all fascism offers is...a superior race, fighting and killing and conquering, eventually ruling the world or a specific area with a single, master race.

Fascism dosn't say anything about a master race or even a superior race

Nazism does however

[North Calaveras]

I do believe in militarism, so in that case im fine with it.

Militarism is pretty vague at times as well, but it's not like rascism in terms of "being bad"

many nations resort to militarism, even leftist states when it suits them( France sure loved to jump on helping bomb libya

[North Calaveras]

I do believe in militarism, so in that case im fine with it.

Militarism is pretty vague at times as well, but it's not like rascism in terms of "being bad"

many nations resort to militarism, even leftist states when it suits them( France sure loved to jump on helping bomb libya

Militarism is not declaring war for your national aims. Militarism is actively working your country towards warfare, i.e Nazi Germany or Mussolini's Italy.

so that's not always a bad thing

"working towards warefare" dosn't mean " bomb the fuck out of everybody"

it could simply mean modernizing a military, building up the military or in fact as you said fighting war, but war isn't always a bad thing, it depends on context.

[North Calaveras]

so that's not always a bad thing

"working towards warefare" dosn't mean " bomb the fuck out of everybody"

it could simply mean modernizing a military, building up the military or in fact as you said fighting war, but war isn't always a bad thing, it depends on context.

And how do you intend to sustain the immense military you've built up without either taxing the shit out of your people...or using it?

idk im not an expert, but you could use it for pressuring other country's to do what you want them to do, influencing them.

the US does it all the time and we have had great success with it, our carriers are a great example of using our military to greatly influence a region.

[North Calaveras]

so that's not always a bad thing

"working towards warefare" dosn't mean " bomb the fuck out of everybody"

it could simply mean modernizing a military, building up the military or in fact as you said fighting war, but war isn't always a bad thing, it depends on context.

And how do you intend to sustain the immense military you've built up?

Also, tell me the justifications you have for war.

justifications for war? well that entirley depends on the situation then dosn't it?

[North Calaveras]

idk im not an expert, but you could use it for pressuring other country's to do what you want them to do, influencing them.

the US does it all the time and we have had great success with it, our carriers are a great example of using our military to greatly influence a region.

So it's okay to tread on other nations' national sovereignty because you can? If you believe that, sir, then you need to think about some things, in my opinion.

EDIT: Edited my own quoted part to update it to the post's current form to avoid confusion.

Exactly because we can, any nation in there right mind does this, especially a super power.

I know you probably think of it as " mean and aggressive" I don't at all.

[North Calaveras]

Idk

It's widley accepted that Hitler and the NAZI party did fix the German economy

Fascism for some reason has a good track record at this

(though i despise nazism, not fascism as a whole)

It fixed the German economy the same way WWII fixed the American economy.

IOW, it did not. GDP was artificially inflated by government spending on the military. Most people, did not benefit from this.

Building tanks, rockets, bombs, fighter jets, does not improve the general population's well being. In fact, it lowers the typical person's standard of living by diverting resources from sectors that would benefit those people, into the military industrial complex.

idk, the US got a lot more powerful after WW2, in fact becoming a super power(or at least the modern interpretation of it) and we were extremely militaristic during and after the war.

[North Calaveras]

idk, the US got a lot more powerful after WW2, in fact becoming a super power(or at least the modern interpretation of it) and we were extremely militaristic during and after the war.

And?

It's caused countless trillions of dollars of waste. It did not improve the lives of the overwhelming majority of Americans. It made their lives worse.

Really, last time i heard we became a global powerhouse with one of the strongest economies of the world with the only enemy being the Soviet Union

we crafted those around us to our ideology to great effect(especially with japan)

no i don't accept it did not improve, everything points to it improving the lives of Americans.

[North Calaveras]

Really, last time i heard we became a global powerhouse with one of the strongest economies of the world with the only enemy being the Soviet Union

we crafted those around us to our ideology to great effect(especially with japan)

no i don't accept it did not improve, everything points to it improving the lives of Americans.

The United States became the world's leading economy in the 1880s. World War II occured sixty years after this fact.

Suggesting that American prosperity is the result of World War II is roughly as sensible as stating that the atomic bomb started the industrial revolution. Which is to say, it's fucking retarded.

I'm talking about the modern sense of a super power.

I know we were a "power" during that time as well.

[North Calaveras]

alright now im just getting dowsed in circle jerk cum

were not going to agree so im done here

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Which has outlived its usefulness and must be put out to pasture. Nowadays it just fuels resentments, alienation and small-mindedness.



Learn the difference between Stalinism and communism.

Learn the difference bewteen nationalism and nazism

Learn why a party whose members use the Nazi salute, whose founder is a racist as well as a nationalist, whose members praise Hitler and Nazi Germany and one of whose MPs was a bassist for the racist and overtly Nazi band "Pogrom" are Nazis, not merely nationalists, which would be bad enough in itself.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Fixed it for you.And if you think that it is just a flag... I cant even comment on that

Correct. It's just a flag. Unless you'd like to tell me about how it clearly embodies all Greek people and how burning it is like murdering Greek people, obvs.

Also, what's your thoughts on the fact that Golden Dawn are clearly Nazis and not nationalists, as my lovely linkies prove?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

When people are unhappy with there government they look to the only people who sound like they can due something about it. So far the fascist are the ones who sound like they know what to do just like in the 30's.

Since when did "THROW OUT ALL ZHE IMIGRANTS", "MINE ZHE BORDER VIZH TURKEY" and "TAKE BACK ISTANBUL UND IZMIR" become useful suggestions for solving a financial crisis?

I dont blam them honestly.

I do.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Learn why a party whose members use the Nazi salute, whose founder is a racist as well as a nationalist, whose members praise Hitler and Nazi Germany and one of whose MPs was a bassist for the racist and overtly Nazi band "Pogrom" are Nazis, not merely nationalists, which would be bad enough in itself.

1)Ancient greek salute

Source.

2)I also vow for that

Despite the fact that Greece invading Turkey would be downright suicidal, what with both being NATO members and Turkey, as the victim, getting NATO support?

3)Do you even understand what the artcile sais?

I understand that this:

Στο περιοδικό της ιδεολογικής τους καθοδήγησης αναφέρονται και οι βασικοί στόχοι τους, που δεν έχουν ουσιαστικά καμιά σχέση όχι με τον πατριωτισμό αλλά ούτε καν με τον εθνικισμό και τη δημοκρατία που επικαλούνται. «« Η δημοκρατία είναι και αυτή από τις μεγαλύτερες απάτες του συστήματα. Χρησιμοποιώντας μια λέξη από την Αρχαία μας ιστορία ισχυρίζεται πως με την τυραννία των κομμάτων οι πολίτες απολαμβάνουν την ελευθερία. Αυτό είναι ένα μεγάλο ψέμα. Τα κόμματα δεν είναι τίποτα άλλο από όργανα της κεφαλαιοκρατίας, που με ψεύτικα συνθήματα και απατηλές υποσχέσεις εξαπατούν και παρασύρουν τον Λαό». ( Περιοδικό Χρυσή ΑΥΓΗ)

translates roughly as this:

"" Democracy is also of the greatest deceptions of systems. Using a word from our ancient history argues that the tyranny of the party that citizens enjoy freedom. This is a big lie. The parties are nothing more than instruments of capitalism, who by false slogans and false promises deceive and mislead the people '. (Magazine Golden Dawn) Secondly there are only two or three of the covers praising Nazi criminals but much more like the neo-Nazi literature is rich. hear in large broadcast channel to refuse the head of the Golden Dawn salute Hitler. "This charm of swastikas, The splendor of red and black flags are alive today ... Price and the National Socialist our task scream full of passion, faith in the future and in our visions: HAIL HITLER! (Golden Dawn No. 13).

4)k his songs clearly state his anti-jewish/nazi stands and I have already said lots of golden members are nazis which is natural and not a suprise,I couldnt care less they still share the nationalist ideals I do.

But they're also genocidal maniacs. I'd question why it is that you're comfortable working with people who desire the extermination of all Jews and glorify the last major attempt.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Are you dense or something? If Greeks can't find a job, THROWING OUT IMMIGRANTS WON'T HELP. THROWING OUT IMMIGRANTS WILL RUIN THE ECONOM FURTHER.

Unemployment can't be reduced by explusions and genocide.

throwing out people /=/ genocide

No, but it is ethnic cleansing.

Sorry, missed the Hitler bit of the article I mentioned earlier. Here it is.

"Δεύτερον δεν είναι μόνο δυο ή τρία τα εξώφυλλα που υμνούν τους Ναζί εγκληματίες αλλά πολύ περισσότερα, όπως και η αρθρογραφία νεοναζί είναι πλούσια.

Άκουσα σε εκπομπή μεγάλου καναλιού να αρνείται ο επικεφαλής της Χρυσής Αυγής τον χαιρετισμό του Χίτλερ.

«Η γοητεία του Αγκυλωτού Σταυρού, Το μεγαλείο της Μαυροκόκκινης Σημαίας είναι ζωντανό, σήμερα… Τιμή και το Εθνικοσοσιαλιστικό μας καθήκον κραυγάζουμε γεμάτοι πάθος, πίστη στο μέλλον και στα οράματα μας : HAIL HITLER! (Χρυσή Αυγή τεύχος 13)."

" Secondly there are only two or three of the covers praising Nazi criminals but much more like the neo-Nazi literature is rich. hear in large broadcast channel to refuse the head of the Golden Dawn salute Hitler. "This charm of swastikas, The splendor of red and black flags are alive today ... Price and the National Socialist our task scream full of passion, faith in the future and in our visions: HAIL HITLER! (Golden Dawn No. 13).

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

I just used invasion as a term I didnt say its an act of war,god

Invasion is an act of war. You don't want to be called out for saying something ridiculous? Don't say ridiculous things.

Bit late for that in a thread about the rise of fascism against EBIL MUZLAMIKS AND FOREIGNERS, isn't it?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

The EU fucked up worse by letting Greece into the euro despite being blatantly not ready for it.

I suppose that's true, yes. But didn't the Greeks cover up a lot of their problems to get in?

It would appear so.

"A study by forensic accountants has found that data submitted by Greece to Eurostat had a statistical distribution indicative of manipulation."

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

So I would suppose no one is really absolved from the blame, then.

If we managed to fool the EU I believe we need to the world to approve of how badass we are,too bad all this shit benifited the EU and ruined greece

Yes. Because doctoring accounts to make your shitty, shitty economy look less awful, and then as a consequence of joining the Euro having your economy made even worse, is "badass".

No. The people are rightfully given no choice here: they would vote for their worst instincts, or eat up populist rubbish in too large numbers. Things like this can't be put up to a referendum. Otherwise you get spectacles like the California Supreme Court being forced to slap the entire electorate in the face for being stupid and throw Prop. 8 in the rubbish.

So you believe people should only be given a choice of how they want to live as long as it conforms to your world view? Who gets to decide what instincts are the worst?

Why general rule is that instincts which involve persecuting other people are worse than instincts which don't involve persecuting other people.